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Are WE Slaves or not?

leaddraft

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Hat-tip to Eric Peter....



Debating the merits of a particular government policy or proposal with authoritarian-minded political opponents is pointless – if you’re hoping to persuade, at any rate. Far better to ask them a few apparently simple questions – and force them to confront the disquieting answers about the authoritarian nature of the political and social system they support.

For instance, you might ask what their view of slavery is. Is it morally wrong to own another human being? Probably, they will say it is wrong. Now ask: What does it mean to be a slave? Usually, they will tell you it means being the property of another. Now ask the killer follow-up: What does it mean to be the property of another?

Point out that it means having control over another person’s life – control of his actual person, his body. His mind, even.

To be in a position – to be entitled – to use violence to enforce compliance.

A slave is not at liberty to act as he wishes to act. He must do as he is told – and if he does not, he can expect physical punishment and that punishment will not be considered assault. The slave must accept his punishment.

There is no appeal, no recourse. He must bow low and submit – or risk the repercussions, which ultimately include death.

His only hope is escape.

The slave, most obviously, owns nothing – because he controls nothing. He may be allowed to use things. But the owner of these things – himself included – is someone else. Someone else gets to say yes – or no. When – and where. How – and how much. The slave has no real say – in that he is never in a position to say no. Not without consequences raining down upon him.

He merely obeys. Because he must obey.

The fact that his hands may hold the scythe does not mean the scythe is his. The fact that the effort of his body cuts the wheat does not mean the wheat is his. He is permitted to keep a portion. In principle, because in fact, the slave owns nothing that may not be taken away from him. At any time, for any reason. And he is powerless to do anything about it.

The slave’s dwelling, the clothes he wears – even his very body – are subject to arbitrary control against his will by another person or persons. This is the essence of what it means to be a slave.

Be sure your opponent accepts these points – which he must accept, because to not accept them is not unlike refusing to accept that 2 + 2 = four.

Now ask him whether he (or anyone else he knows) is free to determine the course of his own life. Or do others set down terms and conditions which he must obey?

Is he free to do business with whomever he chooses to do business? Or is he told exactly with whom he must do business – and under what conditions?

May he travel freely? Or is he required to travel with permission – and only under certain conditions? Must he carry ownership papers with him wherever he goes? And is it not true that if he is caught without these papers, he is subject to arrest and imprisonment for that reason alone?

Is he free to raise his children as he considers best? To teach them as he sees fit? Or must he teach them things others decree he must teach them?

Is he even free to choose whom to marry? Or must he submit to the authority of others in even this most personal of life’s choices?

Is he free to defend himself when accosted by strangers? Or must he submit to these strangers, if they wear a certain type of outfit? (Did not the overseer also wear a certain type of outfit?)

May he own things?

More precisely, is he permitted other than conditional use of things? For instance, that which he may think of as “his” home. If it is in fact “his,” then surely that means no one else has legal claim to it and cannot take it away from him once he has paid the original seller in full. Ask him about the large payments he must make to others every year, forever, in order to be allowed to remain on “his” property. Remind him that plantation slaves also had homes – in the sense that they were allowed conditional use of dwellings. Dwellings ultimately owned by someone else. The slaves were permitted to use these dwellings so long as their labor provided enough return to the true owners of the dwelling. A slave who refused to work – who declined to make payments in the form of his labor then (and tax payments now) would soon discover who the true owner of “his” dwelling really was.

Just as today.

Ask whether he is compelled to give up whatever portion of the fruits of his labors others decide they are entitled to – and how this differs from the slave in the field being forced to pick cotton for the benefit of others . . . . Ask him what he thinks will happen if he declines to hand over the fruits of his labor… .

Ask whether he is at liberty to do as he wills even with his own poor body. May he freely choose to treat his body’s ailments as he sees fit? Or will he be chained and jailed if he treats himself in other than the “lawful” manner?Ask whether he knows that he may be forcibly taken from his home if he declines to be “treated” in the manner prescribed by others.

Who, then, owns his body? His very person? If I have the power to compel you to do – or not do – then is it not a fact that to some degree at least, I am your owner?And in that case, are you not a slave?

The control need not be vicious or even mean. The owner of a beloved dog is no less the owner of the animal by dint of the fact that he treats it kindly and tends to its needs. The dog is not at liberty to come and go as it pleases. It is allowed to use certain items – an old sofa, for example – and not other things. It does not own anything.

It is owned.

Neither did the plantation slave own anything. And many had benevolent masters – for example, Thomas Jefferson – who tried to treat them with kindness, as they saw it. Who saw themselves as parents of subnormal adult children in need of guidance – and restraint. This benevolent treatment, however, in no way made the slaves other than slaves.

Behind the gentle guiding hand, always the whip.

As it is today – with the exception that today’s slaves are unaware of their condition and imagine themselves to be free. Its subtlety is its genius. Instead of individual plantations, there is one consolidated plantation called “our country.” But we are owned nonetheless.

It is immaterial that we are not normally chained… if the chains may be put on at the first hint of disobedience.

That we are allowed use of more (and nicer) things than the slaves of the past does not in any way change the fact that they are just as owned (because just as controlled) by someone else – and may be taken away at any moment, if the true owners so choose.

Our cotton fields are the cubicles of the modern office; our overseers called by different names. But their job is what it has always been: To make sure we toil, submit and obey. And if we do not… .

Well, we all know the answer to that one.
 

waveguide

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it would have been funnier if you'd misspelled it "are we slavs?"

yes, yes we are.. and unfortunately, people love their trappings so much they will fight to keep them.

you try and get boomers to stop listening to rock n roll. still listening to the same records over and over. course, they don't see the harm in it. do some research on project monarch in regards to the entertainment industry.

"maybe that bowie feller was monarch but not pink floyd or led zeppelin! and not the local guys" lol

leary was c.i.a.

"we will lead every revolution against us" - theodor herzl

the ENTIRE entertainment industry.. good cop, bad cop.. two puppets, one master. america, since before columbus.
 

BlueBlazer

What were we talking about?
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Scottish Research

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Are we slaves? Yes, and it's only going to get worse. Just wait.

The thing is, humans always wait until the last minute to change

We were able to kill off and incorporate the Neanderthals so there is hope.

Here is the order:

Homo Sapians
Rats
Cockroaches

I'm on a roll tonight.

R.Fortune
 

theclearspot

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Are we slaves? Its a linguistic question; we are enslaved in our language. Unfortunately the prevailing language is 'representative democracy' , 'freedom' defined in narrow terms by voting in a little box. We need to redefine 'freedom'- it isn't in the modern vernacular. We need a phenomenological shift in definitions , like Heidegger.
 

BudToaster

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as long as i have to pay for electricity -- which could be free, which should be free -- the answer is: yes, i am.
 

PoopyTeaBags

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theres only been a few hundred years in human history that people have been free... and i might not even count them years but they are by far the free'est weve ever been. as for us no... we have been slaves are whole lives.
 

PoopyTeaBags

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it would have been funnier if you'd misspelled it "are we slavs?"

yes, yes we are.. and unfortunately, people love their trappings so much they will fight to keep them.

you try and get boomers to stop listening to rock n roll. still listening to the same records over and over. course, they don't see the harm in it. do some research on project monarch in regards to the entertainment industry.

"maybe that bowie feller was monarch but not pink floyd or led zeppelin! and not the local guys" lol

leary was c.i.a.

"we will lead every revolution against us" - theodor herzl

the ENTIRE entertainment industry.. good cop, bad cop.. two puppets, one master. america, since before columbus.

leery was deff cia and the whole "movement" was ocrestrated imho.. just a huge expirement on people and lsd for mind control.. .yet hes still revered as a saint... kind of baffles me.
 

habeeb

follow your heart
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"The slave, most obviously, owns nothing – because he controls nothing."

entirely not true..

-you own your soul, no one else can. Which is worth more then all the riches of material of this world.
 
Is that FS? I slept on that dude's floor and now he is doing this? oh my! :D anyway, who-who-ha-ha or woo hoo hoo or whatever they say, I am too far gone to deside which but we are all slaves except those who choose to live outside the system right?

How do you escape a global system without a space ship? When they come for you how long do you think you can hide?
 

dagnabit

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We are slaves to our own ignorance and apathy.

The so called "99%" are securing their iphone 5 on preorder with a discount for a 3 year contract...

Thats all you really need to know about the how and why of our slavery.

Is one a "slave" if they willingly trade their freedom for baubles and beads?

Can one really complain about lack of control over themselves when they willingly abdicate that control so they have more time for snookies honey boo boo?
 

draztik

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The monetary system is used to enslave us. Taxes are used to enslave us. Working hard at a job for fiat paper money ($) controlled by a private central bank is modern day slavery. I agree with poopyteabags, we have been enslaved a long time. The new slavery is high-tech and scientific. These sociopaths seek to control every facet of our day to day lives. We are cattle on the ranch, sheep on the farm in their eyes. They want society to be dependent on them, a global nanny state. They control the concept of money. They engineered a controlled economy with free trade and the rigging of stock markets. They control the food with their GMO seed and petroleum based agriculture. They own and control the media. They control your perception of reality by dictating the norms of society through television, magazines and newspapers. They control the energy industry. They control the education system, science, technology and the medical field. They own and control the pharmaceutical industry. They own the military industrial complex. They own our government. And they own us.
 

trichrider

Kiss My Ring
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honey badger don't care...

far from being free, still one mean son-of-a-bitch.

payback brothers and sisters.

we owe them payback.
 

sso

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i find it hard to claim anything but that we are slaves.


i cant choose my own medication, in fact i will be punished if caught doing so.

i cant grow certain plants without fear of punishment.



along plenty of other telltale facts that we are slaves, but those aside, even only this, is a suresign that we are not free.


besides, my view of the government is that those are employees of mine, hired to take care of business. (making sure this and that operates.)

not to be my fucking misguided parents.
 
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