Blazeoneup hits the dirt again.

[blazeoneup]

friggin awesome!!!! you really got your technique down!!! master gardener!!!

btw i am sure u said somewhere but how much light did it takes to pull your 3 lbs??

thanks,
AG

Well 2k in lighting, However 1k of the 2k im speaking of was only covering a little bit of the plants I just harvested, There was another crop beside this crop under one of the lights. So kinda like 1k lol....

spectacular! kudos on answering every single question too!

Thanks always good to keep up with the thread/replies!

Lookin' good as always bro!

My invitation and plane ticket to the trimming party must have gotten lost in the mail...

Hmm would have been nice to have an extra hand

 

[AlaskaGrows]

i cant wait too see what i harvest then!! i am growing 9 girls in soil under 1k hps and 1k mh

 

[blazeoneup]

Thats good, You keep up with them and the yields will be satisfying!

 

[NiteTiger]

Hmm would have been nice to have an extra hand

And I have two of them! Think about what a value that'd be - buy one get one free!

 

[esbe]

what a nice thread, love you work blazeoneup!

 

[EasyMyohoDisco]

Thank you so much Blaze for that post! You know I was waiting for it for a couple weeks and I'm very glad you did so well. My run (the late repot) going on right now got partially seeded since I started from seed and had a late male as well as just 1k (gonna put another 600w hps in there this week (another 4-5 weeks left, wonder if they make 600w MH bulbs now?) is doing well and I've been soaking in the information here and motivating myself. Just started another 75 beans last night, its gonna be messy for the next couple months here but hopefully I'll find the mom I'm looking for and get the 2k mixed spectrum rocking over here early winter. I'll keep you posted and thanks so much for you help brother, you've been nothing but an excellent teacher in my humble opinion.

Peace!

 

[D Rock]

Almost 3 pounds! Awesome job!

 

[dj digigrow]

umm... how many watts.., why that mix?,
lol.. j/k... read the thread in full before posting!! everyone.. it should be a rule..

anyways.. much Respect to you blaze... I've been following (and learning) for years... Inspirational is all I can say. first DWC now soil.. versitile my man.. will be running this setup asap.
now for the Q's:
1. How far do you keep your lights while on the movers?
2. almost 3lbs.. Is there anything you would do different to increase yeild, if possible?

3. How are you controling your Co2, and what ppm do you run?

thanks again...
p.s. the wife even loved the progressive pictures...

 

[KillerWeed]

EasyMyohoDisco,
There are all kinds of wierd ass wattages for MH lights, one that i have seen is a 750W pulse start, but you may have a hard time getting bulbs and ballasts even as it is rather uncommon. Your local electrical distributor may have to order the components in.

Check out Advance Transformers catalog on page 30.

KillerWeed

 

[In Vino Veritas]

Morning Blaze,

Do you have any diagrams or "open" pictures of your power/timer set up? I need a guide, I need to run power up stairs..enough for a 1000 for now but eventually 2000 and probably an ac - or a lot of fans. Are all four of those outlets controlled via the T104?

What size are the bags of MiracleGro and ProMix? Wondering if there is a substitute to dolomite, never in all my years has that been available around me. I'll probably be feeding with a mild FloraNova bloom w/ Epsom tea.. Haven't done soil in many moons sort of seems like the best solution for my current needs..

 

[KillerWeed]

In Vino Veritas,
If you want to run multiple 1000 watt lights, you will need to do some considering before you run any wires. Each 1000W light pulls 10A on a 120V line (with 20% spare for voltage drop etc.) Most household circuits are 120V x 15A lines running on 14ga wire. This means that you can only run one 1000W light per line/breaker combination. If you truely want to plan for multiple 1000W lights and an air-conditioner you should either run one line/breaker combo for each proposed light to your future grow space, or better yet run a fatter (3 conductor + ground) 10ga line at 220V x 30A (x2) to a sub panel in the room. That way you can run up to 6000 Watts concurrently if necessary. Supposedly there is an excellent howto book at Home Depot called wiring 123. I can not vouch for this book, but if it talks about sub-panels it should have all of the other information needed to wire up the grow space.

For running your lights on timers, there are a few options, but probably the safest would be to use a high quality relay. kryptonite recommends diehl timers, but you can probably use intermatic brand timers available at Home Depot and Lowes (I think). Depending on how you will arrange your lights and grow space, you will need to match your light load to the timer specs and may need multiple timers.

The bags are mentioned on page 5 of the thread and hydrated lime can be substituted for dolomite if you supplement with epsom salt.

KillerWeed

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

ok blazeonup,

i see you are don your thang, and i do hope to get to that point, wish i woulda seen your soil mix b4 i saw the moonshineman mix, but hey there is always next time right? lol

heres my question:

on page 6-post #89, that last pic. . . i notice that on that cut i see female flowering going on. i want to know at what point did you take that cut? was it before or after the 12/12 flip? or are those preflowers that showed at a certain time indicative of the time that they were ready to put into flower. do YOU think a person can take a clone atleast a little into flower? honeslty it is too late now, and these damned sativas take too friggin long, so it will be a good damned while b4 i grow these again, but i want to know for next time. holler back please!!!

my problem: i just took some clones of my own from some SSH i have going, b4 i flipped 12/12, and i didnt mark them as to what pot/plant they came from. once i flipped 12/12 i found two out of the four to be males. so i have a crapload of unmarked clones that i really dont want to waste time and flower out in bigger pots only to find that they are like their fathers.

 

[blazeoneup]

And I have two of them! Think about what a value that'd be - buy one get one free!

Yeah well talk is cheap eh Catch you latenite tiger!

what a nice thread, love you work blazeoneup!

Thanks for the kind words!

Thank you so much Blaze for that post! You know I was waiting for it for a couple weeks and I'm very glad you did so well. My run (the late repot) going on right now got partially seeded since I started from seed and had a late male as well as just 1k (gonna put another 600w hps in there this week (another 4-5 weeks left, wonder if they make 600w MH bulbs now?) is doing well and I've been soaking in the information here and motivating myself. Just started another 75 beans last night, its gonna be messy for the next couple months here but hopefully I'll find the mom I'm looking for and get the 2k mixed spectrum rocking over here early winter. I'll keep you posted and thanks so much for you help brother, you've been nothing but an excellent teacher in my humble opinion.

Peace!

Thank you for the nice compliments and kind words, I am not sure about 600 watt mh lights I havent seen any myself!

Almost 3 pounds! Awesome job!

Wasnt bad eh!

umm... how many watts.., why that mix?,
lol.. j/k... read the thread in full before posting!! everyone.. it should be a rule..

anyways.. much Respect to you blaze... I've been following (and learning) for years... Inspirational is all I can say. first DWC now soil.. versitile my man.. will be running this setup asap.
now for the Q's:
1. How far do you keep your lights while on the movers?
2. almost 3lbs.. Is there anything you would do different to increase yeild, if possible?

3. How are you controling your Co2, and what ppm do you run?

thanks again...
p.s. the wife even loved the progressive pictures...

1.Thanks for the kind words. I keep the lights pretty high depends on how big the plants are on how close the lights are to the canopy. I would say they stay around 30" off the tops of the smaller plants and 18" off the tops of the largest plants.

2. I would keep up on the watering better was late a couple times. Other than that I will make any needed changes which from the way its going not to much needs changed!

3. Co2 is controlled using timed injections, Its set to kick on once every 75 minutes for 15 minutes!

EasyMyohoDisco,
There are all kinds of wierd ass wattages for MH lights, one that i have seen is a 750W pulse start, but you may have a hard time getting bulbs and ballasts even as it is rather uncommon. Your local electrical distributor may have to order the components in.

Check out Advance Transformers catalog on page 30.

KillerWeed

Agreed very hard to find almost not worthwhile...

Morning Blaze,

Do you have any diagrams or "open" pictures of your power/timer set up? I need a guide, I need to run power up stairs..enough for a 1000 for now but eventually 2000 and probably an ac - or a lot of fans. Are all four of those outlets controlled via the T104?

What size are the bags of MiracleGro and ProMix? Wondering if there is a substitute to dolomite, never in all my years has that been available around me. I'll probably be feeding with a mild FloraNova bloom w/ Epsom tea.. Haven't done soil in many moons sort of seems like the best solution for my current needs..

I dont actually have any good pictures of it really, However its basic wiring, It works like this I have a 40 amp double pole breaker installed to the main. I ran 10 gauge wire from the 40 amp breaker on the main panel to the 40amp 120v intermatic timer board outside the growroom, I ran another 10 gauge wire from the timer to a junction box, From the junction box I wired up 2 outlets using 12 gauge wiring, Each with its own line ran from the outlet to the junction. I run 1 1k light on each outlet and on one of the outlets I also run a co2 regulator. For the AC + Dehumidifier I installed a 20 amp breaker at the main and ran a line over using 12 gauge and hooked it up to an outlet for the ac and dehumidifier. Then installed another 20 amp outlet using 12 gauge for the 2 light movers the air purifier plus the fan! Thats how the electrical was done.

I have heard good things about the home depot 123 wiring book though I cannot speak from personal experience never used it either. Killerweed pretty much answered the other questions in his post. V V

In Vino Veritas,
If you want to run multiple 1000 watt lights, you will need to do some considering before you run any wires. Each 1000W light pulls 10A on a 120V line (with 20% spare for voltage drop etc.) Most household circuits are 120V x 15A lines running on 14ga wire. This means that you can only run one 1000W light per line/breaker combination. If you truely want to plan for multiple 1000W lights and an air-conditioner you should either run one line/breaker combo for each proposed light to your future grow space, or better yet run a fatter (3 conductor + ground) 10ga line at 220V x 30A (x2) to a sub panel in the room. That way you can run up to 6000 Watts concurrently if necessary. Supposedly there is an excellent howto book at Home Depot called wiring 123. I can not vouch for this book, but if it talks about sub-panels it should have all of the other information needed to wire up the grow space.

For running your lights on timers, there are a few options, but probably the safest would be to use a high quality relay. kryptonite recommends diehl timers, but you can probably use intermatic brand timers available at Home Depot and Lowes (I think). Depending on how you will arrange your lights and grow space, you will need to match your light load to the timer specs and may need multiple timers.

The bags are mentioned on page 5 of the thread and hydrated lime can be substituted for dolomite if you supplement with epsom salt.

KillerWeed

Good post!

ok blazeonup,

i see you are don your thang, and i do hope to get to that point, wish i woulda seen your soil mix b4 i saw the moonshineman mix, but hey there is always next time right? lol

heres my question:

on page 6-post #89, that last pic. . . i notice that on that cut i see female flowering going on. i want to know at what point did you take that cut? was it before or after the 12/12 flip? or are those preflowers that showed at a certain time indicative of the time that they were ready to put into flower. do YOU think a person can take a clone atleast a little into flower? honeslty it is too late now, and these damned sativas take too friggin long, so it will be a good damned while b4 i grow these again, but i want to know for next time. holler back please!!!

my problem: i just took some clones of my own from some SSH i have going, b4 i flipped 12/12, and i didnt mark them as to what pot/plant they came from. once i flipped 12/12 i found two out of the four to be males. so i have a crapload of unmarked clones that i really dont want to waste time and flower out in bigger pots only to find that they are like their fathers.

What you seen going on in the pics mentioned, Was do to an accidental spill of a clone dome. They got spilled during transportation to the grow and several strains got mixed up, So I had to pre flower them to smell them and lable to know what was what before vegging. That way I could take clones off them once they got vegging and I would know what I had. So they were flowered from rooted clones to identify genetics before reverting back to veg!

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

DAMN! that was pretty fast!!! thanks brutha, really appreciate the help on that q. i guess i cant help it now, but it helps for the future.

thanks once again.

 

[KillerWeed]

FRANKENBLUNT420,
you can take clones in flowering, but expect to see very long rooting times. If you check out my thread in the infirmary, you can see a cutting taken from an outside mother that was about a month into flowering. Buds from the lower part of the plant will be slightly easier to clone in flowering than upper buds. Instead, You may want to consider re-vegging the mother plant that you were planning on cloning once you have harvested.

As for the un-marked clones, they mature at the same rate at their mother/father. depending on your veg time, you will probably be able to sex them from pre-flowers prior to 12/12. Unfortunately, you will have to determine the strain from phenotypical traits such as leaf formation, smell (as Blazeoneup had to do), morphology, color, etc. Good luck.

KillerWeed

***edited to include info on un-marked clones***

 

[In Vino Veritas]

In Vino Veritas,
If you want to run multiple 1000 watt lights, you will need to do some considering before you run any wires. Each 1000W light pulls 10A on a 120V line (with 20% spare for voltage drop etc.) Most household circuits are 120V x 15A lines running on 14ga wire. This means that you can only run one 1000W light per line/breaker combination. If you truely want to plan for multiple 1000W lights and an air-conditioner you should either run one line/breaker combo for each proposed light to your future grow space, or better yet run a fatter (3 conductor + ground) 10ga line at 220V x 30A (x2) to a sub panel in the room. That way you can run up to 6000 Watts concurrently if necessary. Supposedly there is an excellent howto book at Home Depot called wiring 123. I can not vouch for this book, but if it talks about sub-panels it should have all of the other information needed to wire up the grow space.

For running your lights on timers, there are a few options, but probably the safest would be to use a high quality relay. kryptonite recommends diehl timers, but you can probably use intermatic brand timers available at Home Depot and Lowes (I think). Depending on how you will arrange your lights and grow space, you will need to match your light load to the timer specs and may need multiple timers.

The bags are mentioned on page 5 of the thread and hydrated lime can be substituted for dolomite if you supplement with epsom salt.

KillerWeed

For what length is that 10g qualified for? When should I consider using 8ga? I own more equipment than I will be running for now, but having a subpanel that would run 4k and an AC on 220 would be an awesome addition to my inventory. Anywhere I go is run a line to the main panel, and I'm fired up. To clarify, 30A (x2) is a 30amp dual pole breaker? I wanted a picture so I can see how it all goes.. I'd like 2 pair of 220V outlets (4x) for my 3 lamps and an a/c. I assume each two outlets would have to be on a breaker due to the amperage? I would also like 2 pair of 120V outlets (4x) for fans, and misc things.. Would this still be ran the same way? I have a space for a dual pole breaker available, and then a space for a two single pole breaker available also. How do I know how much I can put there? I would like to as safe as possible and get a large breaker. By looking at my panel I can tell that I'll need to use 220V breakers for the ballasts-a/c and 120V breakers for the 120V outlets. Found these specs for the t104's...Intermatic T104 208-277Volt 40-amp Timer Switch-Double Pole / Single...so I should be OK with 2x 220v 1000's timed through a t104.

I have a 6" 440CFM can-fan and I was wondering if this would be enough to cool two 1000W hoods set up in-line..Not the cool tube style new hoods, the older offset 4" one.. The room itself would be exhausted with another 440-600cfm fan... Other wise I can only run 1x 1000... Sort of on the fence as to what I should do.

 

[KillerWeed]

For what length is that 10g qualified for? When should I consider using 8ga?

for a 220V x 30 A (x2) sub panel,
10ga wire will have a 2% voltage drop at 61feet,
8ga wire will go just under 100' @ 2% voltage drop.

I own more equipment than I will be running for now, but having a subpanel that would run 4k and an AC on 220 would be an awesome addition to my inventory. Anywhere I go is run a line to the main panel, and I'm fired up. To clarify, 30A (x2) is a 30amp dual pole breaker? I wanted a picture so I can see how it all goes..

Right its the double wide/dual trip kind for saftey. I will see if I can grab a few pics of my main breaker panel and sub panel. It should give you an idea of how I did things.

I'd like 2 pair of 220V outlets (4x) for my 3 lamps and an a/c. I assume each two outlets would have to be on a breaker due to the amperage? I would also like 2 pair of 120V outlets (4x) for fans, and misc things.. Would this still be ran the same way?

What are the ratings on your A/C? In your sub panel you could probably get away with 1 double wide breaker @15A per pole, and a combo breaker 15,15-15,15. Try to balance your loads/ breaker placements such that each phase leg is contributing about equally.

I have a space for a dual pole breaker available, and then a space for a two single pole breaker available also. How do I know how much I can put there? I would like to as safe as possible and get a large breaker. By looking at my panel I can tell that I'll need to use 220V breakers for the ballasts-a/c and 120V breakers for the 120V outlets.

Your best bet is to bring over a single 3 conductor + ground line be it 8 or 10 ga to a sub panel. In your sub-panel you can then obtain 220v or 110v outputs depending on your breaker arrangement. Your sub-panel supply conductor will be sized based on desired subpanel amperage and distance from the main breaker panel. 10ga is good for 30A / conductor, 8ga is good for 40A / conductor, or longer runs at 30A.

Found these specs for the t104's...Intermatic T104 208-277Volt 40-amp Timer Switch-Double Pole / Single...so I should be OK with 2x 220v 1000's timed through a t104.

Yes this sounds right.

I have a 6" 440CFM can-fan and I was wondering if this would be enough to cool two 1000W hoods set up in-line..Not the cool tube style new hoods, the older offset 4" one.. The room itself would be exhausted with another 440-600cfm fan... Other wise I can only run 1x 1000... Sort of on the fence as to what I should do.

Red_Greenery has some charts on ventilation, but a rule of thumb is .5 cfm/W for ventilated hoods + .3 cfm/W for the growspace. It sounds like you will be a little short with your proposed ventilation, but these figures do not take air conditioning into account. Blazeoneup may have more experience with A/C + vented hoods.

KillerWeed

***edited to add link to airflow charts***

 

[In Vino Veritas]

for a 220V x 30 A (x2) sub panel,
10ga wire will have a 2% voltage drop at 61feet,
8ga wire will go just under 100' @ 2% voltage drop.


Right its the double wide/dual trip kind for saftey. I will see if I can grab a few pics of my main breaker panel and sub panel. It should give you an idea of how I did things.


What are the ratings on your A/C? In your sub panel you could probably get away with 1 double wide breaker @15A per pole, and a combo breaker 15,15-15,15. Try to balance your loads/ breaker placements such that each phase leg is contributing about equally.


Your best bet is to bring over a single 3 conductor + ground line be it 8 or 10 ga to a sub panel. In your sub-panel you can then obtain 220v or 110v outputs depending on your breaker arrangement. Your sub-panel supply conductor will be sized based on desired subpanel amperage and distance from the main breaker panel. 10ga is good for 30A / conductor, 8ga is good for 40A / conductor, or longer runs at 30A.


Yes this sounds right.


Red_Greenery has some charts on ventilation, but a rule of thumb is .5 cfm/W for ventilated hoods + .3 cfm/W for the growspace. It sounds like you will be a little short with your proposed ventilation, but these figures do not take air conditioning into account. Blazeoneup may have more experience with A/C + vented hoods.

KillerWeed
http://www.icmag.com/ic/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1263130#

***edited to add link to airflow charts***

The run is about 30'-40', no a/c yet. For now I'll only be able to run one of the 1K's and a 440CFM fan for cooling the light and venting the room. Figure may as well plan/build something out that can handle all my equipment (3k hid, can-fan, fans, pumps, heater, ozone, etc) plus what I'll need to buy (an a/c). Thanks for your time mate, really appreciate you clearing it up for me!

 

[kovenant]

blazeoneup --> wow, i just caught this thread by accident. when i saw the title i had to take a peep... and im so glad i did.

im just about to harvest my first grow - and i used your recirc DWC bucket system. happy with my 1st grow and the ease of your setup.

im very impressed and interested in this soil thread. wow. i think i want to try planting my mother-to-be clones in soil, using your mix and this method... seems easy and hassle-free.

since you go from clone to harvest without any addatives and nutes, i am wondering what the life cycle on your mix is (ie how long i could keep the mothers going on their own without addatives & nutes, before i need to add or replant) thnx!


--edit--
also... you said your mix consists of:

The soil mix consist of 1 bag of mriacle grow organic + 1 bag of pro mix + 1 cup blood meal + 1 cup bone meal + 1/2 cup dolimite lime + 10-20% added chunky perlite.

did you say homedepot had the miracle grow organic & pro mix? the ACE Home Improvement center we have here (which also has a large gardening area/selection) has the blood & bone meal, as well as the dolomite lime... but they do not have the MG organic, pro mix, or the big & chunky perlite. we have an OSH - perhaps they carry it, and ill try calling them when they're open. thnx again mate!

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

ok killerweed, thanks for the reply, that is what will do, i have since repotted the clones from 4oz cups to 16oz party cups,and threw them in with the flowering moms(400hps-12/12). is that a good idea to do while they are in the cups? i figure once i see whos who then i can repot and give the honeys all the space they need.

but i notice that the preflowers are not showing on the pheno i have, with the SSH in veg, it takes a while before you can see anything, cause they gotta grow the fan leaves, then the main stems grow in between the main stem and the fan leaf, so i really have to wait b4 i see any preflowers. is that the same for the SSH strain or did i luck out with the one pheno that doesn't behave right? lol

i used my microscope today but once i saw those little leaves i knew what they were, so i didnt bother lookin anymore and realized i am gonna have to wait b4 i see anything in the realm of preflowering.

maybe someone can answer this one aswell: i bought some liquid budswell and molasses that i want to feed during flower. i have to pH down my water since i didnt add any lime to my mix prior, do i have to bubble the mix as though it were a tea or just mix and water?

(god this is so much work, but its so much damned fun!!!)