Are American and Canadian growers biased against Dutch breeders and seedbanks?

[BENJI]

We can agree to dis-agree but enough of the name calling and insults be civilized people, in the end we are all here for the same thing this beautiful plant, I care more about the direction it is headed in rather than who has the best or who is the best or who created what it doesn't really matter all that matters is the future, with that being said i think all growers are biased towards each other you cant single out countries just growers we are all growing the same plant we just live in different parts of the world...

 

[teemu shalanie]

i have been a victim of dutch seed companys before, having a super weak skunk#1 from white label , also got a super shit big buddah blue cheese, however i did get a killer white deisel from whitelabel. but i got a p.k cut from the westcoast that has lived up to its reputation, dutch just dont got the power right now, maybe they will make a come back? love if canada legalized it and we could have all the dutchies come over and smoke pure kush, bubble hash ,budder,etc, then maybe they would belive in the great white north.

 

[elmanito]

i have been a victim of dutch seed companys before, having a super weak skunk#1 from white label , also got a super shit big buddah blue cheese, however i did get a killer white deisel from whitelabel. but i got a p.k cut from the westcoast that has lived up to its reputation, dutch just dont got the power right now, maybe they will make a come back? love if canada legalized it and we could have all the dutchies come over and smoke pure kush, bubble hash ,budder,etc, then maybe they would belive in the great white north.

You can better say the 'Dutch' don't have the patience to breed in a right way to bring forward good varieties, although there are some exceptions of course.Legalizing marijuana in Canada will be difficult with Harper as prime-minister right now, but Canada is indeed a good place to come over to smoke some very nice sativa's.

Namaste

 

[DocLeaf]

You can better say the 'Dutch' don't have the patience to breed in a right way to bring forward good varieties, although there are some exceptions of course.

Like Sensi Seeds / cannabis castle ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR9GRK9vrlU

Several Dutch companies like Positronics,, Flying Dutchmen,, KC Brains,, and No Mercy Supply ,,, have grown/bred seeds in such vast numbers they didnt take the photos in case they got caught!

These same Dutch breeders pioneered the global seed industry.

 

[gigante]

Yea...I grew up in Munich and went to German schools when I was younger (non-military family).

FYI-- I am about as "liberal" a democrat as you will find, but let's call a spade a spade. There's def a good amount of ignance on this side, but there's also a good amount of hatin'/jealousy from many over there. All Americans are not stupid. Last summer, I took my family to the Greek "hillbilly" mountainous area surrounding Thessaloniki and it occurred to me that there is a population of non-sophisticats in any greater population. I personally love Europe, have married a European wife, and will retire there.

But enough about me.

Have you been anywhere outside of Western Europe?
Peace and Respect.

Yes, of course. In US for example. And i like Americans a lot, actually living with two of them atm. And you`re right, there is baseless hating from many poeple. Thats the fate of empires. But on the other hand just let me say truly without being jealous, that quite a bit of the great us scientific research is rubbish. High profit orientated without anymore sense to quality or humanity. Thats the point im criticizing, its not against individuals or us-citizens. So call me a socialist if you want

 

[mrwags]

I've posted in here that I have family in Kentucky that grow some of the finest herb I have ever smoked and they didn't learn how to do it from a book or here from IC because neither of them can read.

What I see here is a difference of opinion but the funny thing is with some of you it's been that way for over 6 years now so why in the hell do you guys still try? If it has not worked by now chances are it is not going to. It kinda leads me to believe you like it, obviously or else you would use the ignore function and never have to worry about it again.

Now understand I'm sitting here on the fence and shaking my head in disbelief. Some of you have been around these MJ sites longer than some of our new members have been alive and yet you all still act like children SHAME ON YOU.

If you had a strain that no matter what you did grew out hermie would you still use them? I bet not so why after all these years to you still continue to rip off scabs of past altercations?

I know for a fact that some of you who are disrespecting each other have in the past HELPED each other so now this is how you repay each other once again SHAME ON YOU.

You guys are bickering over stuff that happened years ago and I simply ask for the better good that you all do it in private or else don't do it at all PLEASE.

This he said she said BS is good for a Jerry Springer show or maybe a session at the Shark Tank at OG but don't really see a need for it here at ICM.

Please and Thank You
Mr.Wags

 

[ureapwhatusow]

its all your foolish ethnic pride tbh

how can i dare say that

my mother was a spanish immigrant, my grandmother and grandfather spoke both dialect

my father's father was an italian immigrant (surgeon) and he married a german.enlish immigrant

i was a component of so many pure blood ethnic households growing up that all I knew was that :variety was the spice of life:

and exlcuding my one grandmother and most of the sisters, brothers, aunts and uncles cousins and the such were pure blood

what was the one phenomenon I noticed

Is the family you grow up with becomes your default standard for ethnic pride somewhere in your ego

not in a bad way, be it spanish, italian, english or german there wasn't a part of any ethnic that didnt have soehting wonderful to be proud of

the difference is i grew up with diversity so there is not just one face that is associated with my first great experiences but a blend of them

so if your a pure ethnic, when you go back into your memory and look for your barometer of greatness from past memories (say for food) your gonna see a face wiht your ethnicity on it

i hope that wasnt too klugy

and really put your logic to the test, try to think about it from that perspective

in the words of richard pryor when commenting on racial diversity, "their ain't no bad p****, if you think you got some bad p**** you bring it here after the concert and im ill inspect it for ya"

 

[headband 707]

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Well f'ing said El Presidente!

Best weed I ever smoked was in Mexico and I bought it from a little old woman in a market in a tiny shithole of a town where I was the only gringo for miles around, they didn't even speak Spanish.

WELL WELL WELL finally you say somthing I can agree with jk lol

I read the other day that some of the strongest strains in the world were going to come out of Mexico/ Asia You know how many seeds of Mexicain pot I threw away LOL damn !!! peace out Headband707

 

[supermanlives]

i do buisness with everyone.

 

[ureapwhatusow]

i have been a victim of dutch seed companys before, having a super weak skunk#1 from white label , also got a super shit big buddah blue cheese, however i did get a killer white deisel from whitelabel. but i got a p.k cut from the westcoast that has lived up to its reputation, dutch just dont got the power right now, maybe they will make a come back? love if canada legalized it and we could have all the dutchies come over and smoke pure kush, bubble hash ,budder,etc, then maybe they would belive in the great white north.

See it begs the question

A) were the seeds in the "white" box package really from the breeder exactly as represented

B) was it a re-breeder, aka someone making f2's from a the best from a few pack of seed bought from the original breeder, or are they holding the original lineage

C) what is making them white pack in the first place, its cheaper for what reason?

i have always gotten rediculous results from any seed bank, but the agenda was far different

i never looked for seed, i was choosen by the provider because they had faith I would have success getting it through a complete life cycle

there was never money involved to make it lucrative to misrepresent them to me

so its not an insult in any manner just an observation

if you get a pack of shitty seeds give the breeder a chance to verify if your results were indeed atypical

their response is normally a tell tale of whether they have and thus by proxy their seed, any integrity

my observational experience

 

[ureapwhatusow]

the biggest fallout of this thread is that people are confusing breeding with creation of a new life form

its an apples and orange debate IMHO

take these points into consideration

there are hybrids of parallel value to land race strains

will a land race Columbian variety x say a land race variety from Panama not offer some phenos with parallel traits as its parents if not in the same composition?

let e give you how people all contribute in different ways

all the breeders that preserve land races, so the diversity we were born to enjoy is preserved for the next generation

those who seek to capture the rare pheno of any strain hybrid or land race for the benefit of others

makers of hybrids that seek to make strains that better meet our needs and wants

those who have the humility to know that weed was its own successful organism before man was here. and that at best out interaction with the plant can only give it was it needs to do what it already does best are the leaders in any of those groups

anyone who thinks there some sort of Dr Frankenstein or master of all things living cause they have made any name for themselves in the weed game is a fucking delusional 110%

breeding out or creating a life changing strain is amazing but you did not recreate life, you bred the easiest growing plant in the field of flora

its all the other variables that can be used a a gauge of relative success

most people who succeed in the pot game do so cause they add value or break market paradigms in every other way but REINVENTING THE AGRICULTURAL WHEEL

fuck id love to see any "pot" breeder or grower, who changed the fucking world in this market change to another existing flower market and use just their green thumb to carve out a niche in one of those

like the dutch tulip market or the rose market or many others

not dissing anyone but the taking credit for the marvels of the pot plant is whats spinning everyones perceptions in the first place

we make up the rest of the market and that has nothing to do with the plant

those who are relative about these factors seem to be the best

food for thought

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Amazing posts, ureapwhatusow, I couldn't agree with you more.

"fuck id love to see any "pot" breeder or grower, who changed the fucking world in this market change to another existing flower market and use just their green thumb to carve out a niche in one of those." My teacher is exactly that person. He originally wrote this book; "Growing Marijuana in New England (and other cold climates)" sometime around '72 under the pen name Peter Oakum. I don't want to tell you his real name, but I will say that he is a highly respected agricultural academic in charge of one of the worlds most priceless and ancient bonsai tree collections.

 

[teemu shalanie]

lucky guy getting free beans , i think white label seeds is just the company name? not 100% . for sure , i think the blue cheese i was after is from barneys farm rather then big buddah. had a couple friends whose opinion i respect who loved the dutch cheese. most of the time the seeds were brought home for me, so i didnt have much of a chance to question the breeder, The breeder probably just thought he was hooking up a couple more touristos, and not actually a grower.whatever the case it was long ago.
all i was trying to say is that the dutch owned the past,however new genetics seem to be comming out of the usa and canada that are very kill'n it!

 

[Karma Genetics]

 

[elmanito]

all i was trying to say is that the dutch owned the past,however new genetics seem to be comming out of the usa and canada that are very kill'n it!

Hummm, that's new for me.Thanks for the info bro.

Namaste

 

[yoss33]

"new genetics" Like NEW and 2-in-1?

 

[VagPuncher]

Question, why are dutch seed prices dropping so much?

 

[headband 707]

whats wrong with this picture? lol

whats wrong with this picture? lol

i can take 10 tokes of allmost any weed i smoke and be smashed,,,,

It's supposed to be one toke and be smashed..??

 

[Thule]

It's supposed to be one toke and be smashed..??

Never really understood that. I like the process of smoking, I don't like being fucked up after one toke. That would be a bad smoking experience to me.

 

[Tom Hill]

Ureap,

Hey guys,

Any foolio can breed a wrinkled pea, a pink tulip, a tomato to look like this or even taste like this or that when eaten, corn that does this or that or taste like this or that. However, to breed cannabis that has the above and "X" effect when smoked??? Well, we are talking about another category altogether, and I mean x many. Anybody can breed a dog or a person for that matter to look like this or that, now, breed a dog, nay, an entire litter of working dogs who all exhibit the CHARACTER that gives the ability to perform this or that and now you understand the complexity of the mountain that you are mistaking for a molehill. Not that anybody's changing the world, lol, but it kinda sucks to see anybody belittle the subject matter. -T