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James-Bong said:
God, (if you are a believer) also made uranium, does that mean it is meant to be used? By whom?
If Marc was selling knockoffs, so you have a doubt? And good luck with a lawsuit, there is no legal recourse and you know it.
To me it seems you are saying that anyone who uses, distributes or grows pot is above the law?
What about driving and smoking is that OK? Or by the school bus driver?
What about selling pot and not paying taxes is that OK? Or selling to minors? Or selling mouldy old Cannabis, is that OK?
As for growing pot I also think it should be legal, but not above the law. What about hydo growers that dump fertilizers and chemicals down the drain, is that OK? I just wish the present laws were based on some sort of real facts not just lies.
I never thought I would support laws that could harm Cannabis users, growers, sellers, but if people think that supporting Cannabis legalization also means that no laws should be made to protect the rest of us from unscrupulous growers and sellers of Cannabis, I have to disagree.
Why shouldn't a Cannabis user have the same protections that a buyer of alcohol has? At least to be sure there is no methyl alcohol mixed in to make bigger profits for the manufacture/seller of the alcohol?
Kind of like the recent claims that meth is being put into pot to get the smokers addicted to speed, should that be legal according to you? I sure hope not!!!
-SamS
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Makes sense Sam,
Regulation is a two edged sword , but their should be rewards ( license ,permits) for responsible growing, smoking, just as there would be punishments for irresponsible growing.
I am hydro and empty my res into the soil around my orange tree and lavender and roses. They love it. But since I surf I wouldn't want to be swimming in the shit people flush into the ocean but I do. It would be nice to see it clean.
I don't drive impaired. I don't work impaired and I think that in most situations you can substitute the word drunk for stoned and see how you feel about the logic.
i.e. I wake up in the morning and do a shot or two ( smoke a bong hit or two). etc.
That's how I think about it. Works for me.
But somewhere in my life I got drilled in my head that individual rights are earned through individual responsibility. It's not that they are owed, they are earned.
If the weed growers /smokers can show that we are responsible and can contribute to making the world better socially and economically ( tax it and empty the jails...) heads would turn and pay attention. Change comes slowly....
Peace.
Doubt you'll be back, but thanks for all the great genetics.
Regulation is a two edged sword , but their should be rewards ( license ,permits) for responsible growing, smoking, just as there would be punishments for irresponsible growing.
I am hydro and empty my res into the soil around my orange tree and lavender and roses. They love it. But since I surf I wouldn't want to be swimming in the shit people flush into the ocean but I do. It would be nice to see it clean.
I don't drive impaired. I don't work impaired and I think that in most situations you can substitute the word drunk for stoned and see how you feel about the logic.
i.e. I wake up in the morning and do a shot or two ( smoke a bong hit or two). etc.
That's how I think about it. Works for me.
But somewhere in my life I got drilled in my head that individual rights are earned through individual responsibility. It's not that they are owed, they are earned.
If the weed growers /smokers can show that we are responsible and can contribute to making the world better socially and economically ( tax it and empty the jails...) heads would turn and pay attention. Change comes slowly....
Peace.
Doubt you'll be back, but thanks for all the great genetics.
kmarpa, right on surfer! What a great post! The advice from Tilopa is right on too.
Rezdog said:
I agree ,,,,, No point being HAPPY about it ... but I don't like him either .... some of the people who work with him are Good People ..... but He's Not...
No further comment
REZDOG Kicks ASS..... lol
Peace
G
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1tokeOverLine said:Damn. I know better than to read these type threads.
But since I got pulled into it, I can't help but to take offense at some and agree with others. I guess on the whole I have to agree with the consesus that what we are doing is illegal - we KNOW it, and we chose to continue doing it knowing there are serious consequences. The only apparent option in this state of affairs is to pay greater attention to damage control - minimize the circle of prosecution, don't take everyone down with you.
Agreeably a sad situation in Italy for 50-70 people to fall by involving their IP address use, but to turn that into a statement that the US can do it too is stretching it a bit. The last article I read mentioned a total of active IP addresses somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 times those busted in Italy. The US is quite a bit larger and has a few more users to even contemplate that they all could be tracked or anyone would even want to - unless you pull a Marc Emery and dare an entity with the resources to take you down if they can. US citizens are getting busted in larger numbers every day than that situation in Italy, IP addresses is at the bottom of the list, I'm sure, of methods used to ultimately bust them. I was a government network administrator for nearly 20 years - believe me, if they have a cheaper way to bust you they aren't going to hire technicians and install resources to do it. Not to say they don't already have those resources in place and aren't already tracking us - and again, it comes down to how big a fish you are for them to come after. Hell I had to fight tooth and nail for another NT server and bridge for nearly 2 years before I could get it approved. Bottom line is, take the Italian IPs there were busted and multiply them by about 200,000 times and you begin to comprehend the logistics involved, and the chances of your one randon IP being monitored without suspicion placed on yourself.
Another statement thrown around freely seems to be 70 or 80-some % of the US "favors" relaxing marijuana presecution or medical use. Sorry if I sound cynical, but if that's the case then the 20-30% that want to kill (OK, maybe a little harsh - how about hate) any pothead or anyone associated with the Devil Weed have followed me around all my life just to be my neighbors. I have never met a neighbor that wouldn't hesitate for one second to turn my ass in if they knew what went on in my grow room. And it certainly doesn't help to have our lawmakers snicker and jeer the marijuana lobbyists with "pothead" jokes to the media or peers - our "leaders" and "lawmakers" see our culture as a 60s' joke and ignore it as such. I think our number one priority is to overcome that and educate to dispell the Bush Administration's evangelical crusades and the DEAs free use of enormous public funds to headline their lies and propoganda. No one on capitol hill wants to admit to smoking pot or associating with the culture for fear of career backlash from their peers, they care less what their constituents think - their careers take top priority. They need to see how ridiculous and trivial their denials appear to us, and how an accountability and honesty opinion is affected by their continous misleading statements and skewed poll results slanted to further their careers.
Bottom line for this grower is the same as it has always been, my lifestyle is part of an underground - ridiculed and harrassed by society at every chance, and will be that way for the rest of my lifetime with no changes evident in the near future or that of my offspring, unfortunately. Security is still the means to survival and secrecy the vessel to financial and family stability. There will always be the Chicken Littles around yelling about the sky falling and the religious fanatics warning of impending doom if we don't repent. The sad fact is that marijuana shouldn't logically be a part of the equation and our choice to use it will always present a risk and reason to mistrust for those that don't.
I've never let anyone or anything make me bury my head in the sand and fear for my life, but then again I never let anyone know what goes on behind the closed locked doors of my home. Common sense has to prevail as always and tempers have to be checked at the door or mass hysteria will take over and the idiots in control now will have won in spite of our feeble attempts to change how the world percieves our culture. As Rez has said - fear and ignorance are their number one weapons, as long as we challenge their fear tactics and continue to educate the unaware life goes on. I'm not going to admit they won and act like the pothead they want everyone to think I am.
That said, peace. (Admittedly, some of this is on thread topic.)
Oh, and that West Coast comment about setting the pace and the rest of the country following eventually is laughable if not arrogantly egotistical - typcial of how most Americans view Texans. Sorry, but tumbleweed and six shooters don't set the pace of America.
I almost forgot the wireless router suggestion - it's only useful if you DON'T secure your network, it has to be accessible by the general public for that defense to be plausible. I don't let paranoia get that tight on me, I've always had my wireless network open and unsecure, I just let my apps and local machines encrypt with internal keys. Who cares is someone needs my wireless to access a porn site with my connection.
Didn't even know to read the entire thing man.. 1 love much karma
Mrskunkster
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He lit a bong for me! AT the hippie CafE!
He lit a bong for me! AT the hippie CafE!
Just browsing this came up, he is still in Canada and the U.S won'nt get him, Overseas they can send seeds without problems . Does'nt make sense and Marc was alright shit happens. Seeds are still getting delievered, from Canada, The states and Europe. Why put shit on Marc when all he did was provide seeds, like other seed banks???????
He lit a bong for me! AT the hippie CafE!
Just browsing this came up, he is still in Canada and the U.S won'nt get him, Overseas they can send seeds without problems . Does'nt make sense and Marc was alright shit happens. Seeds are still getting delievered, from Canada, The states and Europe. Why put shit on Marc when all he did was provide seeds, like other seed banks???????
tenfeetofganja
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Rezdog said:
Why do you think they call him Narc Emery....?
Mrskunkster said:Why put shit on Marc when all he did was provide seeds, like other seed banks???????
His sales funded a lot of legal reform projects and groups.
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Yeap always thought the dude was a creep, especially when he got married ...Delta9-THC said:
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rez loves emry....
HuffAndPuff
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Not as much as I sarcastically love the fact that he can drop the EFF BOMB in the thread title whilst posting as a guest, no less! NOT ****ING FAIR. Inequity is a mother****er.
Stay Safe,
HuffAndPuff
Stay Safe,
HuffAndPuff
He wasn't posting as a Guest... He was registered when he made the thread than later deleted his account. The thread is 2 years old.
None of us like to see anyone in 'our shoes' go to jail over mj, truth of the matter is he flaunted his seed selling to the point that the once rather innocuous online seed industry was brought to public attention. Nobody thanks Emery for that. Also he carried many strains and all of them at twice the price of Gypsys Seed Boutique or any other legit seed dealer. Nobody likes that either which is exactly where I personally sit with my feelings for him.......
I don't care for him much at all.
I don't care for him much at all.
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FRANKENBLUNT420
me blunt is like, wicked yo!! owight
well the only thing we can do as growers is to network amongst our selves. until they legalize we might as well become the next secret society. we can all get tattoos of different cannabis leaves on the inside of our lips, five fingered leaves for the indica growers and seven fingered leaves for the sativa growers (like the familiars from the blade movies)
i guess if anything holland is gonna see alotta buisness/visitors in the near future thats for sure.
honestly, i abhore the DEA all together, they had a specific purpose and its ends up they are some unearthly power group, not respectful of peoples right to choose and the greediest set of whormongers this side of the planet. now they want to scrafice us to make them selves seemingly to be doing "something". it seems as though tehy have taken on the secretary role, meaning if you dont have any real work to do , you better make something up so you atleast "look busy"
nothing but sadistic henchman, the whole DEA lot, but at teh same time, unless we all unite and get realistic organization goin on and stop the fear, then they will always have the upper hand. i am not sayin to march or anything. . do it at the polls!!! in canada, usa, and whatever parlimentary systems exist.
if your representative doesnt have positive stand/outlook on medical/personal cannabis use, let them know it in the polls!!!
i guess if were gonna fight back it has to be smarter not harder!!!!!
*** well i have read a greater deal of the back posts and see everyones point about ME pertaining to ethics of a business and personal nature. i do agree that the a persons ethics should be the same across the board, it kinda keeps a person from being two faced. now if ME s guilty of doing half of the things people say her that he has done, then he has done it TO US ALL AS A COMMUNITY!!!
and him being an example is a double edge sword, i totallly agree, NO ONE SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR CANNABIS CULTIVATION!!!!! DRUGS HAVE TO BE MIXED, PLANTS GROW, NUFF SAID.
as far as responsibility, just like there is no drinking until your 21, well hell, no blazin/growin until your 21.
***the thing is that yes beyond a shadow of a doubt this "person" needs to be defended by us all for his cannabis use/ promotion/advocation and spread of factual information. yes this "person" needs to be defended by us all for his selling and spreading of seeds to most of us that have ordered from him . . .the only f**ked up part about this "person" person happens to be marc -F***IN-emery.
so the question i have to the community is should we let him suffer for who heis as a person? or do we come to his defense for what he represents to a largere community that we have been trying for decades to get the attention of and use this opportunity to fight the good fight---mind you , not for ME---but for what he represents?
do we let him suffer for his shady dealing as a seed dealer(which we as the commmunity only know about), or we use this opportunity to defend what he seemingly represents to the masses( the non growers/supporters) by presenting ourselves as unblemished to these said masses as the literal personification of what "this person" represents to the masses.
its kinda like a mothers love: you know your son/daughter is f**kin horrible, but you would rather let some "TELL YOU" what he/she has done so YOU coould discipline them as opposed to some one else taking it upon themselves to discipline a child they have no right to do so with. do we let them whoop his ass, or do we protect him (as a figure head) and whoop his ass ourselves?
sorry after reading the previous posts, it got me to really thinking that maybe this is good a chance as any to stand up and use the situation to OUR advantage, sorta like use him, like he used us.
i guess if anything holland is gonna see alotta buisness/visitors in the near future thats for sure.
honestly, i abhore the DEA all together, they had a specific purpose and its ends up they are some unearthly power group, not respectful of peoples right to choose and the greediest set of whormongers this side of the planet. now they want to scrafice us to make them selves seemingly to be doing "something". it seems as though tehy have taken on the secretary role, meaning if you dont have any real work to do , you better make something up so you atleast "look busy"
nothing but sadistic henchman, the whole DEA lot, but at teh same time, unless we all unite and get realistic organization goin on and stop the fear, then they will always have the upper hand. i am not sayin to march or anything. . do it at the polls!!! in canada, usa, and whatever parlimentary systems exist.
if your representative doesnt have positive stand/outlook on medical/personal cannabis use, let them know it in the polls!!!
i guess if were gonna fight back it has to be smarter not harder!!!!!
*** well i have read a greater deal of the back posts and see everyones point about ME pertaining to ethics of a business and personal nature. i do agree that the a persons ethics should be the same across the board, it kinda keeps a person from being two faced. now if ME s guilty of doing half of the things people say her that he has done, then he has done it TO US ALL AS A COMMUNITY!!!
and him being an example is a double edge sword, i totallly agree, NO ONE SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR CANNABIS CULTIVATION!!!!! DRUGS HAVE TO BE MIXED, PLANTS GROW, NUFF SAID.
as far as responsibility, just like there is no drinking until your 21, well hell, no blazin/growin until your 21.
***the thing is that yes beyond a shadow of a doubt this "person" needs to be defended by us all for his cannabis use/ promotion/advocation and spread of factual information. yes this "person" needs to be defended by us all for his selling and spreading of seeds to most of us that have ordered from him . . .the only f**ked up part about this "person" person happens to be marc -F***IN-emery.
so the question i have to the community is should we let him suffer for who heis as a person? or do we come to his defense for what he represents to a largere community that we have been trying for decades to get the attention of and use this opportunity to fight the good fight---mind you , not for ME---but for what he represents?
do we let him suffer for his shady dealing as a seed dealer(which we as the commmunity only know about), or we use this opportunity to defend what he seemingly represents to the masses( the non growers/supporters) by presenting ourselves as unblemished to these said masses as the literal personification of what "this person" represents to the masses.
its kinda like a mothers love: you know your son/daughter is f**kin horrible, but you would rather let some "TELL YOU" what he/she has done so YOU coould discipline them as opposed to some one else taking it upon themselves to discipline a child they have no right to do so with. do we let them whoop his ass, or do we protect him (as a figure head) and whoop his ass ourselves?
sorry after reading the previous posts, it got me to really thinking that maybe this is good a chance as any to stand up and use the situation to OUR advantage, sorta like use him, like he used us.
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Kailua Kid
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Good post FRANKENBLUNT.
I don't think protest marches have any effect on congress and if anything they have a negative effect on the general public. Writing your congressman has little to no effect on them. Most of the time their staffers just bin or delete those types of mailings.
Voting for candidates that don't represent corporate America will help. But by far the most effective way to influence congress is through lobbies. There are already a few pro cannabis lobbies in Washington. But as you all know the only thing that matters in Washington is money. And unfortunately our lobbies are not well funded. If every grower and smoker in America would donate 1 oz (or about $200) a quarter to these lobbies we'd have well funded lobbies that could effect change.
I don't think protest marches have any effect on congress and if anything they have a negative effect on the general public. Writing your congressman has little to no effect on them. Most of the time their staffers just bin or delete those types of mailings.
Voting for candidates that don't represent corporate America will help. But by far the most effective way to influence congress is through lobbies. There are already a few pro cannabis lobbies in Washington. But as you all know the only thing that matters in Washington is money. And unfortunately our lobbies are not well funded. If every grower and smoker in America would donate 1 oz (or about $200) a quarter to these lobbies we'd have well funded lobbies that could effect change.
Good post Franken but there gets to be a point where you are one of three things to the marijuana community as a whole. 1.Neutral like most of us are while conducting illegal activities, nothing condemnable for the neutral since they provide 99% of all the markets available weed (so long as you vote too.) 2.Asset's like NORML and ICMag, etc. Places that conduct business to help the community and keep your information private. 3.Liability, now you can argue this til your blue in the face but Emery has time and time again proven to all that know him well enough to conduct his actions in a manner that has done decades of damage to the current pot laws in Canada as well as jeopardize hundreds if not thousands of world wide grow opererations when the DEA intercepted and photographed all the mail going to and from Emery's operation for more than two months before his arrest.
The worst part about it is if he's free to continue his actions he will continue to be a maelstorm of liability to all of those around him near and far. If he was half the sensible activist he claims to be he would have sold off the business long before devoting all his resources towards legalization. But then he would have to explain why hes the only one that doesnt think theres a conflict of interest being north americas #1 profiting illegal seed seller while ' trying ' to legalize it.
So does he deserve the impending sentance? No, but I dont see him going away by any other means and considering the level of liability hes already unleashed theres only one place safe for us for him to go and thats away.
The worst part about it is if he's free to continue his actions he will continue to be a maelstorm of liability to all of those around him near and far. If he was half the sensible activist he claims to be he would have sold off the business long before devoting all his resources towards legalization. But then he would have to explain why hes the only one that doesnt think theres a conflict of interest being north americas #1 profiting illegal seed seller while ' trying ' to legalize it.
So does he deserve the impending sentance? No, but I dont see him going away by any other means and considering the level of liability hes already unleashed theres only one place safe for us for him to go and thats away.
FRANKENBLUNT420
me blunt is like, wicked yo!! owight
Kailua Kid: yeah man, although i am new to growing, i have never really cared about how the govenrments are run, that i know and understand, i am more interested in getting them to do what they need to be and mainly to HAVE THEM BE IN THIER PLACE, which is not US FOR THEM, but THEM FOR US. and its easy to say, "yeah get out there and fight" but its easier said than done for some, if not most. ---BUT---if we get these damned politicians to hoppin' , which we can all do from the safety of our homes, then things WILL change, sorta like instead of smokin your indicas and being down about it, smoke a sativa and write about it!!! lol. . .the pen is still mightier than the sword !!!
Verite: you are right i guess and your point is definitely trumping mine, idealistically, since you know more about the man than i do. i mean it would work with the right "person", but as i have learned politicaly,ethicaly and personaly there are jsut some people you just have to totally distance yourself from if you want to get anything done, oh well a missed opportunity, but thankfully it wont be the last opportunity we have as a community to get our points, views, and (some may not know it instinctively) our ethical standards across to the main stream. but the fact that most of us have lives, families, grow safely and give our "kind" away in kind to those we love and care about, should speak volumes, its shameful that people have to suffer in the interum , but we have to fight this war OUR way which is peacefully, and true to OUR ethical code. socially, spiritually, politically and scientifically some are starting to come around, so its not like we havent had/made any progress,and we did have ROSENTHAL and KUBBY set examples of who and what "we" are about.
so i say to all, you may not be able/ want to go out on anyones front steps/lawn but those letters to the right people will do just as good if not more so to have a positive affect on this twisted view the mainstream has of us and the sacred plant. " if you cant fight the good fight, then write the good fight!!!!!
Verite: you are right i guess and your point is definitely trumping mine, idealistically, since you know more about the man than i do. i mean it would work with the right "person", but as i have learned politicaly,ethicaly and personaly there are jsut some people you just have to totally distance yourself from if you want to get anything done, oh well a missed opportunity, but thankfully it wont be the last opportunity we have as a community to get our points, views, and (some may not know it instinctively) our ethical standards across to the main stream. but the fact that most of us have lives, families, grow safely and give our "kind" away in kind to those we love and care about, should speak volumes, its shameful that people have to suffer in the interum , but we have to fight this war OUR way which is peacefully, and true to OUR ethical code. socially, spiritually, politically and scientifically some are starting to come around, so its not like we havent had/made any progress,and we did have ROSENTHAL and KUBBY set examples of who and what "we" are about.
so i say to all, you may not be able/ want to go out on anyones front steps/lawn but those letters to the right people will do just as good if not more so to have a positive affect on this twisted view the mainstream has of us and the sacred plant. " if you cant fight the good fight, then write the good fight!!!!!
MichelleRainey
Member
Same charges...
Same charges...
I guess as the co-accused I mine as well jump in to this thread. First no one should ever be imprisoned for cannabis! When I resigned from a 10 year bank career to prove to the world that medicinal cannabis saved my life I knew there would be possible consequences for my actions. I think all of us here are aware of who we are and what we do and the ramifications of it all. My heart and soul were true to the cause when I joined forces with ME in 2000, I tirelessly tried to make good and sustain the many history making projects that we did. We never had a 'sexual' relationship, I was mom and he was my son(or little brother)hehe. We dissolved our business relationship a year ago but I am still VP of our political party ,BCMP. The situation we are in legally is terrifying to say the least, no one would have thought the USA could just cross borders and do what they did. This is a sovereignty issue, cut and dry. The BC3 need to be dealt with in Canada by our government and our citizens. I understand why many of you dislike ME, but we all need to get over that and continue to end cannabis prohibition respectfully and logically together. My entire life is dedicated to cannabis reform, so is my husbands. We both work for Treating Yourself magazine, self produce our own cannabis shows, help facilitate legal cannabis license's, and volunteer our time for anyone that needs help. Life is so damn short, my precious mother Emilie gave me a quote recently "RE:FLECT on the past. Just don't live in it." The past 7 years has made me the woman that I now am, and I have every intention to be Mayor of this suburb that I now live in and someday Prime Minister of Canada, no US jail for this chick. Gypsy and I have met personally a few years ago, Reeferman and I are old friends now, hehe. My soul is genuine and always will be! Be safe everyone!
xoxoMichy
Same charges...
I guess as the co-accused I mine as well jump in to this thread. First no one should ever be imprisoned for cannabis! When I resigned from a 10 year bank career to prove to the world that medicinal cannabis saved my life I knew there would be possible consequences for my actions. I think all of us here are aware of who we are and what we do and the ramifications of it all. My heart and soul were true to the cause when I joined forces with ME in 2000, I tirelessly tried to make good and sustain the many history making projects that we did. We never had a 'sexual' relationship, I was mom and he was my son(or little brother)hehe. We dissolved our business relationship a year ago but I am still VP of our political party ,BCMP. The situation we are in legally is terrifying to say the least, no one would have thought the USA could just cross borders and do what they did. This is a sovereignty issue, cut and dry. The BC3 need to be dealt with in Canada by our government and our citizens. I understand why many of you dislike ME, but we all need to get over that and continue to end cannabis prohibition respectfully and logically together. My entire life is dedicated to cannabis reform, so is my husbands. We both work for Treating Yourself magazine, self produce our own cannabis shows, help facilitate legal cannabis license's, and volunteer our time for anyone that needs help. Life is so damn short, my precious mother Emilie gave me a quote recently "RE:FLECT on the past. Just don't live in it." The past 7 years has made me the woman that I now am, and I have every intention to be Mayor of this suburb that I now live in and someday Prime Minister of Canada, no US jail for this chick. Gypsy and I have met personally a few years ago, Reeferman and I are old friends now, hehe. My soul is genuine and always will be! Be safe everyone!
xoxoMichy
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