Are big facilities going to put basement grower at unemployment?

[Fred el Gato]

Smoker,Mustard and Weird all bring up some valid points for those of you in the front line states. They already screwed WA with not being able to grow your own. Time to really think about what you really want because once its done, its hell to get it undone.

 

[Tonygreen]

I like my hand trimmed buds and not machine raped nugs going around everywhere. Won't put me out!

 

[Canniwhatsis]

There's no way that big business can truly strong arm out the basement growers like myself here in Co.


The Cartels are already here and plying their trade,... have been since medical was legalized, probably before!

But even they can't do anything against a basement grower,... anything that's legal anyway! And an all out turf war over a product tends to get both businesses involved in deep legal shit! Even the cartels don't want that.


I saw someone else post my same sentiment, microbrews exist right next to big brews in the beer market. I see no reason it would be any different with micro (aka basement) cannabis grows!

 

[mean mr.mustard]

microbrews exist right next to big brews in the beer market.

Sam Adams owns less than 1 as in ONE percent of the beer market.

 

[SouthernSmoker]

There's no way that big business can truly strong arm out the basement growers like myself here in Co.


The Cartels are already here and plying their trade,... have been since medical was legalized, probably before!

But even they can't do anything against a basement grower,... anything that's legal anyway! And an all out turf war over a product tends to get both businesses involved in deep legal shit! Even the cartels don't want that.


I saw someone else post my same sentiment, microbrews exist right next to big brews in the beer market. I see no reason it would be any different with micro (aka basement) cannabis grows!

ok you just keep thinking that way !! Big business could care less about a 10,000 dollar fine per day if in violation of a regulation can you afford it ?
To many infractions they will take your license if they will even give you one for cultivation for retail sale in the first place, can you afford to fight it in court and tie it up for along time without any income comming from your basement ? Big business can !!

As far as micro brews alcohol was legal for many many years before they changed the laws to allow the small breweries to open and sell on the retail market . I know i was part of getting that law passed in my state and was part of opening the first brewpub in my state !!! The regulations on breweries and brew pub are very strict and very expensive ! The first brewpub in my state spent 3.5 million to open !

The point I am trying to get across is that if you don't get your laws and regulation to allow you to grow and sell your wares and be in compliance with the regulations then you are not legal and the courts will not show you mercy after this is set up . So voice your opinion to your Representative and to the committee and get it where you are legal !! If you want to stay underground then that is your choice .

 

[Canniwhatsis]

Yeah,... and is doing well for themselves no?



What about Avery Brew out of Boulder (personal favorite) There building a whole new building and brewhouse because they've outgrown their current location! That in the face of "Big" brews like Bud and Miller. Most Bud and Miller drinkers wouldn't like most of the Avery beers,.... just the same as the common pothead college kid swilling PBR is happy as a clam smoking warehouse buds.



When I got on doing this gig part time as a caregiver for 3 patients,... I asked em all how much they used,..... I then tried to make sure I could keep up with demands. One said he'd been smoking 2oz a month of the standard warehouse dispensary buds,.... tall order for 6 plants, but I made it work! Got him his first 2z's,.... then didn't hear much from him for over 3 months! I thought he'd gone elsewhere. But it turns out that my quality had cut his usage drastically!!!! Warehouse buds, he'd smoke a whole bowl to get where he needed to be to work for an hour, hour and a half...... mine, 2 puffs and set for 3-4 hours.

Got the same review from my other patients,.... one was even sharing hers with 3 other patients in order to help the others save money towards bettering their situations!


My point is that there's a certain level of quality that comes from small production run kind of work that blows away the mass bulk farms ability to crank out garbage for cheap to those who don't know better!



And thus, there will ALWAYS be a market for the basement grower who takes pride in his/her growing!

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I suppose we will all get the chance to see.

See I am an optimist... of sorts

 

[lost in a sea]

you cant out compete the freemasonic breweries but you can produce something unique that they dont want the average swill drinking caveman on the factory floor to have access to..

 

[Canniwhatsis]

ok you just keep thinking that way !! Big business could care less about a 10,000 dollar fine per day if in violation of a regulation can you afford it ?
To many infractions they will take your license if they will even give you one for cultivation for retail sale in the first place, can you afford to fight it in court and tie it up for along time without any income comming from your basement ? Big business can !!

As far as micro brews alcohol was legal for many many years before they changed the laws to allow the small breweries to open and sell on the retail market . I know i was part of getting that law passed in my state and was part of opening the first brewpub in my state !!! The regulations on breweries and brew pub are very strict and very expensive ! The first brewpub in my state spent 3.5 million to open !

The point I am trying to get across is that if you don't get your laws and regulation to allow you to grow and sell your wares and be in compliance with the regulations then you are not legal and the courts will not show you mercy after this is set up . So voice your opinion to your Representative and to the committee and get it where you are legal !! If you want to stay underground then that is your choice .

I totally agree! It's not going to be an easy road, and a multinational conglomerate may be able to pony up the fines, where I'll be hard pressed to get the license. But that's not going to in any way shape or form "StrongArm" me out of my grow!

For now I grow for the enjoyment of growing. I wasn't allowed to sell it before, never had to,... I'm still not allowed to sell it. I still don't have to.


My buddy's who home brew, can't and don't sell their brews, tho some of them should!

 

[SouthernSmoker]

I agree there will always be a place for the small grower !! so why not get it in the laws so that you can produce you quality product legally and sell it with out fear of being prosecuted for it .
I am not trying to become a mega warehouse producer i enjoy smoking and producing quality and want to be able to do it with out the recurring dreams of the man in the black mask crashing through my door . With out fear and with state approval ..
from what i am hearing the laws will be set only for mega warehouses and you will not be able to sell your product legally at all just like you can not sell to a dispensary.

 

[Canniwhatsis]

you cant out compete the freemasonic breweries but you can produce something unique that they dont want the average swill drinking caveman on the factory floor to have access to..

+1000!!!

 

[bombadil.360]

why would it not be possible? you control the environment indoor into anything you like, you can add more lights, heaters to make it 90+ degrees all year around. or put AC, led lights, air cool light and make the room 70 degree all year round. Add water for humidity. its extra work but I don't see why its not possible.
you might only grow enough to produce a few grams at the end. but it should still work.

go and try it out, only way stubborn big headed kids may learn; emphasis on 'may' since it seems your ilk chooses to believe in their own empty rethoric rather than educated facts.

be sure to report back with your accomplishments though.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

surely you must be kidding...

it'd pretty funny to see someone trying to grow coca plants indoor...
it'd be like seeing someone trying to make a dolphin live up on a tree and a monkey living under the sea with the little mermaid.

Erythroxylem Novo plants are legal to have in most places, all that I know of as if the UN law as applied to E. Coca was applied to E. Nova, coca-cola would be illegal everywhere so Nova is not in the schedules generally.

So basically, what, you don't have your own coca trees growing with your mommas? Why not..I hear that they just love large daylight spectrum energy saver bulbs and I hear that they thrive in promix without lime. Hate lime. The seeds are freely available on the inter-web, just make sure they are shipped fresh in the bean, off the plant in a sealed baggie with moist sphagnum moss. Most will germinate in the post and you too will have your own little bit of peru in your herb garden

And BTW, governments' telling you what you can do with your own body is a travesty of your human rights either and any which way you look at it. And the fact that it is just done to protect big business' profits in the 'health and drug' industry is just sick. A perfect example of the sick and depraved side of the human condition. The more good men than DO NOT stand by idly, the better for humanity at large as far as I'm concerned.

 

[bombadil.360]

you cant out compete the freemasonic breweries but you can produce something unique that they dont want the average swill drinking caveman on the factory floor to have access to..

oh please...

freemason or not; do you not agree that cannabis is still an entheogen? not for everyone either.

lost count of so many peeps quitting smoking herb and being scared and in deep panic after smoking a few tokes of a no ceiling highly psychedelic cultivar I had... that herb marked the end of their smoking.

on the other hand, there were other people who loved that herb, traveling deep into their own consciousness without fear and just pure joy.

why do u think even shamans do not share their entheogenic recipes with anyone? because they are freemasons? lol...

obviously, the population of primitive minded cave men are not fit for that kind of substance use.

one other reason why legalization seems far away...

the ic growers in the Netherlands can attest to how many peeps simply stopped toking because they could not handle it.

peace

 

[bombadil.360]

Erythroxylem Novo plants are legal to have in most places, all that I know of as if the UN law as applied to E. Coca was applied to E. Nova, coca-cola would be illegal everywhere so Nova is not in the schedules generally.

So basically, what, you don't have your own coca trees growing with your mommas? Why not..I hear that they just love large daylight spectrum energy saver bulbs and I hear that they thrive in promix without lime. Hate lime. The seeds are freely available on the inter-web, just make sure they are shipped fresh in the bean, off the plant in a sealed baggie with moist sphagnum moss. Most will germinate in the post and you too will have your own little bit of peru in your herb garden

And BTW, governments' telling you what you can do with your own body is a travesty of your human rights either and any which way you look at it. And the fact that it is just done to protect big business' profits in the 'health and drug' industry is just sick. A perfect example of the sick and depraved side of the human condition. The more good men than DO NOT stand by idly, the better for humanity at large as far as I'm concerned.

don't try to school someone born and
raised in the Andes about coca cultivation.

Colombian labs lust after bolivian leaf, highest quality leaf due to specific micro climate conditions.

if u could sucessfully grow coca indoors, Colombia would be the leader and pioneer of the industry, and would not need to import from Bolivia.

amazonian grown leaf is so shitty in terms of alkaloid content that it is almost non profitable to even bother with it. and u wanna say u can grow coca indoors... yeah, ok...

 

[komboloi]

I think there have been many unsuccessful attempts to grow coca indoors and also outdoors but outside the traditional habitats. I've not heard of a single success. And you KNOW there's enough $$ at stake for it to be worth some serious trying. That tells me that something just doesn't work when you try to change the terroir of the coca.

People can grow poppies or tobacco in their backyards, grapes along the fence, weed in their basements, and 'shrooms in a closet. But I don't know of any successful private cultivations of coca in NA, Europe, or Oz or indoor anywhere. That tells me something.

Or maybe no one has yet found the key? It can't be for lack of trying. Not with that much $$ at stake.

 

[bombadil.360]

komboloi, thank you for your post, there is still hope! there still are intelligent non-deluded individuals out there, yay!!!!

some kids, like cannabest, think their own uneducated guesses on the matter are more accurate and right than all the trials and errors of actual practical experimentations on the matter done by big money, but hey, what can u do? they're gonna still think they know better.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

U can. It is just the limiting factor of cost versus the profit which is quite low for producers for leaf (Peasants trying to get by). The real profit lies in the ephedra root production in china cuz they cut that shit up sooo heavily anywhere in the world these days. Most users have never ever had the real stuff, for real. Just grow em mama with your mammas for yourself for tea, wine or other and the 'lighting cost' is negated but this is off topic. Actually the Eurolux 85w daylight spectrum CFL is loved by the nova's I DO HAVE ( just search google to buy seed), as well as coir/perlite/castings mix they live in and they get fed by a simple hydro one part nutrient at about 1 EC (eyeball mixing 5l at time with teaspoon) and get one feed for every 2 or 3 waterings at least. It is definitely possible and makes a great tea that is very good for you, there are sites dedicated to how to do it on the net and with the resources to plant, just look around.

It is just prohibition that made it profitable enough to do it for dope. Dope flowers are worth far more gram for gram than coca leaf under prohibition. Takes 200g of leaf for 1g of HCL, at $5 a g at source retail in south america, every buy decent weed for $5/200g? That's why it is 'impossible'. Which is also what legalizing weed will do. Which is fine by me as it is a waste of fossil fuel power and the sun is free and it is unfair and unjust to want others imprisoned for exercising their rights just so that fellow growers and evil drug companies can continue to make biased profits.

 

[bombadil.360]

mary, you are talking non sense.

if coca could be grown indoors, tons of peeps would be doing it. you also seem a bit confused as to what exactly a coca plant actually is. chinese roots? wth lol

lets leave it at that, since we're ruining a thread with off topic stuff plus coca discussions is a tou violation.

peace

 

[megayields]

Flame!

Or perhaps the phrase 'Go directly to jail, do not pass go,,, do NOT collect $$$s', is preferable?

So please do consider yourselves properly 'flame broiled'.

64 Passed.

Now go figure out how to make a living with your skills,,, hopefully w/o having to worry about handcuffs. Unless they are fur lined of course.

FYI - I'm completely legal "in my grow"

In fact I just set up a room for a deputy sheriff that lives across the street from me for his wife........now how I market it...well....