Artificial Cannabis Anyone?

[Lazyman]

lol, this is just a fucked up thought

If you sold it to someone without warning, then you're 100% right. I bet that once someone tried some they would be glad to pay a little extra for it though.

I liken it to the thai sticks dipped in opium gel in Asia, for an extra couple bucks you get a double-whammy.

Anyway, I am just thinking out loud. I will probably get a couple grams of this to mess with. It sounds like one gram would be enough to dose a pound! It would only add about $3 per oz in cost.

 

[Bass Akwards]

Yahoo story ...

Yahoo story ...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100217/ap_on_re_us/us_truly_wacky_weed


This story is strange, but quite predictable.

Sounds like the start of another "Major Scare".

We're long-past the days of Any bathtub chemicals.

Whether or not this stuff is dangerous, one thing's for sure:

It Beats The Shit Out of Bogus "Oddity Buds" ... that Legal Shit.

 

[zymos]

I was into the Research Chemical scene 10 years or so ago, and while there were some great substances available, there were also several tragedies caused by both ignorance (I heard this stuff makes you trip-I'm gonna snort a big line of it!) and the fact that many people don't have the means to accurately weigh out doses in the milligrams range.

So if this sounds fun to you, please be carefull, and do your research!

 

[meduser180056]

Ill let you all know how it goes for me mine should be here anyday now. I had to get a .000 scale too.

 

[memleak]

i forsee this will go like artifical sugers

 

[Bass Akwards]

How complicated the procedure?

How complicated the procedure?

I was into the Research Chemical scene 10 years or so ago, and while there were some great substances available, there were also several tragedies caused by both ignorance (I heard this stuff makes you trip-I'm gonna snort a big line of it!) and the fact that many people don't have the means to accurately weigh out doses in the milligrams range.

So if this sounds fun to you, please be carefull, and do your research!

Careful? Research? Nahhh. Once the dimwit demographic gets their hands on it, the crap will hit the fan in a matter of weeks. Unfortunate, but sadly predictable.

Zymos, how complicated is the synthesis?

Are the raw materials already scheduled?

Bottom line question: Is it more difficult or more dangerous to make than methedrine?

If the bathtub boys can "shuffle by", and produce "analog soup" of this stuff, things could get really weird, really fast.

How long before the Mexicans are involved?

Can they beat the Hillbilly's price?

Stay tuned.

 

[flatcurve]

Zymos, how complicated is the synthesis?

Are the raw materials already scheduled?

From what I can tell, yes it's complicated. And it looks like Indole is required for the manufacturing process, and that is VERY regulated because it is a precursor for a lot of different pharmaceuticals and illicit drugs (notably ecstacy and LSD. can be used to make meth too, but there are easier ways that don't require it)

 

[zymos]

Careful? Research? Nahhh. Once the dimwit demographic gets their hands on it, the crap will hit the fan in a matter of weeks. Unfortunate, but sadly predictable.

Zymos, how complicated is the synthesis?

Are the raw materials already scheduled?

Bottom line question: Is it more difficult or more dangerous to make than methedrine?

If the bathtub boys can "shuffle by", and produce "analog soup" of this stuff, things could get really weird, really fast.

How long before the Mexicans are involved?

Can they beat the Hillbilly's price?

Stay tuned.

Apparently you know nothing of the "Research Chemical" market.
These were substances made by actual commercial labs that were under the radar enough that they can get away with selling them, usually until someone got around to making them specifically illegal.
See for instance, the books "PIHKAL" and "TIHKAL"- dozens upon dozens of syntheses there, that several enterprising labs took advantage of.

I have no idea what the scene is like today, and I know that even back then there were laws stating that analogs to illegal substances were themselves illegal.

Mexicans, Hillbillys, bathtubs?...you ignorance is showing...

 

[Bass Akwards]

Mixed Under Gas - Blow It Out Your Ass

Mixed Under Gas - Blow It Out Your Ass

Apparently you know nothing of the "Research Chemical" market.

As an actual "market" ... no.

Euro-trash psychotropics aren't a speciality.

you ignorance is showing...

"You typing is showing."

 

[crownedsparrow]

This, to me, is like someone brewing bath-tub style prison wine while sitting atop a perfectly good 12 pack of beer...

Why go out of your way to procure something ridiculous when you probably have a perfectly good bag sitting on your coffee table?

People are never satisfied with standard methods of altering consciousness it seems.

First off, its made in chemical labratories in china, not "bathtub brewed"
I have some jwh and its pretty cool stuff if for no other reason than as a substitute for those who:
1. have drug tests
2. dont have access to the real thing.

I would recommend every weed head to order a gram while its legal, cause it will be illegal very soon. It is very interesting stuff. 4x more potent than thc. tastes not good. can tell when sprinkled on weed. boarderline psychadellic when smoked too much, and develops a tolerance with daily use as with any chemical. jwh 018 is the best but also the only one I have tried alone not on a smoking blend.

fyi ppl buy this shit nonstop at my headshop.. fuggen 41 dollars a gram, 81 for 3 g

 

[reckon]

No thanks. I think I'll stick to the green stuff.

:

if you can't pluck off a chunk, dry it and then smoke it, I won't do it.

you guys can have ALL of the "powdered weed" you like

I'll never touch this crap.

 

[crownedsparrow]

def not for the closeminded

 

[reckon]

def not for the closeminded

I wouldn't call it closed minded as I'd call it EXPERIENCED.

you take a natural plant product and REFINE or SYNTHESIZE the psychotomimetic, or biologically active ingredients and you ALWAYS run into trouble (herion, ephedra, sucrose, yada yada)

if you want to use your own body as a chemical test lab for untested refined purified extracts, go right ahead

personally I think QWISO, clean dry sift and BHO are pure enough,

why go make "THC heroin"?

are we THAT "bored" with killer dank?

 

[Hammerhead]

I would never try this as well. There are just to many unknows

 

[meduser180056]

Mine arrived, but I'm being responsible and waiting for my .000 scale to arrive before I try some. I'm very tempted, but I've read too many horror stories about people eyeballing out too much and having anxiety/fear paranoia attacks. I've even read of overdoses that caused salvia/dmt like trips so not something to fuck around with even though I'm going to. haha

I'm gonna start with .001 which is like the size of a couple of grains of table salt and work up from there. Mine looks really pure powder white.

 

[Bass Akwards]

White Powder Made In China?

White Powder Made In China?

Anyone who trusts their neural circuitry to a white powdered substance from a lab in China has our deepest sympathy.

Even the most careful titration can't remove unintended nasties.

Best of luck ... .

 

[cyberwax]

This, to me, is like someone brewing bath-tub style prison wine while sitting atop a perfectly good 12 pack of beer...

Why go out of your way to procure something ridiculous when you probably have a perfectly good bag sitting on your coffee table?

People are never satisfied with standard methods of altering consciousness it seems.

No, the reason is they make money of it legally. And if it gets banned they just add another molecule and its something different, that way they can always make money on it, until the goverment forks up some worthy laws, atleast fair ones so we can grow in peace!

 

[crownedsparrow]

I dont need your deepest sympathies.. Guess I am willing to take different risks than you are. I even eyeball it when I smoke it! lol. there is really no need for sympathy "better than thou" talk. Heres a medical study for you guys interested
http://www.mindfully.org/JWH/JWH-018/JWH-018-Toxicity-Results.htm

 

[Dr.Dank]

is this anything like marinol? I used to get this stuff from cali but i rather have herb 100% of the time.

 

[m00nchild]

BE FOREWARNED!!! These China companies have no quality assurance department. They would laugh at you if you asked them if they did. The companies that sell the JWH's also tend to be the same companies that sell the 2C's and the 5-MeO's, and so forth... You won't always get what you ordered. To put this in perspective, here's an example:

You order a gram of JWH-018 from a chem house only you didn't take the time out to see what ELSE they manufacture or sell. Meanwhile, they also actually manufacture an array of other research chemicals, mostly the 2C's. They accidentally put a gram of 2CT7 in there instead, since, well, they are a gray-market business that doesn't have anyone checking over them or anything like that. You receive said package and open it up, dump it on the counter, and proceed to eyeball out a dose that is less than 10 mg. But because eyeballing is dangerous, and is only acceptable with chemicals that are known to be very safe, where a slight overdose won't do any harm, the 10mg pile is actually about 23-25 mg. You decide, instead of smoking it, that you want to be cool and snort it, because that's what your favorite rapper or other pop culture hero does with his or her drugs, so you snort up a 25 mg rail of what you think is JWH-018, but it turns out to be 2CT7. You then have an excruciating, nightmarish remaining hour or two of your life before you die, and the doctors don't even have time to help you because they don't know what you took. Hell, YOU don't even know what you took.

The End.

Sorry to sound so alarmist, but history repeats itself, and I've been around for multiple repeats of the research chemical market's ebb and flow of sales. Everything that I mentioned up above is based on true stories. People have died in exactly this manner before, with various chemicals, and it can happen again. Remember, this isn't a question of the JWH research chemicals being good or bad, safe or not... it's about the dubious manufacturers of said chemicals not having any compelling reason to have quality assurance in place to prevent you from getting the wrong chemical. Why should they, either? You clicked a box when you ordered it stating you weren't purchasing these chems for human consumption.

I'm not even going to say "Be careful" here, because, well, I'm a fan of Darwinism and there are too many people on this planet right now, so... Have fun everyone.