This is exactly why I believe Ca/B vs something more mobile. Ca and B are not mobile...the newer the tissue the more pronounced the problem with these 2 elements
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Balancing Soil Minerals
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This is exactly why I believe Ca/B vs something more mobile. Ca and B are not mobile...the newer the tissue the more pronounced the problem with these 2 elements
neverforget4/20
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Slightly off topic but wondered if anyone has experience or thoughts regarding carbonatite.
@milkyjoe yes that theory makes sense. I have another plant coming down that was grown in a mix analyzed and amended using jon franks stuff. Ill chop up that stem and see what's inside.
* soil was showing 1ppm boron, 4400#/acre Calcium at time of test
@milkyjoe yes that theory makes sense. I have another plant coming down that was grown in a mix analyzed and amended using jon franks stuff. Ill chop up that stem and see what's inside.
* soil was showing 1ppm boron, 4400#/acre Calcium at time of test
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TheyCallMeJJay
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Im real interested in what you find. I didn't test my boron on the grow that I had one hollow out of 33.
The one I just took down was hollow city. And there was zero B in that soil lot
@ neverfogrt
I use carbonatite in everything. Worm casting, soil topdressing S the works.
John slack the guy behind the company is a really smart guy.
It is a staple in my garden, which reminds me I have to get some more.
I use carbonatite in everything. Worm casting, soil topdressing S the works.
John slack the guy behind the company is a really smart guy.
It is a staple in my garden, which reminds me I have to get some more.
neverforget4/20
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Thanks Bro,
Are you using any specific ratios? Any probs with pH or mineral imbalances? Soil tested?
TheyCallMeJJay
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Variable Exchange Capacity
"Humus can have an exchange capacity greater than even the highest cec clays. But its a variable exchange capacity that correlates with pH."
For those of you that have this book, what did you take away from this statement from pg 23? Actually the whole paragraph.
I'm wondering if I can keep my soil porosity high as coco and yield the benefits of a heavy organic balanced soil. Basically a 100% coco base composted long term for high humus content.
"Humus can have an exchange capacity greater than even the highest cec clays. But its a variable exchange capacity that correlates with pH."
For those of you that have this book, what did you take away from this statement from pg 23? Actually the whole paragraph.
I'm wondering if I can keep my soil porosity high as coco and yield the benefits of a heavy organic balanced soil. Basically a 100% coco base composted long term for high humus content.
R
Robrites
I think coco takes a long time to break down and get to the humis level. I read that it is tough and harder for the microbes to break down.
Can't say I test...
From looking at the mineral profiles it is fairly balanced and complete.
From my understanding the forms the minerals are in take some work by the microbes to make a valuable. Example the P is from apitite, a complex stable crystalline mineral. From taking to John slack he was saying it doesn't affect the soil in the same way. More of a reserve the something that jumps onto the soil colloid or sequestered by microbes.
The K is stored in high activity clays that release as need and increases cec in the process
From looking at the mineral profiles it is fairly balanced and complete.
From my understanding the forms the minerals are in take some work by the microbes to make a valuable. Example the P is from apitite, a complex stable crystalline mineral. From taking to John slack he was saying it doesn't affect the soil in the same way. More of a reserve the something that jumps onto the soil colloid or sequestered by microbes.
The K is stored in high activity clays that release as need and increases cec in the process
neverforget4/20
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In the case of this plant the produce was superb. If the hollowing was caused by a deficit it seems to have enhanced or had no effect on the outcome. This was a smooth, tasty flower with a quick head rush followed by a long lasting euphoric and relaxing trip.
Michael
I recently learned that feather meal has or could have arsenic associated within the feather meal itself.
I have been using 1 or 2 TBLSP of feather meal as a buried treasure in my flowering pots for years.
I don't remember exactly where I got this feather meal except it was someplace on the net organic.
Not sure ?
I like feather meal because of it's slow release 12-0-0 over a long time(3 months).
I am unsure how much arsenic can be taken up by the plant?
Do you think that the feather meal should be laid aside in favor of something else?
It seams that pretty much all meals could have bad things associated with them.
I have hopes of you dropping in to your thread every once in awhile.
Ratz
I recently learned that feather meal has or could have arsenic associated within the feather meal itself.
I have been using 1 or 2 TBLSP of feather meal as a buried treasure in my flowering pots for years.
I don't remember exactly where I got this feather meal except it was someplace on the net organic.
Not sure ?
I like feather meal because of it's slow release 12-0-0 over a long time(3 months).
I am unsure how much arsenic can be taken up by the plant?
Do you think that the feather meal should be laid aside in favor of something else?
It seams that pretty much all meals could have bad things associated with them.
I have hopes of you dropping in to your thread every once in awhile.
Ratz
canniption
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it gets worse.don't trust the stuff.
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/...ned-antibiotics-in-feather-meal/#.VtL8g3z2bIV
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/...ned-antibiotics-in-feather-meal/#.VtL8g3z2bIV
If its in the feathers do you think it is in the chickens also?
Yea don't eat the chickens.
I am of the opinion that through it's exudes the plant decides what it wants to uptake.
Once flowering is triggered and after the stretch the plants stop feeding the bacteria and starts to favor the fungi.
The plant now wants P & K.
Even if some N lingers it is no big deal.
I find that the slow release of N keeps the plant greener , longer in flowering.
I have found it to be the perfect N source especially for longer (10 weeks or longer) flowering sativas.
I think because of the arsenic associated with it I should re-think the feather meal.
Heh heh heh I am still eating chicken. though?
I was thinking that the arsenic is maybe only available for uptake at a lower pH like aluminum.
Ratz
Hey guys, thanks for the amazing read!
I am having some issues doing a switch too not relying on bottled nutes, but I think my top feeds have been way low.
My base is 1/3 promix 1/3 coco and 1/3 perlite with mushroom manure top soil and worm making up almost another even part..... I was adding 5l of premix Gia flower food and 3l pyro clay. Even with food I had too up ppm around week 3 of flower.....
Anyways I mixed up bonemeal and oyster shell flour at about 5/1 and top dresses but was worried about over doing so cut with worm castings and did 2/3 cup each in a 15 gal... They looked under fed so I added a mix of kelp alfalpha fish bone glacial rock and some of the Gia flower stuff, did about 2/3 cup but no worm this time.... Still under fed though so gave a quick blast of bottle organics... And started reading....
Anyways from what I read I am gathering a 15 gal container is 2 cu/ft so in the organics for beginners I saw they recommended up to 2 cups of bone meal, 1 cup kelp, 1 cup alphalpha, 5 cups glacial rock(?) .... Is this ok for my mix as top dress or should I lower that because of the top dress or coco content?
Also if my well water is around 7 and under 50ppm should I do 1/3 gypsum 1/3 oyster 1/3 dolomite for my calcium mg ? My other house has high mg in the water and ph up above 8 just gypsum oyster shell flour there? I like to feed heavy side with my strains especially with co2 at the one spot... But am terrified of over doing. Is it bad to do weekly top dress till mid/late flower? Was thinking calcium phosphorus one week then kelp and glacial rock the next with ratios and ingredients added to adjust nitrogen as I go....
Thanks, sorry for the jumble of questions but I have 3 spot cycling so the faster I get a plan the better! Cheers and thanks again guys this past few months has been like school for me... But fun!
I am having some issues doing a switch too not relying on bottled nutes, but I think my top feeds have been way low.
My base is 1/3 promix 1/3 coco and 1/3 perlite with mushroom manure top soil and worm making up almost another even part..... I was adding 5l of premix Gia flower food and 3l pyro clay. Even with food I had too up ppm around week 3 of flower.....
Anyways I mixed up bonemeal and oyster shell flour at about 5/1 and top dresses but was worried about over doing so cut with worm castings and did 2/3 cup each in a 15 gal... They looked under fed so I added a mix of kelp alfalpha fish bone glacial rock and some of the Gia flower stuff, did about 2/3 cup but no worm this time.... Still under fed though so gave a quick blast of bottle organics... And started reading....
Anyways from what I read I am gathering a 15 gal container is 2 cu/ft so in the organics for beginners I saw they recommended up to 2 cups of bone meal, 1 cup kelp, 1 cup alphalpha, 5 cups glacial rock(?) .... Is this ok for my mix as top dress or should I lower that because of the top dress or coco content?
Also if my well water is around 7 and under 50ppm should I do 1/3 gypsum 1/3 oyster 1/3 dolomite for my calcium mg ? My other house has high mg in the water and ph up above 8 just gypsum oyster shell flour there? I like to feed heavy side with my strains especially with co2 at the one spot... But am terrified of over doing. Is it bad to do weekly top dress till mid/late flower? Was thinking calcium phosphorus one week then kelp and glacial rock the next with ratios and ingredients added to adjust nitrogen as I go....
Thanks, sorry for the jumble of questions but I have 3 spot cycling so the faster I get a plan the better! Cheers and thanks again guys this past few months has been like school for me... But fun!
canniption
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no,they give them arsenic for internal parasites.and it passes right through to the litter.i live in the middle of Tyson country,so I avoid anything chicken related.
I have been reading on general soil. I would like to hear more about ppm levels of nutrients in the soil. I've read that 50ppm for NPK is considered fairly high. The first page of this thread suggests that 100ppm for potassium is 'normal'. Also 100ppm for magnesium, which I've read healthy soil can have 100-500ppm magnesium.
I am curious about exact ppm levels for all 17 plant nutrients, for seeds/clones, all the way up to huge giant Humboldt plants.
I am curious about exact ppm levels for all 17 plant nutrients, for seeds/clones, all the way up to huge giant Humboldt plants.
It's not a specific amount of any chemical. More of a ratio to other minerals. All of which is dictated by the soils charge
Some arsenic is acessible but at what point does it become a bad thing?
Milky is that you in the pic? If so I suggest more chicken(with arsenic) over chips and shit. Or more running? Lol jk nice buds though
Some arsenic is acessible but at what point does it become a bad thing?
Milky is that you in the pic? If so I suggest more chicken(with arsenic) over chips and shit. Or more running? Lol jk nice buds though
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I don't believe nutrient uptake tolerance isn't about the quantity at all. The ratio exists because of quantity also known as parts per million. A seedling isn't going to handle 1000ppm nitrogen at any ratio.
I'll assume you read non of this thread and just wanted an easy answer. But there is no easy answer. I can tell you your B should be 1/1000th of your Ca and shit like that. I'm glad you showed up and informed me of what ppm is or I'd have gone my whole life in the dark. If you wanna drop some more knowledge on me I'm all eyes and I'd love to get schooled up.
Got my compost analysis back. It's way better then I thought it was gonna be. Couple things are high but there's alot of room to work with these numbers....or ppm's before today it was all foreign to me but I have seen the light thanks easy7 your the best
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