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Best of luck to you friend.
The case I was kind of involved in happened quite a few years ago so they've been doing it for awhile. The Feds initially wanted to charge me as a co-conspirator but never happened. For various reasons it would have watered their case down a bit. Initially the inflated plant count had mainly to do with the dead plants and aborted clones. In the end it was under 100 plants but the weight was the thing. One thing with the Feds is once they decide to pick up the case you're pretty much done and will get their pound of flesh somehow...at least from what I've seen and heard. What they've done to the OP is lame but appears to be a proven tactic. Most cases like this, from what I understand, never go to trial and are plead out. My friend got 2 and the peeps that decided to push the issue with similar cases from his area that summer got 5. Someone else just paid a fat fine and that's what they really wanted. Don't know the details of that case but met that dude and just around the corner.
I'd think the system has it's quotas but with the Cali med scene it just provides the Feds with a setup like shooting fish in a barrel.
I wonder what they 'net' from busting meth dealers compared to cannabis farmers? Peeps associated with meth are a dysfunctional group and not a lot going for them. I know picture history/documentation, especially if you are well organized, can be a liability but seems to be less important than other evidence but still evidence.which imho is why they go after cannabis growers instead of crack & meth dealers
That, and avoid retaining any "documentation" of your prior grows -- no sense in handing LEO the evidence to hang you with.
I don't want peeps to get the impression I believe they should throw in the towel if the authorities come down on them. Don't make any decisions until you absolutely have to. Each situation is different and ultimately you are the one making the decision and not your attorney as they only act on your behalf. Fed level is very tough though.Personally, if it were me, I would not plead this case out.
10+ sounds nuts and a major stretch for canna stuff. The peeps I knew that fell to Fed BS got 5 max.The feds want me to squeel or do ten plus is what they are telling me.
My guess is they will pull them from my isp and decrypt. Lawyers say chats dont hold up incourt unlesss they have both ppl involved testifying against one anotherabout what was said.
CORRECT...Pleads are because they HAVE you...NO OUTS...
Go to trial...LOOK OUT for the BOOK...
FEDS make it up as they go along...YOUR ass turns to GRASS...
THANKS
Thanks for all the replies... The feds want me to squeel or do ten plus is what they are telling me. Still dont know how they got me no affvidavit released yet.. I do have a good lawyer and he is certainly worth the extra money so far. There are some things working for me that could get me off with no snitching, just cant really share them here until this thing is finished. The feds are sniffing thru my imac and my chats thru adium. No history saved, and otr was always used. My guess is they will pull them from my isp and decrypt. Lawyers say chats dont hold up incourt unlesss they have both ppl involved testifying against one anotherabout what was said. Anyhow ill keep you posted as i know more. Wish me freedom!
glad i came across this thread. Hope all ends well for you hemmed. Hey Stress or David, could you take the hardware disk out of a computer or laptop, then destroy it? Or just take it out and put it back in whenever you wanted to? No one would be able to recover anything without the hardware disk correct?
glad i came across this thread. Hope all ends well for you hemmed. Hey Stress or David, could you take the hardware disk out of a computer or laptop, then destroy it? Or just take it out and put it back in whenever you wanted to? No one would be able to recover anything without the hardware disk correct?
I don't agree with that. I do think they're always looking for an expedient resolution. If they don't have anything the deal they're offering should get better. 'They' have all the time in the world and will just try and wear you out though. Take a weak case, and I mean weak from a defendant's position, before the judge and he'll/she'll just get pissed off for wasting their time.Anytime LEO offers a deal they have a weak case and they know it.
Not saying cases have not been brought about by someone advertising on the net but I'd bet money virtually all cases are created by 'real life' activity and anything on the net just supports their case. If your poking the hornet's nest with a stick (like some idiot that was running a dispensary, posted a video of himself with a box full of cash and dared the authorities to come get him) then you should be prepared for some problems. Yeah he went to jail.well if you advertise, somebody will probably come knocking
I don't agree with that. I do think they're always looking for an expedient resolution. If they don't have anything the deal they're offering should get better. 'They' have all the time in the world and will just try and wear you out though. Take a weak case, and I mean weak from a defendant's position, before the judge and he'll/she'll just get pissed off for wasting their time.
Not saying cases have not been brought about by someone advertising on the net butI'd bet money virtually all cases are created by 'real life' activity and anything on the net just supports their case. If your poking the hornet's nest with a stick (like some idiot that was running a dispensary, posted a video of himself with a box full of cash and dared the authorities to come get him) then you should be prepared for some problems. Yeah he went to jail.
Since the statute of limitations has long since run out...when I was a stupid kid in high school I knew they had me on something and copped to it immediately. Went before the judge, my attorney told me it was easier to convince 1 person instead of 12, and got 60 days instead of the 5+ years he was handing out for similar crimes (got lucky I guess). While the case was in process a detective from the next city over questioned me about something they were trying to solve and my mom was like...'Jeez...not something else' in front of the detectives...and I just smiled (inside) cause I knew he/they had nothing. So I copped to what I knew they had on me and told them to fuck off on the other thing even though I knew they knew I did it.
Computers were barely invented when I was a kid so no way to track that info down
Ahh yes. The 'Prisoner's Dilemma', a favorite tool of detectives the world over. Plays on a combination of lack of intelligence, lack of trust and fear. No wonder it works.Lawyers say chats dont hold up incourt unlesss they have both ppl involved testifying against one anotherabout what was said.
They want to offer a deal because they don't want to go to trial. If they took a lot of stuff to trial they wouldn't get anything done. Who would you give a promotion to...someone who's clearing most of his cases fast, getting convictions, getting judgments or the guy getting most everyone on the maximum and taking a lot more time? Would be interesting to know what metrics they actually use for all of this stuff.Yep... I agree. Mostly. Except: IF they had a solid case? Why offer a deal?
See, a prosecutors career is gauged by convictions. That's how they progress in their career and life. Bigger convictions means bigger promotions.
SO if they have a solid case, it is in their own selfish interest to say "FUCK YOU" (just like you would if you knew you CAN'T lose) and go to trial.
That was taken a bit out of context but will agree that you need to keep a tight ship otherwise you are possibly giving them more ammunition. Your place should be kept like someone could walk in at any minute. I just don't see that posting stuff online is the issue. Virtually none of what I've seen happen over the years is from posting pics, grow diaries, etc.then you should be prepared for some problems. Yeah he went to jail.
True that. Still good to know how to wipe stuff clean and destroy an old drive if you want to. One of the better things I've gotten from this thread is the use of thumb drives for all net activity. I mean if you're at your puter you keep the drive in. If you take off off then simple step to remove the damn thing and stash someplace like in a shirt pocket in your closet or something.All this talk of how to destroy a hard disk will not help if they are kicking your door down before they did it.
They want to offer a deal because they don't want to go to trial. If they took a lot of stuff to trial they wouldn't get anything done. Who would you give a promotion to...someone who's clearing most of his cases fast, getting convictions, getting judgments or the guy getting most everyone on the maximum and taking a lot more time? Would be interesting to know what metrics they actually use for all of this stuff.
Personally I'd take the guy slamming stuff out and producing cumulative numbers. You get a tough case then throw it to the guy who's better suited for a court trial. Lot's of scare tactics and manipulation involved with things like this.
That was taken a bit out of context but will agree that you need to keep a tight ship otherwise you are possibly giving them more ammunition. Your place should be kept like someone could walk in at any minute. I just don't see that posting stuff online is the issue. Virtually none of what I've seen happen over the years is from posting pics, grow diaries, etc.