Bean Shopping...Fem? or Regular?

[707Corridor]

This is some good info...damn my head is numb. I going with some Fem seeds. should be arriving from the dam later this month.


Hopefully we can keep this thread going for any one else having the same dilemma or just someone wanting to try something different.

 

[N. Accumbens]

Hello there everybody!

I am completely against feminizing marijuana strains...

Englishrick has made some very interesting points, but some have been the result of hasty generalizations such as outperform and better....

A seed will perform as well as the limiting factors which induce or inhibit growth... one of these being genetics.

In order for our genetic libraries of canna to be properly maintained... "yah i think it's a skunk #1 hybrid!...hehe)

IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE KEEP A PURE STOCK.

This sounds a little like a big company who sends out sterile GM (genetically mutated) seeds, and tells me they are doing me a favor because the corn will outperform any other corn... "yes, i agree there are a few fallacies in my argument, but with an open mind you will see the similarity"

I think we have a hard enough time as canna conisiours to protect the M/F genes we have w/o people feminizing them, too!

This throwing the hermie genes into a recessive state argument is not working for me...
Recessive genes are actually not that hard to get rid of...
Much easier than dominant ones i do believe...

Come on people... we don't get many chances at this...

I propose the feminized human, instead.... yah , do you all think that is a good idea... all our females we will mutate till they put out only females.... what a great world this would be....

Ah, males and females were created for a reason...
Mostly simple celled creatures are a -sexual.... then we have the hermaphroditic worms and fish and rays and what not.... but as the notochord starts developing in our ancestry... so do individual sexes... maybe because certain sex determined traits are considered benificial... maybe because genetic recombination leads to developments which can then naturally be selected for by their niches.... either way... femme genes are just a silly novelty... which a coupla decades from now i will laugh at... considering it a fad already today, hopefully then it will be in the history books...LOL

Thumbs up to males...
C i love males...
No, matter how small my grow...
kids let's do the math, by the time the males are pre-flowering... they get taken out of the cab... and how much room you have is not the issue... because we are talking about a plant which can grow and be culled just as easily... the argument would be that in certain areas we are taking a risk for having another plant which is in a way non-proficient for our needs (unless we make seeds)... p.s. - making seeds though decreases the need to go through the risk of sending or ordering beans...

SATIVA DREAMS:- maybe if you put a shelf in your grow-room like most ppl have thought to... you could possibly root clones right next to your mums w/o problems, just like many ppl do!

SO, what have we learned today!
We have learned that NAcc really does not like fem genes and will fight to the death on this issue must it be the case...
We hopefully have realized that femme genes can bring a downfall to the canna genetic pool.... contact me if you want more info. as to why that is, b4 i start getting in trouble in open forum...hehe...
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....... femmes no more!
Peace Folks
NAcc

 

[Guest]

Good discussion

Im not saying fems wont hermie outdoors groady- ho, but i havent seen one. I too have had plants terribly damaged and the plant not hermie, but have had others produce a male flower at the drop of a hat, seemingly without any stress. From root eating grubs, to soil content, im not sure that the stresses on any given plant are always apparent.

To be completely honest, I may have had a hermie on some femmed strain because the reality is that no grower can find a male flower on a plant that is 3 meters tall and 6 meters around! Hermie? Who the hell knows, you need a big ladder, 2 assistants and most of the day to try and check the thing over. Say you've got 25 of them? You'll have to let us know if it hermied next year after youve smoked all of the bud. I havent found any seeds in my outdoor fems.

I know this is controversial, but I consider full blown hermaphroditism to be strickly an indoor phenomenon and one that isn't really dependent upon any particular strain or on the nature of the seeds, (femmed or reg). I believe the herm expressions are the result of stresses in the indoor grow enviroment such as lighting stabilty,heat and root stress. In years of outdoor growing, I have never seen a true hermie plant, one that produces both male and female flowers at rates that disallow proper bud development for a plant that was started and grown outdoors. I have seen many strains and plants that produced a few male flowers, but never a truly, sexually confused plant. The only place ive seen that occur with cannabis is indoors.

 

[N. Accumbens]

LOL silverback.... very good post... great signature BTW

I'm going to have to disagree with you on outdoor strains not being hermaphroditic... for example i remember in sudan or ethiopia the landrace genes were mostly hermaphroditic and it certainly did lead to variated bud production....

Some of the east asian landrace strains were also very hermaphroditic when growing naturally in the great outdoors...

Most landrace genes actually have hermaphroditic tendencies, and yet will still blow my seedcompany faves outta the water...

....because they have not been infiltrated by the skunkmans fortitude!

And no they do not come in femme packages...

OVERGROW!
NAcc

 

[mojojojo]

grown trainwreck s-1s like 5 packs never got too many hermies,if i di i picked it off
grew bubba kush s-1s from 3cs no hermies.
grew my own s-1s no problems
not every strain hermies with female seeds
also just because female seeds exist
it doesnt mean all breeders will move to this way only.
but being anti female seeds is ignorant because its a simple step
of breeding that works,or a niche item for growers no big deal.

 

[pinecone]

Sativa, you can make room for a mother. Keep her in the flower room until the lights go off and then put the mother some place where you can keep a small light going. If you keep your mother small, read jjscorpio bonsai. A small cfl could be used to keep the mother alive when not in the flower room. You could divide your flower room up so that you have just enough room for a mother to live too, but if you want to go perpetual you can make it bigger to support clones as well. Anything is possible. You have folks growing in a computer case. Necessity is the mother of invention.

I totally understand where Sativa is coming from. He can spend $100 on a ten pack of fem seeds which are enough for 5 grows and lbs of herb; more than sufficient to enough to meet personal needs if he grows continuously. Of course, he could keep a mom if he wanted to set up another light source (he doesn't) or if he wanted to move his plants on a daily basis and give up 0.5 square feet of his flower space for a bonsai mom (he doesn't). In his situation with his priorities I would probably grow fems to.

Pine

 

[englishrick]

i agree ,,,

for god sake keep the pure lines,,,,

stupid/greedy people have allready took dutch genetics back to areas of the world.... they can easly have allready distroyed a localized population of landrace cannabis.....

i pray i dont do it myself

what i am talking about with FEM SEEDS ,is almost GM WEED,,,dont let it OUT!!,,,,,,,GM hybridization with landrace genetics is generaly iligal,,,an i support that!!

my grow is classed as a BIO HAZARD CONTAIMENT AREA!!......an if your using Fem seeds, yours should classed as 1 too...

please remember that

but then again,,,,"outperforming is our goal"

 

[N. Accumbens]

WOW!!!!!

I am very glad my rant was taken well....

I wouldn't go so far as to call my anti-femme challenge ignorant.... more so ethically displaced from today's general tide of informational misgivings...

IOW... It is not ignorant of me to want to protect our original landrace stock... quite contrare...
Anyone who has travelled to such regions knows that the landrace stock has already become infiltrated by present day genetics...
Genetic drift in this case is only a post mark away...
If Feminized seeds do become a norm and easily attainable, then we will eventually see hashmakers who would be interested in such genes. If i were a hashmaker.. that is where i would be thinking ... once the cost of femme seed production goes down it is rhetorically possible to envision such a situation...

BUT REALLY.... I like the way englishrick said it the most!

I understand ppl who want to use femme stock and even support their reasons for it... let's just be careful where demand takes our suppliers...

BTW thanks everyone for not turning this into a flame a thread... i love it!

PEACE and OVERGROW!
NAcc

 

[englishrick]

thanks man...

its all in good fun, eh

 

[Blue]

WOW!!!!!
... It is not ignorant of me to want to protect our original landrace stock..

Very well said this is one of the things that a lot of growers are not informed enough about the loss of Landrace genes due to mans greed and stupidity!!

Femming strains is going to mess around with the genes long term but in the short term the $$$$ are rolling in so who cares right?

Fems are fine for bobby two plant with a 250w light you cant knock these growers but if you have the space and the knowledge of how to pick a good male and females but you choose Fem seeds your a fool!

 

[englishrick]

if you have the space and the knowledge of how to pick a good male and females but you choose Fem seeds your a fool!

selfing is a little more than foolish....its been used by the food industy with grate sucsess for years

i wonder how you came to your conclusion?

 

[N. Accumbens]

Rick i don't think Blue meant your amazingly awesomely crazy selfing experiment, which is a landmark thread in itself, IMO!
Your theoretical selfing experiment is a sespool of knowledge... even though it is a biohazard unit...hehe

I think this was more aimed at the commercial growers who instead of choosing reg seed stock and selecting mums for clones, or instead of purchasing clones...decide to order huge amounts of femme seeds...
Now, this in itself is not really a problem... god-bless them for i myself have been in can't grow situations when i needed my meds and i understand large amounts of clones are not always easily attainable.
On the other hand, i actually became involved in seed breeding because i could no longer watch the "purposeful degradation" of our genetic stock...
Today, I am a seed breeder newb, but i do intend on taking seedyseeds far and this is in a large part so as to preserve canna genetics as much as i can.... and to help people... because i find instead on concentrating on feminized seeds it would be nice if the seed companies concentrated on honesty, integrity, philantropy, medical uses of marijuana, and so on and so forth...
Anyone can charge 100 bucks for a pack of femme beans, but if they stole the stock...lie about it's origin and then the gear goes hermie indoor... commercially...and joe shmoe plants his bag seed so the legend lives on... well, i really despise that and as a seed breeder i would rather give joe shmoe a pack of regular beans for cost of shipping then have him planting hermie femme stock bagseeds... this is how much i worry about our canna lines.... C i started my grows with hermie stock, and right now I am working on a local line which is also extremely hermaphroditic... trying to breed that out of course...

I have extremely high levels of female genes in my strains right now, because i had foolishly chosen the males with the rare female pistil... hence increasing my femme count greatly, but in the meantime reducing my levels of true males and females...
I love anything natural and soon realized the reason i was finding these males so frequently... they are supposed to be rare... is because cervantes had long ago recommended these male individuals for breeding out femme stock... now, recently when i ran into my umpteenth male which exhibited the rare female pistil i said no more.... i will not ever choose a hermie male again... i don't care how rare they are... because over time as breeders have been choosing these males they are no longer rare but actually fairly common... and so a supposed increase in non-true females is also likely... hence seedyseeds only uses true stock if possible...

Each seed breeder will have their own values and motivations attached to their works of art, as are mine...
I became a seed breeder so as to prevent the loss of some of the current genetic material... because similarly as today many of us dream of having some original colombian gold or red... we never will... because those genes have been infiltrated by current day stock... some genetic drift is unavoidable...
but in general i support the development of new medicinal strains as opposed to the feminization of many of the strains i have already tried....

Long live CBDs!
Peace and good will, folks!
NAcc

 

[englishrick]

hmmmm,,,,,Increesing the % of females from chossing a intersexed male,,,,,,,thats fucin crazy bro,,,,im gona have to look at that,,,i dont want to do that myself in my Fem projects

clever dude,,,,

im sure i will find a way of avoiding this,,,,,to be honest,,i think its your own fault for selecting that indervidual...but i guess anyone can do it,,,im gona make sure i dont. eh?

 

[englishrick]

Rick i don't think Blue meant your amazingly awesomely crazy selfing experiment, which is a landmark thread in itself, IMO!
Your theoretical selfing experiment is a sespool of knowledge... even though it is a biohazard unit...hehe


Long live CBDs!

thanks man,,,,you make it all worth-while,,,,im flatterd

long live CBD,,,,,,,an trust me ,i wont forget about CBD or any other natural chemical i can observe

 

[N. Accumbens]

Heya englishrick... very true, it is my own fault for choosing an inter- sexed male.. actually males... citral had one... white rhino had one... martian mean green had one, hindu kush had one... the list goes on...

BUT mostly i am happy i realized that such an inter-sexed male could actually lead to non-true femme genes... though i also wondered whether such a male couldn't help me identify some sex-determined traits... because sometimes certain genetic markers will actually become linked to the alleles which determine sex... so the males in a certain line could exhibit some traits, and femmes other traits... either way i couldn't help myself and i selved the hindu kush onto itself so we should have some screwy genes soon enuff...hehe
Peace ALL!
NAcc

 

[whiteberrieS]

So I'm in the process in acquiring some seeds from one of the many popular seed breeders. My main concern/question is whether I should buy Feminised or Regular seeds. What are the main differences and is one more suited for a type of grower or not?

I dont have alot of space. I'm leaning towards going Fem. I kinda dont want to bother culling out males and such...any advice is welcome.

I hope to keep this thread going up until I buy my beans.

Go with Paradise Seeds fems for a for-sure female run of high-quality, look-im-growin-the-stuff-in-the-picture, oh how i count the weeks, experience.

As a comparison, I got Big Buddha's Blue Cheese fems, Paradise White Berry fems, and 4 Nirvana Afghani standards, and the AFGHANI is the one I'm worried about being a herme...

so it depends on what you want to do, wanna breed? or wanna smoke? quality fems take minimal investment for unlimited headstash ($50 for 1000g in 3 months? sure)
quality beans take minimal investment for a lifetime supply that requires managing, maintaining, and lots of lovin'.

i got a lot of love to give, but i chose to start off with the fems to insure satisfaction, and let me tell you I'm satisfied thus far with what I got from Paradise & BB.

p.s. i didnt read the whole thread so i dont even know if you bought your beans yet

 

[K Double O]

All this damn "hog wash" is crazy.

Go regular.

Simply put, natural selection is the key.

Besides fem'd seeds aren't hard to make once you have found your special lady.

CS any one?

 

[whiteberrieS]

i agree ,,,

for god sake keep the pure lines,,,,

stupid/greedy people have allready took dutch genetics back to areas of the world.... they can easly have allready distroyed a localized population of landrace cannabis.....

i pray i dont do it myself

what i am talking about with FEM SEEDS ,is almost GM WEED,,,dont let it OUT!!,,,,,,,GM hybridization with landrace genetics is generaly iligal,,,an i support that!!

my grow is classed as a BIO HAZARD CONTAIMENT AREA!!......an if your using Fem seeds, yours should classed as 1 too...

please remember that

but then again,,,,"outperforming is our goal"

wtf is that fo' serious???

 

[707Corridor]

Go with Paradise Seeds fems for a for-sure female run of high-quality, look-im-growin-the-stuff-in-the-picture, oh how i count the weeks, experience.

As a comparison, I got Big Buddha's Blue Cheese fems, Paradise White Berry fems, and 4 Nirvana Afghani standards, and the AFGHANI is the one I'm worried about being a herme...

so it depends on what you want to do, wanna breed? or wanna smoke? quality fems take minimal investment for unlimited headstash ($50 for 1000g in 3 months? sure)
quality beans take minimal investment for a lifetime supply that requires managing, maintaining, and lots of lovin'.

i got a lot of love to give, but i chose to start off with the fems to insure satisfaction, and let me tell you I'm satisfied thus far with what I got from Paradise & BB.

p.s. i didnt read the whole thread so i dont even know if you bought your beans yet

I'm going with Fem because Of Rick's info...for now of course this the FIRST time I have ever bought beans so...

They are on there way...I hope

 

[englishrick]

STS is better