Boron: The secret to getting more flowers

[Guest]

Most reasonably complete ferts contain boron....

The standard rate .02%

Even miracle grow has broron....

Borax has been around for decades...

Some plant species use micronutes in diffent amounts...


I suspect that boron would in fact inprove plants where a deficiency but since there is a lack of information on the internet its unlikely you will see a big change imo....

Especially if they are over applied like...

1 tsp per gallon.....

 

[kokua]

ok.......whatever man. I'm trying to help you out here. People don't want to be told what works...they want to be shown what works. You talk an awful lot for someone who shows....NOTHING. Tell you what, I 'll continue to update with pics of real plants with real time results...you can just keep regurgitating what you read in the old text books...sound good?


It has only been 8 days, so I won't say difinitively yet...but I can see with my naked eyes that the borax plant is in last place by far...even the burnt biomin plant is slightly fatter. The budswell looks to be in the lead, with the PK 13-14 close behind. The two boron treated plants are visibly smaller than the phosphorus treated plants are...go figure .

I'll update again in a week...you be the judges.

 

[Guest]

I thought from the pics that the budswell plant looked a wee bit fatter myself. GET IN MY BELLY!!!

K+ to both sproutco and kokua!

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

I thought the Borax plant has a clean fresh smell!

sorry,, our regular comedian is on vacation.


I tend to think a well ballanced lifestyle is best - sun and dark, water and dry; and not too much or too little of the rest.

I apreciate the efforts of kokua and sproutco. Teachers, explorers and leaders - with a sense of humor.

If indeed they find the secret to magic 3 times growth - I'll market it and we will party our butts off in the A'dam.

My secret weapon is bubble hash water - that one will be a little harder to market.

Shine on all.

 

[kokua]

Right on CJTK…I really should lay off of sproutco…he does give sound advice, most of the time. Is boron the secret to more flowering? I’ll tell you what I think, but you really should just wait and decide for yourselves.


*warning* IF YOU WANT TO DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, SKIP TO NEXT POST *warning*

Sproutco, I promise on my gardens well being that all of these tests were performed as stated and nothing has been altered in any way. No preferences were made when selecting which plants got what, I actually had my gf pick them for me so it would be completely blind and as random as possible. I am an honest grower looking for honest results and I have honest friends at IC who can back that up! That being said, I plan to prove in the next few weeks that boron is not the secret to more flowering, like you want the everyone to believe. Boron might be the secret to more flowers for field grown crops in boron depleted fields, or in boron sensitive fruit tree crops, but boron is not beneficial (in increased amounts as suggested by sproutco in his introduction) to indoor cannabis that is already being fed high quality fertilizers.

If you would like to show otherwise…I would love to see pics.

 

[kokua]

SW..why do you think its called budswell? It brings out fantastic flavors too

ps...sorry if I have

ya.

 

[Guest]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kokua again.

 

[sproutco]

It has only been 8 days, so I won't say difinitively yet...but I can see with my naked eyes that the borax plant is in last place by far...even the burnt biomin plant is slightly fatter. The budswell looks to be in the lead, with the PK 13-14 close behind. The two boron treated plants are visibly smaller than the phosphorus treated plants are...go figure .

I'll update again in a week...you be the judges.

The boron suppliment was intended to be just that. A suppliment. Don't expect 1 dose of boron to make extra flowers without the rest of elements like npk. The boron dosed plant should also receive regular ferts.

 

[kokua]

The boron suppliment was intended to be just that. A suppliment. Don't expect 1 dose of boron to make extra flowers without the rest of elements like npk. The boron dosed plant should also receive regular ferts.

what? then what is this whole friggin thread about then sproutco? Why start a tread telling people to dose their plants with borax if you don't expect the 1 dose you recommend to do what you say it does...
I stated that before and after the boron treatment the tester plants were to go right back on their regularly scheduled omri listed diets...so npk is not an issue with me my man .

 

[Ganja_Dragon]

what? then what is this whole friggin thread about then sproutco? Why start a tread telling people to dose their plants with borax if you don't expect the 1 dose you recommend to do what you say it does...
I stated that before and after the boron treatment the tester plants were to go right back on their regularly scheduled omri listed diets...so npk is not an issue with me my man .

I think what sproutco is trying to say is that Boron is not a miracle, and that the standard nutrient solution (macros NPK, for example) should not be compromised despite the presence of the additional boron.

From what I can tell, Sproutco is suggesting that the one dose of additional boron can boost cola size by further stimulating the growing tips. Obviously, there will need to be a legitimate experiment with a boron-enhanced test subject/group and a normal fert control subject/group all taken from the same mother to confirm this. I don't have the resources to do so yet, otherwise I would check it out, myself.

 

[sproutco]

 

[kokua]

. Obviously, there will need to be a legitimate experiment with a boron-enhanced test subject/group and a normal fert control subject/group all taken from the same mother to confirm this. I don't have the resources to do so yet, otherwise I would check it out, myself.

what exactly do you think I am doing here???

I think what sproutco is trying to say is that Boron is not a miracle, and that the standard nutrient solution (macros NPK, for example) should not be compromised despite the presence of the additional boron.

and I have said it twice already in this thread, but I will state it again...after the boron treatment, all plants went right back to their regularly scheduled omri listed diets...NPK has not been compromised in any way.

sproutco was claiming more flowers with a one time boron application...that is what I am testing. No one has proclaimed budswell or pk 13-14 to be 'miracles', but they do what they are designed to do...which is increase flowering.

 

[Ganja_Dragon]

what exactly do you think I am doing here???



and I have said it twice already in this thread, but I will state it again...after the boron treatment, all plants went right back to their regularly scheduled omri listed diets...NPK has not been compromised in any way.

sproutco was claiming more flowers with a one time boron application...that is what I am testing. No one has proclaimed budswell or pk 13-14 to be 'miracles', but they do what they are designed to do...which is increase flowering.

Quite frankly, it just looks like you're here to make noise. You spout all the rot in the world about how Sproutco isn't showing pics when you're doing the exact same thing.

Kokua, I am very sorry to be the one to break it to you like this, but your experiment is inherently flawed because you are not feeding them ALL the same nutrient solution. The control group is supposed to be fed the EXACT same nutrients as the experiment groups, EXCEPT the point being tested. It is a distinctly unfair comparison because of discrepancy in nutrient supply.

If you're going to increase the phosphorus feed of the alleged "control" group, you can't expect the same performance from a test group that isn't receiving the same or at least similar treatment. If you were trying to prove that increasing P content is more outright effective than adding the boron, you succeeded in that, but you did nothing to disprove Sproutco's statement.

Obviously, the phosphorous-treated plants are leading, because phosphorus is a macronutrient that supports pretty much the entire development of the plant from roots to blossoms, which is exactly why bloom formulas have such a high Phosphorus content.

Besides, there is only so much P you can add before you start reaching toxic levels, so you will eventually have to resort to augmenting the solution with something else. This is what I think Sproutco is trying to help fellow ICMag readers with.

 

[kokua]

Quite frankly, it just looks like you're here to make noise. You spout all the rot in the world about how Sproutco isn't showing pics when you're doing the exact same thing.

Kokua, I am very sorry to be the one to break it to you like this, but your experiment is inherently flawed because you are not feeding them ALL the same nutrient solution. The control group is supposed to be fed the EXACT same nutrients as the experiment groups, EXCEPT the point being tested. It is a distinctly unfair comparison because of discrepancy in nutrient supply.

If you're going to increase the phosphorus feed of the alleged "control" group, you can't expect the same performance from a test group that isn't receiving the same or at least similar treatment. If you were trying to prove that increasing P content is more outright effective than adding the boron, you succeeded in that, but you did nothing to disprove Sproutco's statement.

Obviously, the phosphorous-treated plants are leading, because phosphorus is a macronutrient that supports pretty much the entire development of the plant from roots to blossoms, which is exactly why bloom formulas have such a high Phosphorus content.

Besides, there is only so much P you can add before you start reaching toxic levels, so you will eventually have to resort to augmenting the solution with something else. This is what I think Sproutco is trying to help fellow ICMag readers with.

oye...fuck this nonsense.

whats really annoying is ALL the people that are brave enough to send me a pm or positive rep for keeping up with sproutco's crap...but are too scared to say anything in my defense publicly...that is some bs. You wouldn't believe the list of folks that are in my inbox and rep...they can take over from here . I will post pics and nothing else from here out, ya'll are off the hook...I promise People get the point...One of us is full of shit, anyone still reading this mess can decide for themselves which one they want to believe. no worries :friends:

At least we all have one thing in common...we love this plant nothing else really matters much does it?

 

[Ganja_Dragon]

oye...fuck this nonsense.

whats really annoying is ALL the people that are brave enough to send me a pm or positive rep for keeping up with sproutco's crap...but are too scared to say anything in my defense publicly...that is some bs. You wouldn't believe the list of folks that are in my inbox and rep...they can take over from here . I will post pics and nothing else from here out, ya'll are off the hook...I promise People get the point...One of us is full of shit, anyone still reading this mess can decide for themselves which one they want to believe. no worries :friends:

At least we all have one thing in common...we love this plant nothing else really matters much does it?

Amen. Bottom line is, we're all here to learn and enjoy the fruits of our labor.

 

[ShroomDr]

A Control with no booster would be a better comparison to a one time B dose, than using P boosters IMHO.

I really appreciate your work Kokua, and i left you rep the first time you stated you were doing the side by sides.

But I would say, the best comparison would be the PK booster with a dose of B, and one without.

This would be better, IMHO, because the added PK would possibly need more B than Mfg supply.

Are the clones all from the same mom?
I assume so.

Since the B did not burn the plants, maybe you could test two of your 4 clones that you treated with the boosters, with B a little later into flowering (im thinking middle of 4th week). See how those compare to the none treated.


I haven't seen a reference to plant size, how big are they?

 

[SouthernSmoker]

Ok from what i can gather by reading this and many other threads on this site is that bold statements are being made in the wording of sproutco"s threads and in statement made in those threads were he has grown thousands of plants and added this and that to them with out any problems.
case in point Boron:The secret to getting more flowers and Plants go bonkers with extra boron . These kinda statements are sending the wrong message to people like me and alot of other new and hobbiest growers in this comunity.

Sproutco no one is trying to call you stupid you have knowledge that would be great for this comunity and a passion for finding this knowledge wich i admire !
I would love to learn as much as possible about all the macro and micro nutrience and how they can help my plants in every way !! Teach us

Tell us how boron can help build bigger flowers
show us if not with a mj plant then something like a tomato plant or a rose

But comming into a mj growers site and making statements that this will do this and this will do that and not having anything to back it up with ???
and tell people that you have grown thousands of plants and nothing to back that up with either ?? makes alot of people to believe that your FULL OF SHIT !!! Growers rule #1 trust no one!!!!!!

ok that said i think Kokua test although not perfect should give us idea of what boron will do to the plants weather burn them or have bigger flowers
I thank him for his efforts and willingness to show us about it

 

[sproutco]

For professional use only!

For professional use only!

1 76 ounce box of borax from the grocery store that costs about $5 will make:
22,700 gallons using the soil drench rate
423,000 gallons using the hydro rate

What a value.

 

[mrwags]

1 76 ounce box of borax from the grocery store that costs about $5 will make:
22,700 gallons using the soil drench rate
423,000 gallons using the hydro rate

What a value.

Now lets just see if it is a well spent 5 bucks? Keep on keeping on Guys and lets see what is does.


Mr.Wags

 

[the cult]

id love to see some more pictures from both of you guys, of your test plants. (and btw what is the secret of budswell compared to ordinary pk?)