Are big facilities going to put basement grower at unemployment?

[Veg N Out]

Legal in hawaii makes me want that 633 acres above rainbow park even more..

 

[dagnabit]

The intent is FUCK YOU
Not help
Its a call to return to sovereignty....

Thats how its used here

If you were wondering haha

Thanks for official description

im not sure the locals have thought out the repercussions of independence in modern society.
king kamehameha is gona be slinging hala kahiki and pakalolo to buy oil...

 

[Greyskull]

Are big facilities going to put basement grower at unemployment?

Yeah right huh dusty? Haha
Can you imagine?

Dagnabit...

Instead of english we'd would be speaking japanese is the otherside of the coin

One of the many 'other sides' haha

Legalization here would be a boon
And a poll shows the people are 57% in favor... The governor is in favor...

 

[dagnabit]

^people think california is perfect for producing herbs...
real highland kona herb is said to be fantastic...

 

[Veg N Out]

I need to come back and pitch a&b for a job...

 

[Alone]

If only my shitty electrical in my apt could handle 4 lights.
I can only run 2- 600's for the last 3 years..... and this is my only job.
Im gonna try, and I repeat TRY, to add a 1000w to the 240v from my stove connection just for this last winter grow.
Believe me when I say....Im a broke-ass motherfuker.
Im just glad I live in a state where its $50 an 1/8 - $100 a 1/4 - $300 to $350 an oz, or Ide be homeless. Sheeeiiiiiiit....Im almost there now.
Last grow I didnt even cover costs because of a low plant count without enough veg time.
Unless your running 6 lights, its almost pointless to grow for a living.
I truly hope dispenceries open up around me so I can work for them full time.

 

[monsoon]

We have dispensaries here where you can work all day for minimum wages... and street prices are $200 a bag. Sound good? If so...then keep hopin for dispensaries to open in your area. They will KILL your market and if you think it sucks now, wait til yer growing and sitting on all you grow because you can't move it.

 

[localhero]

The way I could see legalization working for the people and keeping it out of the hands of big corps would to be to set limits on grow space. something like 1500sf indoor and 1/2 acre outdoor. sure people will bypass the laws and grow in larger space or on multiple plots, but it will keep the big dogs out and the mom and pops in and out of jail. free up leo to bust those big cartel grows to protect american capital. prices will level off but never fall to the point where growing it would be unprofitable.


Thats how i would do it anyways.

 

[HempKat]

I've read most of this thread, and from what I see nobody has posted this information, but my apologies if it has. This is quoted from the WA state liquor control board website:



And a producer and processor CAN be one individual holding each license simultaneously. About $2700/lb...

Not much of a difference in price in the state of WA when it comes to regulated vs. medicinial vs. black market. It's just going to be a matter of overhead, depending on the nature of rules and regs, and of course the 25% tax at each level - although I believe that 25% is only a pretax at the retail level. But don't quote me on anything further than what I've quoted from the liquor board website!

Not that this seems to have a whole lot to do with big business taking over, but in a way it does. The high rate of 25% tax at each tier of the system, combined with comparing legal retail prices to current medicinal or black market street values.... well from what I understand and have heard, this system is set in a way to not segregate big business from the "basement grower." It's going to come down to quality of product and managing overhead, for those of us whom decide to pursue a career in legal marijuana production.

That's assuming the feds don't shut this shit down...

But all of those rules and regs are still being worked out. As yortbogey posted a thread in the Washington state forum, the liquor board is holding open public forums for public opinon on setting up the system. I think I will be attending next month...

You can check out the WA liquor control board website for more info, for what it's worth...

http://liq.wa.gov/marijuana/I-502

OH - and who wants to apply to be a garden enforcer? Haha... What a job that would be....



It'll be very interesting to see how this all unfolds, no matter what happens!

Sounds like an interesting approach. Especially if they really do keep it where anyone can have a chance at producing if they're good enough. I figure though that whatever we see in these early stages state by state won't hold true once it goes national. Some of it may but pricing isn't going to be that much different right now because it is still illegal federally. So just like the street dealer insures himself against the risk of what he/she might lose, so too will these legal suppliers want to insure themselves against the Feds doing like they did in California with the dispensaries. If we just keep popping up in various states and state by state develope individual systems then once it's legal nationally poorer states will likely try to take business from richer states by setting their rules and pricing more lieniently to entice customers and businesses to their state.

Bottomline for me is that when it becomes legal in my state and/or nationally I am only worried about individuals being allowed to grow a reasonable amount for personal use both indoor and outdoor. Beyond that any of us small time basement/closet growers that happen to sell most or all of what they produce to get by, well you'll likely be able to keep doing that if you've been doing it smartly. The biggest problem for you will be continuing to have customers to sell it to. If you've been doing it smartly you've limited yourself to just a handful of people at most that you sell to, the fewer the better. They buy in bulk at a wholesale price and then they're the ones that sell it off in smaller amounts at a higher price. You loose some profit but you gain staying off LEO's radar. You usually also gain being able to count on how much money you'll get. When you're selling smaller amounts to random people at a higher price it's more difficult to know when you'll have all your money and exactly how much unless you're extremely disciplined.

I would say this though to any small basement/closet grower. You never should put yourself in a situation where you depend entirely on growing if you can help it. I'm not saying that in a judging way because I know sometimes like with how our economy is right now, it can't be helped. It's just not practical though because god forbid you come up on LEO's radar if you get busted you're screwed or if you're lucky enough to not get busted by shutting down and stopping your grow, you're still screwed you'll just have the benefit of still being free to try to unscrew yourself. Anyway if it does go legal nationwide things likely won't go well for you. You're going to have to change in some way. Whether it be by becoming a much bigger grower then you are now, like pretty much a fulltime marijuana farmer with a few acres of crops as well as a large greenhouse/nursery operation or you're going to have to find a new way to support yourself. You've got time unless you're in a state that's gone legal already. So make the best of the opportunity you got now to try to move you in whatever direction you want to go. Try not to just continue to just get by and be caught unprepared when the time comes. If I'm wrong you'll still be able to do what you've been doing but you'll at least have more options and if I'm right then you'll be able to get by legalization unscathed.

 

[HempKat]

If only my shitty electrical in my apt could handle 4 lights.
I can only run 2- 600's for the last 3 years..... and this is my only job.
Im gonna try, and I repeat TRY, to add a 1000w to the 240v from my stove connection just for this last winter grow.
Believe me when I say....Im a broke-ass motherfuker.
Im just glad I live in a state where its $50 an 1/8 - $100 a 1/4 - $300 to $350 an oz, or Ide be homeless. Sheeeiiiiiiit....Im almost there now.
Last grow I didnt even cover costs because of a low plant count without enough veg time.
Unless your running 6 lights, its almost pointless to grow for a living.
I truly hope dispenceries open up around me so I can work for them full time.

I forget what the device is called at the moment, never used one myself but they sell them at hydro shops. They basically plug into 240v outlet like for a stove or washer and turn it into 2 120v circuits capable of handling several lights (not sure of the power limits) I've seen one at a friends that was powering 3 600W lights, fans, humidifier and a portable ac with room to spare and each outlet you could plug into had it's own timer. With one of those you should be able to run two 1000's with no trouble. Your only worry should be that since you're cutting things so close would you be able to cover the additional electric usage until you got a harvest and made some sales? That and affording one of these devices although one for your size isn't that bad. Oh and they're called "Light Controllers" (duh) here is a link to one that might be a fit for you to give you an idea, this one could handle your two 600W lights plus 4 more lights and still have two more outlets for fans and temp/humidity control devices. Example Light Controller

 

[flubnutz]

it'll be just like booze, during and after prohibition. you can bet big aggie is getting ready now.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Oops... I was never here...

 

[huarmiquilla]

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positive vibrations

 

[Yes4Prop215]

does anyone have a list of guidelines that most states are setting up for a facility to be federally legalized, how are the laws in colorado...

with regards to zoning restrictions and other rules about WHERE you can set up to grow?

and the laws regarding WHO can enter this business? i know in CO theres something called the "2 year" rule which says you must be a CO resident for 2 years before opening an MMC, with no previous felonies.

and then lastly all the permit fees...i heard from "riverrock" one of the CO mega farms that the permits alone reach into the 100k range, with 18k fee just to fund the code enforcement team..



im trying to guestimate, IF its legalized in california, i know for a fact that you wont legally be able to sell meds grown in a basement with illegal wiring and not tested for pesticides, etc....so wondering if one should be investing in commercial property with the potential to be leased to federal legalized farms, OR invest in flat agricultural acreage instead...

and then im concerned with "acreage limits".....usually in every other business, there is no acreage set limit. you can grow wine grapes for profit on 1 acre or 1000 acres. im hoping that marijuana wil not be some "only able to grow mass production on 160+ acre parcels"....similar to the butte county law where 20 acre plots are only allowed 24 plants, but 160 acre plots are allowed 99.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I think it will be like beer. You have the big names, Miller, Bud, all using poor ingredients but producing large amounts of consistent product. People buy it because of huge marketing campaigns and it tastes good enough to throw back quickly and get drunk. I can see big companies doing the same thing with marijuana: A consistent product that gets you nice and high, but ultimately tastes meh and is not that interesting. But it's cheap.

There will be room for smaller, microbrew-type growers, who grow specialized hybrids (or pure landraces) for connoisseurs who are willing to pay a bit more. Actually, seeing as the genetic diversity for cannabis is greater than the diversity for beer and wine, the potential for specialized growers in the market is even greater.

Ill put up my small batch craft stouts against budweiser shitty lagar any day - and that goes 2x for my herb. big biz can produce their shit weed for all the white trash and ghetto kids to smoke in blunts and metal pipes - i dont give a fuck.

--BhT

 

[localhero]

and then im concerned with "acreage limits".....usually in every other business, there is no acreage set limit. you can grow wine grapes for profit on 1 acre or 1000 acres. im hoping that marijuana wil not be some "only able to grow mass production on 160+ acre parcels"....similar to the butte county law where 20 acre plots are only allowed 24 plants, but 160 acre plots are allowed 99.

unfortunately this is probably what will happen. sativa farms in so cal and indica up north. anyone or any cabal with enough money to bankroll the high cost of qualifying and advertising a cali prop, will want to set the rules of the game in their favor.

I cant imagine the security required for a 1000 acre plot. for big farma to want to set up grows that large, im sure federal legalization would be more palatable for profit potential. otherwise, if theyre confined to instate commerce with their giant grows... there will still be money to be made.

 

[dagnabit]

unfortunately this is probably what will happen. sativa farms in so cal and indica up north. anyone or any cabal with enough money to bankroll the high cost of qualifying and advertising a cali prop, will want to set the rules of the game in their favor.

I cant imagine the security required for a 1000 acre plot. for big farma to want to set up grows that large, im sure federal legalization would be more palatable for profit potential. otherwise, if theyre confined to instate commerce with their giant grows... there will still be money to be made.

wont happen w/o fed legalization..
no entity with a national or multinational presence will operate solely on state legality.
to big a target for rico.

 

[DIDM]

Co Op eration



when we work together we can achieve way more than on our own, eh?

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

There u go:
http://www.tweed.com/pages/about-tweed

What next for Tweed? what if make homegrown illegal now?

And this is just a start I guess, soon enough more and more will pop up and create lobbies to make homegrown illegal ! Wait and see....

 

[The OrigF/clred]

Its time to turn to the darkside
and go back to our roots - illegal sales.
its like riding a bike. not very hard.


basically to stay afloat we're gonna need to turn the clock back.
hop in the delorean, get too 88mph, and hold on.


now, with that, theres another complication.

every single clone thats being passed around right now and sold in clubs and on craigslist and all that shit... what do you think those big production giants are going to be pumping out? the same fucking thing. they are going to grow what the people have been buying. they are not going to try to create a new niche right away they are gonna take that niche thats there and make it theirs. they will eventually create their own private label buds. after some market research lol its just business and how business is done.

if youre making your bread and butter off of some clones that are readily available (commonly grown & passed) at the drop of a hat, well, youre fucked. I mean, you can still do your best to produce better qualilty end product, but your price point is sure going down the shitter with mass availabilty of said buds. sorry. I used to try so hard to think the opposite of that. NOPE. you might be able to scratch something out of growing the same ol same ol. but thats about all.

if you got something no one else has, thats the key. exclusivity is going to be the key to staying afloat for the small time guys. having your own niche to fill, to harvest revenue from, is how its going to be. if you have something nice and youre the only one with it, its only gonna stay nice while you have it. once it floats out the door consider it in the hands of monsato, or whoever else you want to label the bad guy. might as well let them drop a huge net into your stretch of river and take all your fish so you have nothing to eat...

its nice to share and stuff, sure. and the road to hell is paved with good intentions, too....
thinking has to change with the times....

just my thoughts and ideas while im sitting on a rock in the middle of the ocean.....

good luck everybody

aloha

X2 - you hit it on the head