Green Squall
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No, I sprayed in the evening and lets just say I used a lot more than a drop. It didn't adversely affect my tomato plants, so I didn't think twice about using it.
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No, I sprayed in the evening and lets just say I used a lot more than a drop. It didn't adversely affect my tomato plants, so I didn't think twice about using it.
Dankwolf
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Hoping you are spraying striat water for awhile?
also you might want to cover soil when getting soap off plants . Dawn / soap in that kind of concentrate will kill off all good microns in soil . So tarp potters around roots and wash them girls . Hoping the best for you . If I can help more pm me
Green Squall
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More applications probably won't be necessary. The amount of aphids I noticed was very minimal and I sprayed just to be safe. Concerning covering the soil, we had intense rain yesterday, so that ship sailed. All I can say right now is lesson learned. I need to think things through more before I act in the future. Lets just hope they don't die. They're afghan landraces and I'm really looking forward to making hash out of them.
Dankwolf
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Rinse that soil thoroughly!!!!
Best way to learn unfortunately. Won't do it again though.
Great outdoors
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Personally I have never had a need to spray plants outdoors. A few bugs here and there are not a problem and nature's balance should keep things in check.
The caveat to this is you need healthy fast growing plants with high brix levels. A struggling plant is a pests paradise.
The caveat to this is you need healthy fast growing plants with high brix levels. A struggling plant is a pests paradise.
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Not sure about that.....
Where I grow it is in the 30's all summer with a week or two in the low 40's which I am experiencing now. Humidity levels are fairly high as well.
I see more pests when temps are cool and the soil microbiology activity is limited, giving the plant less food and making it weaker and more susceptible to pests.
Different problems with different weather. Cool wet weather is the worst, especially for fungus. Some strains hate it more then others. I'll take hot and dry with cold nights. Hot and humid is bad when you get the weird fungal spot type stuff or root rot. A lot depends on individual strains. The worst dry and hot I've seen is when the surrounding vegetation dries out and dies and your plants become an oasis for the bugs. But the same goes for predators, if you give it a lapse of two weeks to build up population. I've had aphids and leaf hoppers all year. I welcome the little bastards because it means the predators will be right behind. Now they're almost gone and my plants are crawling with spiders and ladybugs.
If I'd sprayed early it would mean I'd have to spray again every couple weeks, right up until flowering. Artificially weakening the plants. The bugs keep moving in from the surrounding vegetation, in greater and greater numbers. You want their immune systems to be stimulated by a few sap suckers before flowering, it creates greater resistance to fungus and bacteria. The trick is growing strong plants in the first place. Weak clones are sitting ducks, I usually go with seedlings. Clones and/or seedlings it's nice to have a bug and slug-free sheltered place to get them up to size and vigor, maybe a foot or two. Once they get that big they'll outgrow almost any menace. If you end up with an infestation type situation (caterpillars in Cali for instance) you can always spray and the stuff now is lethal enough to cut the population down to size. But in all my years of outdoor growing I've only sprayed fungicides, for PM and boytritis because of wet weather . Every other problem manages itself.
I read this is a bad year for grasshoppers in the western USA. The government is planning on spraying the most pesticides they've sprayed since the 1980s. Pisses me off they're resorting to obsolete methods of control. The reasoning is that it will keep food prices low. I see their point but nature needs it's boom and bust cycles. A boom year for pests means a boom year for predators. The house sparrows have disappeared from my property this year, my cat misses them greatly. Birds need glut years of bugs for their reproduction cycles. We're in a mass bird and insect die-off and the answer is to spray more pesticides when the problem is caused by the pesticides. Very short-sighted management strategy. If the individual farmers opt to spray their fields to save their crops from the grasshoppers, they should go for it. I probably wouldn't but it's their property, their livelihood. But mass spraying of public and private lands is stupid.
If I'd sprayed early it would mean I'd have to spray again every couple weeks, right up until flowering. Artificially weakening the plants. The bugs keep moving in from the surrounding vegetation, in greater and greater numbers. You want their immune systems to be stimulated by a few sap suckers before flowering, it creates greater resistance to fungus and bacteria. The trick is growing strong plants in the first place. Weak clones are sitting ducks, I usually go with seedlings. Clones and/or seedlings it's nice to have a bug and slug-free sheltered place to get them up to size and vigor, maybe a foot or two. Once they get that big they'll outgrow almost any menace. If you end up with an infestation type situation (caterpillars in Cali for instance) you can always spray and the stuff now is lethal enough to cut the population down to size. But in all my years of outdoor growing I've only sprayed fungicides, for PM and boytritis because of wet weather . Every other problem manages itself.
I read this is a bad year for grasshoppers in the western USA. The government is planning on spraying the most pesticides they've sprayed since the 1980s. Pisses me off they're resorting to obsolete methods of control. The reasoning is that it will keep food prices low. I see their point but nature needs it's boom and bust cycles. A boom year for pests means a boom year for predators. The house sparrows have disappeared from my property this year, my cat misses them greatly. Birds need glut years of bugs for their reproduction cycles. We're in a mass bird and insect die-off and the answer is to spray more pesticides when the problem is caused by the pesticides. Very short-sighted management strategy. If the individual farmers opt to spray their fields to save their crops from the grasshoppers, they should go for it. I probably wouldn't but it's their property, their livelihood. But mass spraying of public and private lands is stupid.
Reading this has me worried, I normally give the plants a dose of neem oil when I plant them out, but forgot this time. That was three weeks ago and we've had a fair amount of sun and rain since then I really can't justify going up there just for a spay.
Last season I was very cavalier about going up there but this year I'm a bit more weary, I think because of how sketchy it was bringing the harvest down.
Probably not a bad thing as I have a tenancy being a helicopter gardener and over watering.
Last season I was very cavalier about going up there but this year I'm a bit more weary, I think because of how sketchy it was bringing the harvest down.
Probably not a bad thing as I have a tenancy being a helicopter gardener and over watering.
40degsouth
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Why would you spray if there’s no problems??
40.
BTW Therevverand,
how’s those 5Gs Royals crosses going??
Cheers,
40?
40.
BTW Therevverand,
how’s those 5Gs Royals crosses going??
Cheers,
40?
Normally just a dose of neem to avoid any unwanted issues down the road.. But I take your point... I guess it makes me feel that I've done something useful.
Great outdoors
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Gotta love the no till deep mulch system. 3 days no water in the low 40's C and loving it.
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Reaching for the sky at it's finest
Mithridate
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Update on old skunks seeds:
Soaked 24hrs then tried to germ them in paper towels, nothing after 6 days.
last time I had to crack them open one by one.. so that's what I did tonight.
Spent 3hrs pre cracking them old seeds
Now groooww my precious lol
Edit on 7 2 21 around 24hrs later there are 15 that grew a tail, they were planted immediately and put under t5s.
I did not count how many seeds I started with but I would guess between 300 and 400. Target is 100 skunks out or 25-33% germ rate.
I will give them as much time as they need to germ, but the plan is to put a first batch out as soon as possible!
I'd be surprised to find a real male within this line, all I know is these are from outdoors plants that hermied in 92 or 93
Last year's germ test showed 1 full blown herm and 1 male looking freak out of ten plants. I had nice stuff flowering then and experiment had to be partially trashed.
(I still have 1 female from last year
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Edit2 7 6 21 so the first batch was a bust.. about 15 seeds emerged front the dirt.. so I went and got another vial of skunks..and I will follow protocol this time, I'm really bummed about it.
Leaving them in the paper towels for 5 days without pre cracking then was a biiiig mistake to say the least.. anyway onwards we go
Soaked 24hrs then tried to germ them in paper towels, nothing after 6 days.
last time I had to crack them open one by one.. so that's what I did tonight.
Spent 3hrs pre cracking them old seeds
Now groooww my precious lol
Edit on 7 2 21 around 24hrs later there are 15 that grew a tail, they were planted immediately and put under t5s.
I did not count how many seeds I started with but I would guess between 300 and 400. Target is 100 skunks out or 25-33% germ rate.
I will give them as much time as they need to germ, but the plan is to put a first batch out as soon as possible!
I'd be surprised to find a real male within this line, all I know is these are from outdoors plants that hermied in 92 or 93
Last year's germ test showed 1 full blown herm and 1 male looking freak out of ten plants. I had nice stuff flowering then and experiment had to be partially trashed.
(I still have 1 female from last year
)Edit2 7 6 21 so the first batch was a bust.. about 15 seeds emerged front the dirt.. so I went and got another vial of skunks..and I will follow protocol this time, I'm really bummed about it.
Leaving them in the paper towels for 5 days without pre cracking then was a biiiig mistake to say the least.. anyway onwards we go
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St. Phatty
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What's going on with those tiny seedlings ?
Same soil etc.
They only get morning sun.
Only one thing I can think to do ... transplant into a larger pot.
Great outdoors
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Looks like a lack of oxygen for the roots. Repotting to a larger pot could only exasperate the problem. Take a thin stick, shish kabob stick or something similar and poke a bunch of wholes right through the medium to aerate it. And make sure you let it dry out.
St. Phatty
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See how I'm using the 1 quart Yogurt containers ?
There are a few holes drilled in the bottom for drainage.
I could drill more holes - or transplant into 1 or 2 gallon.
Good suggestion though, A more Perforated look for my 1 quart starter pots, coming right up.
A good experiment, drill more holes in the bottom & side & see what happens.
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I am talking about making holes in your actual dirt for aeration, not adding drainage holes though that wouldn't hurt either.
Mithridate
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What the paper towels method looks like when you forget about them. Easily 2 or 3 days past their prime.
I'm going to plant them in a tray like you would transplant hairs on a skull.
Most should survive.
Do not try this at home. Hahaha
~250 lifesavers
Edit: planted everything that I could, ended up with, I would guess,180++.
no go were discarded, so were those with very skinny taproot.
I could not trash the discarded ones, they'll have a chance to fight in the gulag aka the last 2 inches of the tray, those that make it till next week will get to see the sun
GG
I'm going to plant them in a tray like you would transplant hairs on a skull.
Most should survive.
Do not try this at home. Hahaha
Edit: planted everything that I could, ended up with, I would guess,180++.
no go were discarded, so were those with very skinny taproot.
I could not trash the discarded ones, they'll have a chance to fight in the gulag aka the last 2 inches of the tray, those that make it till next week will get to see the sun
GG
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Mithridate
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