Big F-ckin' Problems For Emeryseeds Customers!!

[guineapig]

thanks Niemand and Gypsy......i am more obsequious than sycophantic.....but even i now realize that EMERY'S BUST IS EVERYONE'S BUST.....everyone thinks they are somehow "safe" from persecution and do everything they can to convince themselves that they are "safe" but there is a CANNABIS INQUISITION (or HOLOCAUST if you prefer ME's metaphor) but i prefer "inquisition" because i think there are more historical parallels to the plight of the Jews during the Inquisition.....anyway thanks Niemand for hopefully the last word but ya never know....-gp

 

[Guest]

Who is this everyone you speak of GP? I'm under no illusion of safety and will take what comes down my karmatic path On The Chin. I guess I missed something??
Niemand- Yes Gypsy and Marc talk the same talk but the Actions speak louder. Gypsy has Given away many thousands of seeds and has the fairest prices for the proper seed count. Marc (at the very least) shorted his customers on seed count and had the Highest Prices. How is this conducive to his Overgrow The World mission statement (which says MEs mission is to put as many seeds into as many growers hands as possible)? There are very big differences between Gypsy and Marc. While Marc was busy trying to Slander Gypsys name, devising a plan for anal entry and getting busted Gypsy was selling (and subsequently giving away) seeds. Why is this so hard for some to see?
Is it fair that ME has felt the weight of the USA Leaning on Canada? No. It is an unfair situation that includes an Unfair businessman. As a customer of MEs I was unfairly treated and I stood alone and lost my money. As a customer of Gypsys I have a voice and I grow weed. Why should I just bite my lip and jump behind a man I don't trust? Because he was treated unfairly? Karma.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

i WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT i WAS NOT SAYING IN ANY WAY AT ALL THAT EMERY AND GYPSY NIRVANA ARE THE SAME.... Nor do i think there is anything wrong with gypsy having a jag... My comment was about the fact that people seem to think that any1 who makes money is bad guy.....

 

[Guest]

Why should I just bite my lip and jump behind a man I don't trust? Because he was treated unfairly? Karma.

its not about junpin behind the man. its about staying behind the belief you already have that no person should be punished simply because of possesion or selling.

if he was unfair in his buisseness that is a seperate issue and should be dealt with seperatly. imo


heres a bouple of quotes from larry flint and his lawyer to illistrate my point.

If the law will protect a scumbag like me, it will protect all of you.

and also a fomous quote from his lawyer Alan Isaacman

I'm not trying to convince you to like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what Larry Flynt does.

 

[Guest]

i WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT i WAS NOT SAYING IN ANY WAY AT ALL THAT EMERY AND GYPSY NIRVANA ARE THE SAME.... Nor do i think there is anything wrong with gypsy having a jag... My comment was about the fact that people seem to think that any1 who makes money is bad guy.....

same here

 

[Guest]

I can see your point SM but how you conduct your business is a reflection of who you are. Would you help bail out a weed dealer that ripped you off? Ethics in life and business should not differ.

 

[Guest]

if it could create a change in what the law could prosocute me for i would probably contribute to his legal fund woulnt pay for bail though. kinda akward and fucked up i guess but this is a strange world we live in. then when it was over if the ripoff were still burnin a hole in me i might think about retribution.

 

[Guest]

I don't see any laws changing and I have "contributed" a few hundred to Emery and Thousands to NORML. I don't feel that My money was Well Spent. If it were anyone who had not ripped me off my opinion might be different. We need to get the job Done for those who Need Weed and those who just like it. Skating in the grey areas and taking advantage of fuzzy laws has only hurt us. Since ME is the most seen/heard of our Representatives (lately) I'd say it was time for some Better Representation! We need to get the Big Money out of the picture and maybe the truth will be seen. I spend my Hard Earned money on seeds and growing and I give my weed away.

 

[Guest]

i can see what your sayin but if the extradition fails while it doesnt actually change a law it sets a precident. then canadian seedbanks need not fear the us. it also sets an indirect precidend (thuogh not 100% solid) for the uk which has a similar treaty (as the one bein used against emery now) with the us as canada. wich can only be a good thing imo and i havent nor will i probaly contribute money to emery. i usually donate to the mpp. but what im sayin is we shoulnt cheer for his defeat on these charges from the us.

 

[Guest]

I'm glad to see you keep a level head. Your points are all valid SM. I can see that you are good people. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. My motives are personal but I'm not really cheering for his defeat. I don't think he or is case will have as much impact on the situation as he or others seem to think it/he has or will. He'll buy or bargain his way out. They are making an Example out of him and he has proven (at least to I) to be a fool. It would be unfair to extradite him or anyone for just selling seeds (he is accused of much more and guilty of at least 1 count of Petty Larceny though I have yet to press charges cause I ain't a Punk like that and I handle my own disputes). Take his name out of it and it would seem quite sad. I'm saying he deserves what he gets in Life because he's a shifty egomaniac who took my money and didn't practice what he preached. I'm taking my shot at him. Every chance I get. As a former and disgruntled customer I feel I deserve it. He never put Weed or his Customers as a top priority IMO. He selfishly used both for Fame and Fortune. Simply Tools to Inflate his Ego.

 

[Guest]

I'm glad to see you keep a level head also. Your points are all valid as well & thats the best anti emery post ive read in a long time.your obviously a hell of a guy yourself.

 

[guineapig]

I just meant that on a metaphorical level the bust of one pot smoker or pot grower or seed merchant (even if its Mark Emery) is just another example of the Global Crackdown on the miraculous Cannabis plant. But I see your point WeedWrapperMan that if one regards ME as an unethical seed-forgery F2 artist then he should not be lumped in with "everyone"- his karma is not comparable to your karma and i was not trying to suggest that. You know i respect you in both your words and your actions and i concur with SM that that was a great posting all-aroung.....

see ya in chat!! -the herbal gerbil

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

.....sadly for many we live in a capitalistic world where if you don't have the bus fare in your pocket you can't even take the bus........

Yes I am a canna-businessman.......one of many, and to survive I have to try and turn a profit somewhere to be able to keep the wheels in motion of this quest with a purpose ....To be able to give you have to first have something worthy of giving, and I give seeds.....in that one act I have managed to change the fortunes of many........and I do it regularly on multiple occasions and on a daily basis.....

I have been involved in the cannabis industry in some way, shape or form for the past 28 years, this is my profession and career within an industry in prohibition and I am here to nurture it and help it to flourish and bloom in such a way as I can see progression.....

Fear blights your thought processes and can seriously inhibit what you may want to acheive and so I have no fear of those that might detain, prosecute or persecute me.......

If they want me that bad then its not too hard to find me.....I cannot fight them with bullets nor bombs............but I can overgrow them and keep this plant alive in thousands of homes and gardens by supplying the seeds that grows the weed for those that either need or want it, and if I fall foul of their draconian laws and am accused and charged with a victimless crime once again I can at least look out from that cell with the solace in knowing that hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people will be growing and enjoying fine erb' due to my intervention....

Others may go about their quest in a different fashion......I am not and have never been in competition with these people......simply.....they have their way of doing things, and I have mine for better or worse......

 

[James-Bong]

I think Ive said this before.... Your either With the Cause or your not.

It's one or the Other.....Anyone with the Cause Knows that: NOBODY, For ANY reason should ever be Harrased with Unjust MJ laws.

No matter how shady you are or how many people don't like you for whatever Reason, you should never have to be persecuted for growing a God givin Natural plant or Giving that Gift to others. Just my 2 cents.....

 

[Guest]

...spout pure drivel bullshit...

ANYBODY who knows Marc Emery

KNOWS that BACKING DOWN is NOT in his nature.....ESPECIALLY right now when he compares himself to the sacred few.

Alot of anger here Niemand, why not reply to Rez's accusations or the rest of the points brought up by ICers about the whole story. Is that all bullshit? Just because the guy was in the marijuana industry, doesn't mean shit to me. Anyone can make a fast buck off it. All the dispensaries here do, and I don't hate them.. Everyone obviously is speculating, even you. and you obviously don't read everyone's replies before you answer, if you did you would have seen my previous one where I said I was unsure about the reasons for his persecution, thus was on the wall. We all know the laws of the land, and if he fucked up, bud, why should we all write kudos to him. I am sympathetic towards a true Marijuana cause, but I won't be sorry for someone who did something stupid for money in the name of the cause. Maybe he didn't, and is a martyr. I still find it a right of everyone here to have an opinion, even if it is a speculation that is opposite of yours. If you knew the guy and would put your ass on line for his "nature", then go for it. Good luck.

The minute you start getting your panties in a not and calling people ignorant, spouting bullshit, yadda yadda it showed you are not discussing calmly, you are getting personnally upset and trying to force people to "see the light". I've seen your type before. Well, you just haven't convinced anyone, because you don't know...you don't know what really happened..unless you're ME's right arm.
Jah Bless you .Allah, whatever, just don't go around calling people names, then trying to bless them, let people think what they want....MHO

 

[Verite]

If backing down isnt in Emerys nature then why on earth would the guy have pled guilty to trafficking charges and gone to jail in Saskatoon? Unless he had an ulterior motive.

 

[Guest]

Buddy brought over a Cannabis Culture mag. It must have been printed before the bust as they still had the seed list in there. Except there was a sticker that said Emery got busted by the DEA and not to order seeds. Funny how every single buddy of mine says he should beable to buy his way out for how much he charged for his beans.

 

[James-Bong]

I think Ive said this before.... Your either With the Cause or your not.

It's one or the Other.....Anyone with the Cause Knows that: NOBODY, For ANY reason should ever be Harrased with Unjust MJ laws.

No matter how shady you are or how many people don't like you for whatever Reason, you should never have to be persecuted for growing a God givin Natural plant or Giving that Gift to others. Just my 2 cents.....

Like i said..... Getting Marijuana legal is Should be our main goal. Starting Stupid Flame threads and Danceing about on someones Woes, Will only Generate Negitive Karma. It's Like Taking 1 step foreward and 2 steps back.

If you Got some kind of Beef with Marc Emery and you want to see him go to jail....Thats fine. But he shouldn't be going to jail for distributing a plant that has been around before the age of man.

Cannabis was put here by God, It was meant to be used. It was Meant to be LEGAL.

If Marc Emery was selling knock offs or what ever then there should be some kinda TradeMark law Where you Could File a Lawsuit against him.

All im Trying to say NO ONE should be behind bars for useing, distributing or Growing pot.

Tell you the truth i got a few people around here that Grow or distribute, I Don't Really care for, but am i going to Drop the dime on them for POt? No way.

Alot of posers around here like to Talk the Talk. But the second Someone they Dislike gets pinched for Cannabis they throw a little personal party celebrating this fact, making them selfs look like an ass.

I don't Want Anything to do with that kind of negitive Karma And i surely won't do any kind of business with people who generate that kind of Karma.


JB

 

[Guest]

Many of the posters here must have read something I didn't catch. Who said it was ok to Snitch on someone? Don't take this too far off track with personal ideology. If Marc were Only growing some weed or selling some seed and marketing his wares for a fair price at a count specified by the breeders he Represents it would be much easier to paint him the saint. I've been jailed for possession. Does this entitle me to rip off the Seed Buying Community? Should this grant me a Pass for serious indescretions against the very community I embrace as my own? Marc took advantage of the sick and needy with high prices and short counts and we have no legal recourse because weed and its seed are illegal (although Tolerated). I'm having a hard time understanding why more of you aren't seeing this. Marc is being made an example of. I'd actually prefer him Free so I can get my hands on him.

 

[James-Bong]

Like i said before, if he was shady he should be taken down for his shady dealings..... not for selling Cannabis seeds.