Bho Disasters (PLEASE READ!)

[Loc Dog]

Have not read thread, but MZ12x, produces explosive peroxides which can self ignite in recyclers. E-mail with any questions. GW concurs!!!!

Do not want to claim to be expert. This needs further review, but be prudent, and wait, till we see if it is credible.

 

[Loc Dog]

If you can not do it perfectly safe, pay someone who can!!!!

 

[Storm Shadow]

I was watching MSNBC LOCK UP ... It was an episode out of Oakland...

This girl and her Boyfriend were making BHO in their Apt... They blew themselves up... killed their friend with them... the girl got 57% of her body burned.... a year in county jail and her BF got 3 years...

The Insurance company wouldn't cover anything...the entire Apartment blew up and everything was lost...

That was almost me.... I could care less what anyone thinks... it only takes one time to fuck your whole world up forever...

Is it really worth it? For real?... Hell nah

 

[jump /injack]

Butane is more deadly than imagined.

Butane is more deadly than imagined.

GW calls them BHOtards. He advocates nothing put the safest methods.

If you can not do it perfectly safe, pay someone who can!!!!

This really seems like a good idea, if you can't do it perfectly safe, pay someone who has bought the equipment to do it for you. The cost of one day in a burn ward will pay for 2 or 3 Terpenators, if that stuff blows, you start a new life as a terrible example for others in a millisecond. Its prudent to leave some things to those that know the dangers and have the equipment, savvy and location to do butane extractions. Take a look at some of the pictures of 2nd and 3rd degree burns, no one in their right minds would volunteer for the pain associated with a butane explosion of 3000 degrees, some things are best left to those that have factored in the risks, know what they are doing and will not put others in harms way.

"It seems like a relatively recent trend of people who have figured out how to turn a benign plant into an explosive."

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=2nd+and+3rd+degree+burns&qpvt=2nd+and+3rd+degree+burns&FORM=IGRE Burn pictures, 2nd and 3rd degree

 

[blastfrompast]

Pretty sure we had some amateurs blasting locally...

Blew garage door off, instant fire...150k worth of damage....3 people in the garage at the time...Police investigating...

 

[SkyHighLer]

http://www.inlandnewstoday.com/story.php?s=32957

SAN JACINTO – (INT) – Two men are in stable condition after being burned in the explosion of a hash oil lab.

Sheriff’s investigators say the blast brought first-responders to a burning travel trailer on Estudillo Avenue late Thursday night. Fire fighters had the flames contained in 20 minutes.

One of the men was found at the scene and the other a short distance away.

A lab of concentrated marijuana was found in the trailer.

Both men---aged 28 and 29---was taken to a local hospital.
Story Date: April 11, 2014

"It seems like a relatively recent trend of people who have figured out how to turn a benign plant into an explosive."

http://www.bing.com/search?q=2nd+and+3rd+degree+burn+pictures&form=APMCS1 Burn pictures, 2nd and 3rd degree

This one was way too local, my MMJ Doctor has his office in San Jacinto...

The only alleviation of the problem I can see clearly is to drastically lower the price via safe mass production and distribution. I'd still like to be able to pick up a zip of a new strain at the local farmers market and extract it myself though...

 

[Loc Dog]

Crooked8,

I would like to see a youtube video, comparing n-butane and mz12x. 2 tests one filling balloon with pure of each, and igniting in field or small enclosure to show structural impact, the other the same but 90% air, 10% solvent.

I am fairly sure the mz12x will be less dangerous, but both horrendous.

The third should be igniting a storage container.

 

[Loc Dog]

Anyone considering making BHO should watch a few hours of this -

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=butane+hash+oil+blows+up

 

[2 Legal Co]

you were talking about a hood vent. a hood vent will not do the trick, as it will let the room fill up with butane till it's full to the top before it starts extracting it. that is useless.

Hate to have to correct a MOD..... That's not useless, that's the fuse to light the bomb with, at the 'full' point.

We're seeing an increase in fires out here now, it seems.

Some dummies think physics doesn't apply to them.

Sorry Gaius, just had to jump in.

 

[jump /injack]

Truckee Explosion

Truckee Explosion

http://www.news10.net/story/news/cr...tion-causes-truckee-house-to-explode/7848643/

Police: Honey oil extraction causes Truckee house to explode

A Truckee house exploded during a butane honey oil extraction process on Wednesday afternoon.
Douglas Hall, 54, was trying to extract THC from marijuana when fumes from the butane ignited at the water heater, Truckee police Sgt. Robert Womack said. Hall suffered burns to his face and hands.
Womack said Hall's girlfriend and their 5-year-old daughter were home at the time of the explosion. The little girl was not injured in the explosion. The girlfriend suffered minor burns to her hands as she tried to put out the fire.
During a search of the home, Truckee police found 1,000 empty cans of butane, several pounds of marijuana waiting to be processed and finished honey oil with a street value of $1,200 to $1,500.
Honey oil, or hash, is highly concentrated cannabis with high THC (the key psychoactive substance) content. Womack said Hall admitted he was processing honey oil to sell to cannabis clubs in San Francisco.
Hall was booked into at the Wayne Brown Facility in Nevada City for possession of concentrated cannabis, manufacturing controlled substances with chemicals, and felony child endangerment.
Womack said the child is currently in the custody of the girlfriend. The Nevada County District Attorney's Office is reviewing the case and will determine if the girlfriend should be also charged in the case.

"It seems like a relatively recent trend of people who have figured out how to turn a benign plant into an explosive."

Burn pictures of 2nd and 3rd degree burns. http://www.google.com/search?q=2nd+...7Aqa_2QXS04CoDQ&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1345&bih=841

 

[jump /injack]

http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/256196531.html


Another drugs-related explosion in Coombs/Hilliers area

For the second time in two months, police and fire department personnel have been called to deal with an explosion allegedly related to the production of illegal drugs.
The Coombs/Hilliers Volunteer Fire Department and Oceanside RCMP were dispatched to a trailer court on Shawn Road in Coombs on Thursday night after reports of an explosion. Police say when they arrived at the scene, they found two youth with minor burns outside a trailer. Police say the front window of the trailer and its*surrounding frame had been blown out by an apparent explosion.
According to the RCMP, the youth admitted that they were using a volatile fuel (butane) to make cannabis oil when an explosion occurred. Police say the youth were very lucky to only sustain minor burns in the explosion.
"Everyone needs to be aware of just how dangerous this process is," Oceanside RCMP Cpl. Jesse Foreman said through a news release. "Luckily these boys were relatively uninjured. Two explosions resulting from illicit drug production in Oceanside, in less than two months, should serve as warning that this is a foolish and dangerous practice."
Foreman said drug-related charges are being considered by the Oceanside RCMP.

 

[jump /injack]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25622569/small-explosion-at-sw-denver-grow-house

Three people were injured Wednesday when a small explosion erupted at a marijuana growing operation in southwest Denver.
According to fire department spokesman Mark Watson, the explosion occurred at 12:44 p.m. while workers apparently wer using butane gas to extract THC illegally from plants behind a building on the 1200 block of South Lipan Street.
"We heard these booms," said Cindy Gilmore, who works in a neighboring building.
"A big ball of flame was coming out the back of the building."
Gilmore said that she heard 10 booms in total and that she saw several people run from the building and get into their cars and speed away after the explosion. One woman and two men remained who appeared to be burned, Gilmore said. The fire department confirmed that three people suffered second-degree burns and were taken to a hospital.
According to Watson, fire crews arrived quickly and extinguished the blaze and every plant outside of the building was destroyed.
He estimated that there were 36 plants inside the building and said that authorities seized them.
The name of the operation was not released, but fire officials said that it identified itself as a medical marijuana co-op and that it operated in a space in the building.
The investigation is ongoing, but Watson said that charges could range from arson to violations of the fire code.
He said charges in the case likely will be filed Thursday.
The Denver Police Department was on scene Wednesday waiting for a warrant to enter the building to investigate possible illegal activities relating to marijuana growing and selling.

"It seems like a relatively recent trend of people who have figured out how to turn a benign plant into an explosive."

Burn pictures of 2nd and 3rd degree burns. http://www.google.com/search?q=2nd+...7Aqa_2QXS04CoDQ&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1345&bih=841

 

[jump /injack]

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/hash-oil-explosions-rise-authorities-struggle-crac/nfhLt/


Hash oil explosions on the rise, authorities struggle to crack down


In the past year, there have been at least six hash-oil related explosions across the Puget Sound area. "Hash oil, for us, it's almost like the next meth lab phenomenon," Seattle Police Sergeant Sean Whitcomb told KIRO 7.
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By Linzi Sheldon
Hash oil explosions are on the rise, and the dangerous oil production at local homes is forcing local authorities to think about how they can crack down.
It’s a difficult challenge with medical marijuana being legal in Washington the medical hash oil industry and recreational marijuana use being approved by a voter initiative last year.
Brandon Hamilton, owner of Washington Alternative Medicine, showed KIRO 7 the controlled, scientific process he uses to create the oil.
"We start our process with always thinking about public safety," Hamilton said. "It's not just about making the extract. It's about having all the other accessories, things you need to do to make a safe extract."
On a Saturday morning, he flushed carbon dioxide through two pounds of marijuana.
"It gets you higher quicker and you have to ingest less of it," he explained.
Initially, hash oil comes out as a yellow paste, before Hamilton filters it multiple times over the course of 30 to 60 days.
"It's full of waxes and lipids," he said.
But not everyone is using the same painstaking system, and it's putting lives at risk.
All over YouTube, there are videos depicting explosions from people trying to make hash oil using butane gas instead of carbon dioxide or other extraction methods.
Amateurs pack cylinders with pot, then flood the containers with butane. Hash oil and gas pour out below into a waiting container. However, since butane is heavier than air, it sinks and can collect. If hash oil is being made in an enclosed space without proper ventilation, any kind of spark, including static electricity, can set off an explosion.
In the past year, there have been at least six hash-oil related explosions across the Puget Sound area.
"The fact that this process is occurring in residential neighborhoods is discouraging, because there are places where they can go and do it now," Hamilton said. "It's frustrating from that standpoint. Every time I hear about one of these happening, I get really nervous about legislative policy being enacted that'll curtail our industry. That's why it's important that people take this very seriously."
One hash oil explosion, in Bellevue, is now linked to the death of an 87-year-old woman.
An explosion in the Rainier Valley shook a building off its foundation in January.
"It was like a bomb went off, like detonated," Maile Carlson said. Her flower shop is next door to the apartment where the explosion occurred. "It shook the whole building," she said.
Police found a marijuana grow operation inside the apartment and said butane in the freezer found its way into the fridge's electrical system.
Officials said when the motor started, it sparked the gas and caused the explosion.
"If the fridge was facing the opposite way, we would have been blown up," she said. "If someone was in there, they would have been dead."
"Hash oil, for us, it's almost like the next meth lab phenomenon," Seattle police Sergeant Sean Whitcomb said.
He said hash oil made from butane at home is clearly risky and presents a problem for police.
"If it's just a small amount, if it's for medical purposes, our hands are kind of tied because there are no specific prohibitions against it," he said.
This appears to be the dilemma Bellevue police faced when dealing with a massive hash oil fire now linked to the death of Bellevue's first female mayor, Nan Campbell.
The apartment building where she lived erupted in flames the morning of Nov. 5.
People were jumping from their second and third floor apartments. Campbell ran from her ground floor apartment and fell outside.
Her daughter, Patty, got a call from the hospital.
"She was losing blood so quickly," she said. "She was really out of it."
Nan had a fractured pelvis and internal bleeding. She survived surgery, but died two weeks later from complications.
She was a mother and a grandmother, as well as a former mayor.
"Very caring," Campbell said. "Very thoughtful. She had such an impact on so many people's lives."
Her death, investigators believe, was caused by a hash oil fire fueled by butane.
"At first I was angry," Campbell said. "You would have to be a complete idiot not to know that it's dangerous."
KIRO 7 obtained documents that show in the month before the fire, police were tipped off by a construction worker, who said he saw the three men living in a second-floor apartment in Nan's building making hash oil.
A police officer visited and warned them that it was a violation of their rental agreement.
They said they were not making hash oil.
In police documents, the officer later said he didn't know if making hash oil was illegal, since "possession of marijuana was no longer illegal" and "medical marijuana laws allow patients to manufacture... certain amounts of marijuana."
Only now, months after the explosion, are police asking King County to charge one of the men, 31-year-old David R. Schultz, with manslaughter.
"Is that enough?" KIRO 7 asked Campbell.
"No," she said. "I don't feel that it is. They took away a life."
Ian Goodhew, with the King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office, said they are looking at all possible charges, from manslaughter to arson to reckless endangerment.
He said hash oil cases aren't simple or easy to prosecute, since there are no specific charges that exist the same way they do for meth lab explosions.
"The substances used to make methamphetamine are either highly regulated or illegal," Goodhew said. "It's legal to possess a certain amount of marijuana."
Whatever the charges may be, he doesn't expect them for another few weeks, at the earliest.
Goodhew said they'll be pushing for new legislation next year.
"I would vote for calling it Nan's law," Campbell said, "to stop this from happening to anybody else."

 

[MedResearcher]

Was just recently told a first hand story of a minor explosion/fire which took place outdoors.

Someone was a few feet away from the process and sparked a lighter. Fumes blew up in his face, and the pool of butane that was built up in the grass ignited.

Luckily it was only first degree burns in his face. Guess they tried to put the grass out with a water house, which didn't help.


Very lucky they were set up outside. I thought I would share the story as a lesson that even outside it can be very dangerous.

To each his own, of course. For me though, its just to much to deal with. Both water, and dry sift can turn out good enough.

Mr^^

 

[MF Grimm]

Was just recently told a first hand story of a minor explosion/fire which took place outdoors.

Someone was a few feet away from the process and sparked a lighter. Fumes blew up in his face, and the pool of butane that was built up in the grass ignited.

Luckily it was only first degree burns in his face. Guess they tried to put the grass out with a water house, which didn't help.


Very lucky they were set up outside. I thought I would share the story as a lesson that even outside it can be very dangerous.

To each his own, of course. For me though, its just to much to deal with. Both water, and dry sift can turn out good enough.

Mr^^

Well, that wasn't very smart of him. At least he didn't win a Darwin award, but he was one hell of a nominee.

 

[jump117]

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/hash-oil-explosions-rise-authorities-struggle-crac/nfhLt/


Hash oil explosions on the rise, authorities struggle to crack down


... butane in the freezer ...

maybe the city authorities should equip special zones for secure self-service where it is not prohibited by law?

 

[jump /injack]

"I looked down and my arms were on fire"

"I looked down and my arms were on fire"

Was just recently told a first hand story of a minor explosion/fire which took place outdoors.

Someone was a few feet away from the process and sparked a lighter. Fumes blew up in his face, and the pool of butane that was built up in the grass ignited. Luckily it was only first degree burns in his face."

Gray Wolf has a story of his stopping someone from lighting a cigarette when he was outside extracting. What is it about Butane that makes it seem so benign, why isn't the word getting out more to grow shops and other venues? This should be on public service spots on the radio, I keep remembering that story about the young girl and her boy friend when a "bath tub" full of butane exploded, everything above their waist was 3rd degree burns, only their lungs escaped the damage. Look at the 3rd degree burn pictures below and tell me that they're lucky to have lived.


"It seems like a relatively recent trend of people who have figured out how to turn a benign plant into an explosive."

Burn pictures of 2nd and 3rd degree burns. http://www.google.com/search?q=2nd+...7Aqa_2QXS04CoDQ&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1345&bih=841

 

[morgandecaptain]

I know this thread has good intension's but I think this issue is being over covered by the media because it's a hot button topic and is politically motivated. I bet if you look at the number of people burnt by gasoline it would dwarf the number of butane oil making burn victims. Years ago my neighbor directly across the street from me tried to remove the gas tank from his car in a closed garage,it didn't go well and he almost burned to death. Look at the number of people seriously burnt from trying to deep fry turkeys and they also burn their home down. I'm sorry but you can't fix stupid or try to legislate to fix it.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I know this thread has good intension's but I think this issue is being over covered by the media because it's a hot button topic and is politically motivated. I bet if you look at the number of people burnt by gasoline it would dwarf the number of butane oil making burn victims. Years ago my neighbor directly across the street from me tried to remove the gas tank from his car in a closed garage,it didn't go well and he almost burned to death. Look at the number of people seriously burnt from trying to deep fry turkeys and they also burn their home down. I'm sorry but you can't fix stupid or try to legislate to fix it.

It is a hot button for sure! How would you suggest reaching and educating those who haven't yet blown them selves up, but are making all the right moves to do so?

 

[SkyHighLer]

Large posters in smokeshops at eye level behind the cash register warning of the danger and asking you to spread the word...