any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

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[PetFlora]

Interested to hear how people feel this compares to the orginal KISS method (Maxibloom all the way through). I'd really like to use V+B but it's harder to get than Maxibloom and unlike Maxibloom it sounds like it'll require the use of RO water for best results - I'd prefer use tap if I can.

The best control is to begin with pure water. Who knows what hardness quality is in your tap

It's available on line and delivered fairly fast. Stores can carry it

 

[Lyfespan]

I'm like Cheffy & use RO formula with RO water , but my kid uses the tap water formula with his tap water at .8 EC in coco at the same feed schedule i do & is having great results .
so short answer .... Yes .

veg ... 1.0 EC max
flower ... 1.4 EC max
at 5.7 to 6.1 PH

if your new to coco , treat it like soil untill roots are established in the pots of coco , then you can feed daily .because it CAN be over watered unless the roots are established !

dans dont you just love that fact, it makes it the best hempy medium imo, when temps are up i can feed some girls twice a day, dont know if the girls are actually drinking it all or evap, results are crazy from soil thats all i know

 

[whiteberrieS]

What do you guys think I should start the feed on @ day 12 12/12 w/ HD formula? .8 should be good for their first dose of the V+B eh?

 

[rives]

Interested to hear how people feel this compares to the orginal KISS method (Maxibloom all the way through). I'd really like to use V+B but it's harder to get than Maxibloom and unlike Maxibloom it sounds like it'll require the use of RO water for best results - I'd prefer use tap if I can.

Get a water test done, or if you are on a utility, get a copy of their testing results. Periodic testing is mandatory for public utilities, and the results are frequently on-line or available for the asking. There are numerous companies that test water samples (Hydroponic-Research used to offer the service, not sure if they still do).

Water testing should really be the first step when you start to grow. I fought borderline deficiencies forever until I got a water analysis and started using the calculator in my sig line. Nutrients are compounded based on "average" water, which works fine if your water is "average"!

 

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[rives]

Probably sulfur and iron. The calculator lists the necessary macro and micro nutrients, and there is information about what levels are needed for our plants. There is a place to put in the values for your water as well as the guaranteed analysis data for the nutrient, and it will calc out the end result for amounts that you use/enter.

 

[dansbuds]

never could figure out them damn nute calculators

 

[dansbuds]

dans dont you just love that fact, it makes it the best hempy medium imo, when temps are up i can feed some girls twice a day, dont know if the girls are actually drinking it all or evap, results are crazy from soil thats all i know

i doubt i'll ever get away from coco ! its just that much better than most mediums (other than water ) for growing big plants in small pots

soil is what ? 1 ounce of bud per gallon of medium typically , coco is 3 ounces per gallon & i've even gotten as much as 4 per gallon

i'm intrigued by the Ebb & grow system that a couple buddies are using & might try it , but i'll keep my coco system going too .

 

[brainzfuxed]

Random question but it's regarding then+size product. Would this product replace flora series bloom from GH or the +size a bloom booster that is totally different?

 

[rives]

never could figure out them damn nute calculators

It takes a bit of time and effort to get competent with it. It's just a spreadsheet, but you need to figure out how things are interrelated. I find the damn thing invaluable anymore - it takes all of the guesswork out of the nutrient side of things.

 

[slowandeasy]

For anyone who cares, I am trying the RO version again, this time on 3 Space Bombs. I vegged them with the 6/9 + magical and silica if needed for pH. Straight Canna coco. I just flipped all 3 two nights ago....and using the RO version at 1.1 EC. Last run the Space bombs seemed to get a slight cal-mag def in flower with the modified 6/9. Since V+B has more calcium and mag than 6/9...if figured I would bust some RO version to see if it does better than 6/9 on this strain and see if it is my lighting,one of my tents I'S all LED...WHICH CAN MAKE Plants more magnesium hungry. I will share the progress weekly. Peace.

 

[DJXX]

For anyone who cares, I am trying the RO version again, this time on 3 Space Bombs. I vegged them with the 6/9 + magical and silica if needed for pH. Straight Canna coco. I just flipped all 3 two nights ago....and using the RO version at 1.1 EC. Last run the Space bombs seemed to get a slight cal-mag def in flower with the modified 6/9. Since V+B has more calcium and mag than 6/9...if figured I would bust some RO version to see if it does better than 6/9 on this strain and see if it is my lighting,one of my tents I'S all LED...WHICH CAN MAKE Plants more magnesium hungry. I will share the progress weekly. Peace.

def add some cal mag in coco...i use the Botanicare Cocogro and the girls like it....the LED's just rock with some added...i am all LED now and have upped the food 25%...man these LED's are the way to go....trich production is way better...another thing, i always add half the recommended amount and then ease them to a higher amount...DJXX

 

[slowandeasy]

def add some cal mag in coco...i use the Botanicare Cocogro and the girls like it....the LED's just rock with some added...i am all LED now and have upped the food 25%...man these LED's are the way to go....trich production is way better...another thing, i always add half the recommended amount and then ease them to a higher amount...DJXX

You will notice more Trich production and different bud structure vs HPS. I Have rooms with both. Some plants do better under HPS VS LED. my Cheesequake yields way more with HPS. For other strains my LED do better. Harvest times vary with LED AS WELL. sOme straight s finish sooner...some take longer vs HPS. I Personallythink the plants prefer having LED IN combination with other lighting...it helps me to see better too! BTW how much cal-mag you using?

 

[Lyfespan]

You will notice more Trich production and different bud structure vs HPS. I Have rooms with both. Some plants do better under HPS VS LED. my Cheesequake yields way more with HPS. For other strains my LED do better. Harvest times vary with LED AS WELL. sOme straight s finish sooner...some take longer vs HPS. I Personallythink the plants prefer having LED IN combination with other lighting...it helps me to see better too! BTW how much cal-mag you using?

woul;d belive that its not the strain, but the environment and the LEDs.

lets start with the color of light being used, what colors are dominant in the spectrum being made. with mag turning the leaves a nice bluish purple, im kinda thinking that its color issue.

what else are you guys with the LEDs seeing? i heard about whiting too

 

[Lyfespan]

noticing big time difference in structure and color from using the V+B and this new dry bulk line.

V+B seemed to grow a pine cone bud or more conical pyramid, yellowed down a lil slower, having 8 N, had me start my water only a week earlier. i cant comment on smell or taste as i had a hellper help me out and spray Azamax on my finishers last time so some had a funny spicy taste, even with a week to go?

this new dry stuff has less N for the final weeks and im actually finishing too fast, with the recommended doses, the buds are tight squat look like tits, the stardawg, threw big round brain buds this time.

i of course am still learning the affects of the NPK elements at different times to effect growth

 

[slowandeasy]

noticing big time difference in structure and color from using the V+B and this new dry bulk line.

V+B seemed to grow a pine cone bud or more conical pyramid, yellowed down a lil slower, having 8 N, had me start my water only a week earlier. i cant comment on smell or taste as i had a hellper help me out and spray Azamax on my finishers last time so some had a funny spicy taste, even with a week to go?

this new dry stuff has less N for the final weeks and im actually finishing too fast, with the recommended doses, the buds are tight squat look like tits, the stardawg, threw big round brain buds this time.

i of course am still learning the affects of the NPK elements at different times to effect growth

Not sure why anyone would spray buds with ANYTHING with only a week to go? Azamaxx has NEEM oil in it, which will carryover taste, smell, flavor of the oil when spayed anytime in flower. I would even rather harvest a week early vs spraying my plants....but to each is own. Good luck!

 

[DJXX]

You will notice more Trich production and different bud structure vs HPS. I Have rooms with both. Some plants do better under HPS VS LED. my Cheesequake yields way more with HPS. For other strains my LED do better. Harvest times vary with LED AS WELL. sOme straight s finish sooner...some take longer vs HPS. I Personallythink the plants prefer having LED IN combination with other lighting...it helps me to see better too! BTW how much cal-mag you using?

on the cal-mag i add 10ml per gal...its Botanicare's Calmag..been thinkn about doin a 6 LED and 6 HPS in flower to see how the plants respond...i read in the past the Sativas like a brighter and hotter light...you ever heard that?....man my yield and strength is the determining factor and i think its totally LED for me..wait til i get them dialed in too...i am still a newb with them...DJXX

 

[slowandeasy]

on the cal-mag i add 10ml per gal...its Botanicare's Calmag..been thinkn about doin a 6 LED and 6 HPS in flower to see how the plants respond...i read in the past the Sativas like a brighter and hotter light...you ever heard that?....man my yield and strength is the determining factor and i think its totally LED for me..wait til i get them dialed in too...i am still a newb with them...DJXX

I use Magical....and 10ml per gal is too much of that stuff per gal for sure. I bought a little California Ligtworks LED when they first came out. I was impressed right away. I hnow have more LED than HPS lights in my gardens. But trust me, some strains just like the good old HPS.

As for Sativas liking more heat and light, In general Sativas are from tropical regions originally...so in general your statement may be true. But in my years of gardening I have learned by watching my plants reactions. For example, I have a sativa like growing SpaceBomb, The buds look better and are more. Dense under my 900 watt LED...but the same plant seems to geta little light shock under HPS.

Lamp distance is crucial for best results with LEDs, a matter of a few inches makes a major difference in results. My Cheesequake yields way More under HPS vs LED, most likely from the penetration of the HPS vs LED. The lower buds on LED plants are pretty useless, whereas all of my HPS lower buds have nicer density. Once a plant gets large enough to shade the lower branches at all, the LED plants undergrowth doesn't get enough penetration

 

[PetFlora]

Pulled first plant from this grow this morning. It's 1/5 from Med-Man Silver Skunk BC. 3 of them are similar being smallish sats, but fast finishers @ 5+ weeks from first pistils.

This one is 18" with only 4 down low side branches. The longest branch that I thought was seeded was pulled yesterday She was grown in my DIY bubbler. She got one week of ~ 300ppm, mostly +Size, but finished before I could run straight water

She has a sweet smell

Note the small root ball.

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I now have space to better see the BBCC. She's ~ 24" diameter and 28" tall
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The next pic is the 2 Mystery Seeds (the could be Jack H, White Widow, or el Nino. Looks like the tall one on the right is el Nino. These both popped 7+ days behind the others

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I will separate these 2 so each has it's own bubbler