Any carnivores here?

[genkisan]

I believe that the introduction of meat protein into our ancestor's diets is what allowed our species to evolve our large brain structure and cognitive ability, according to evolutionary biologists and anthropologists...

Actually, most theories point towards EFA's (essential fatty acids) as the main cause of our complex brains...not just animal proteins.

EFA's come primarily from fish.


And what our ancestors ate has zero relation to the factory-farmed, anti-biotic pumped syntho-flesh that you buy in the grocery store.

Our ancestors could eat meat because it was hunted, not raised in ways that destroy the very planet that supports us.

Factory farming for meat is responsible for over 50% of groudwater pollution and over 50% of diesel fuel use in the US. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.....there are many many many more reprecussions of the factory farmed meat issue.

If yer gonna eat meat, at least spend the extra cash and buy organic from a small farm, where the impact of raising the animal is minimal, and the animal had an ok life.

Eating meat produced in the death factories of the modern meat industry is a serious moral crime, IMHO........as Isaac Bashevis Singer said:

"For the animals, it is Auschwitz every day"

If yer gonna do it, at least do it right.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Very true Genkisan... Plus all the hormones, anti-biotics and misery makes for a bad taste and lots of toxins...

Also if you eat lots of red meat and skip out fresh fruit and veg your bowels will get clogged up with rotten bits of meat that poison your system and can cause bowel cancer...

 

[genkisan]

Very true Genkisan... Plus all the hormones, anti-biotics and misery makes for a bad taste and lots of toxins...

Also if you eat lots of red meat and skip out fresh fruit and veg your bowels will get clogged up with rotten bits of meat that poison your system and can cause bowel cancer...

Indeed...because we have convoluted intestines that average 6 times the length of our bodies.....which are made for the occasional meat meal at best.


REAL carnivores have smooth intestines that average 3-4 times the length of their bodies, kidneys that can deal with huge amounts of protein and livers that can metabolise cholesterol....unlike humans.


Ever seen a cat or a wolf with diverticulitis or arteriosclerosis??

 

[buckeye-leaf]

come over and tell my dog he doesnt get no more meat see how far you can run

 

[pieceofmyheart]

The healthiest way to live, IMO is all things in moderation. We need lots of fruits and veggies too.

 

[Speeding Mullet]

I was just about to break out the "all things in moderation" saying. That would however go against everything that happened last weekend, so giving the impression I talk out of my butt.

SM

 

[TrichomusCaesar]

Yes indeedy, POMH....what we need to eat the most of is fruits and veggies and have minimal meat...just enough to feed our muscles....typically when a person eats meat, you should only have 4 oz. portions.

It's the fibrous fruits and veggies that scrap our intestines and colons clean. If you want to stay away from those types of cancers.....you want to be the vegetable machine

 

[Guest]

The healthiest way to live, IMO is all things in moderation. We need lots of fruits and veggies too.

Yep... I took a nutrition class... don't make me dig out my textbooks! lol The main thing we get from eating meat is protein but we can also get that from pretty much everything else except fruits. It's beneficial for building muscle tissue and a good source of energy...

Most Americans eat more protein than they need. You can get just as much protein ... if not more from soy proteins than animal proteins. A well balanced diet.. exercise... moderation.

Personally... I eat poultry and fish... not a big red meat eater BUT once in awhile I crave a steak or hamburger... usually once a month maybe.

 

[Guest]

I would wither away and die without beef. I'm one of them meat and potatoes guys. You can have your nasty ass shit eating yard bird. I want that thing that Moooo's and a nice fat baked potatoe.

But I'm from the South, ,what did ya expect

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

Most Americans eat more protein than they need. You can get just as much protein ... if not more from soy proteins than animal proteins. A well balanced diet.. exercise... moderation.

Most inactive americans eat more protein than they need is a more accurate statment. Those whom dont work out eat too much protein you are correct. But if you work out then you need extra protein. I , for example, eat at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. Im 180 so i need to eat 180 grams of protrin which is alot. Plus soy protien kind of sucks. Its not as easily absorbed at other animal based protiens. which means alot of protien that you take in from soy dont get used and ends up pissed out . Whey protien is the best for your body and is an animal product. So i just do what is best for my body.



Nevermind

 

[Guest]

As I said "most" not all ... :smile:

 

[NiteTiger]

...typically when a person eats meat, you should only have 4 oz. portions.

If someone brought me a four oz portion, I'd slap them with it and tell 'em to quit fucking around and bring me the rest

I would wither away and die without beef. I'm one of them meat and potatoes guys. You can have your nasty ass shit eating yard bird. I want that thing that Moooo's and a nice fat baked potatoe.

But I'm from the South, ,what did ya expect

Amen, brotha

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Bottom Line is that without animal source foods in our ancestors diets, we would not be able to have this discussion. True A balanced diet is Necessary for good health, Also true that foos portions should be tailored to a person's lifestyle, I eat alot of meat, and work out alot, and my %of body fat is very low, and I am in excellent cardiovascular health as well. Excess might be a problem, but eating meat as a part of out diet is what we evolved to do.

BTW... I did the vegitarian thing for a couple of years in the 80's...
I feel much better and am healthier with a balanced diet that includes meat and fish as well as other animal source foods...

 

[Sativa_Fan]

I would wither away and die without beef. I'm one of them meat and potatoes guys. You can have your nasty ass shit eating yard bird. I want that thing that Moooo's and a nice fat baked potatoe.

But I'm from the South, ,what did ya expect

Absolutely! 100% agreement here

Another thing that I wanted to add, is that in my experience as a bodybuilder and powerlifter for several years, I've learned that a diet high in red meat is absolutely the best bet for muscle building purposes. It packs on more fat, but you feel better and stronger on a diet high in red meat. Plenty of naturally occuring creatine (moreso than white meat), B vitamins, Iron, etc. I digress and I imagine no one really gives a shit but oh well

 

[Capt.Ahab]

eh, I've slaughtered animals before, For the cows I've raised I simply pet their head and put a .38 to their forhead, they drop instantly, no fuss, not much blood, not gruesome at all, chickens get to you at first cause they just keep twitching for a bit.

When I hunt I usually use a larger weapon and aim for the head, I've never missed, I've never had bad meat and I never had to track a wounded animal. There is such a thing as killing with kindness, one must be thankful for what this earth provides and must not take for granted the food that they have on their plate.

I see too many weekend hunters, wounded animals and just bad behavior. Once came across a deer with a belly laceration that had nicked the intestion, the wound was in horrible shape and was leeching into the abdomen. and there was no chance the deer would live, all because someone didn't bother tracking the thing. I killed it so it wouldn't suffer and starve over the next week. I tracked the blood all the way back to where it was shot, saw the stand where the guy was and tracked his footprints all the way back to the guys camp(he was drunk) and ripped him a new one, picked up his bow and broke it against a tree, grabbed the shotgun he had there(not even legal) and hit it as hard as I could on the nearest tree(put a slight bend in the barrel thus making the weapon worthless), swore to him that if I ever saw him in those woods again I'd shoot him myself.

Those that I hunt with have respect for the land and the animal and I haven't had a year yet that I haven't filled my freezer.

fishing on the other hand...damn I like to fish but I've never caught more that a dinners worth of fish, I want to go salmon fishing, get some spring chinook or maybe some kings, that'd be a blast.

so um yeah, have respect for what the earth provides and don't take it for granted.

Although I may agree with a couple of things you said here, I have a hard time believing you never miss, or never have had to track an animal.
You must not hunt very much.
As for "tracking him back to camp", trespassing, smashing weapons and uttering threats,I think you are full of s%^t.
You even go so far as to admit you have threatened the other persons life.
I dont know where you live, but that would be construed as harassment,or worse, here and if you were caught doing that here you would be kissing your hunting privileges goodbye for a long time.
Anyone who bowhunts realistically knows that occasionally an animal is lost or wounded, its a fact of the sport.
By the way, if you are in camp here during bow season, you can have a shotgun there. You just cant hunt big game with it during bow season. Our bowhunting season coincides with bird season and a couple small game seasons, that allow the use of a shotgun.
Anyone who acted the way you said you did would be in big F&^ckin' trouble. It wouldnt make any difference if the hunter wounded an animal or not. Your ass would be grass.
And you call yourself a sportsman?
Your actions are no better than those of the "hunter" you rail against.

 

[TrichomusCaesar]

If someone brought me a four oz portion, I'd slap them with it and tell 'em to quit fucking around and bring me the rest



Amen, brotha

hahahahahaha....you made me spit my OJ all over my screen.....you dick.

It's true though, bro...4oz is not a portion that satisfies a real man. I agree, my good man.

But we don't even NEED meat...beans and lentils will take care of all essential amino acids that make up protein....but as the top of the food chain, it's good to each lower species :wink: Makes us feel like kings and queens.

 

[NiteTiger]

Like you said, top of the food chain.

Y'know what they say...

"It's good to be King..."

 

[genkisan]

Like you said, top of the food chain.

Y'know what they say...

"It's good to be King..."

And when industrial factory farming techniques(among other things) lead to a collapse of that food chain......being king ain't gonna mean shit, laddie.


The food chains are in serious danger of collapsing from the bottom up.....and most folks just give a shit about their own bellies and their own greed.......mebbe we do deserve the extinction we are setting ourselves up for.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

"But we don't even NEED meat...beans and lentils will take care of all essential amino acids that make up protein....but as the top of the food chain, it's good to each lower species Makes us feel like kings and queens"


Actually the only food that is a complete protein ( contains all 22 amino acids) is an egg. Also when it comes to absorbtion and synthesis of protien, animal protien is the most easily absorbed and used. Beans? like soy? Soy protien is lousy one of the worst protiens out there. Not easily absorbed plus soy protien is linked to alot of sickness.

There is a reason why animals have all the vitamins we need, plus they are yummy!! Why not eat em



Nevermind

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

And when industrial factory farming techniques(among other things) lead to a collapse of that food chain......being king ain't gonna mean shit, laddie.


The food chains are in serious danger of collapsing from the bottom up.....and most folks just give a shit about their own bellies and their own greed.......mebbe we do deserve the extinction we are setting ourselves up for.

May be going to hell in a bucket, baby, but at least I'm enjoying the ride...



Guess I'll have to start farming spirulina or something after the collapse... lol
I'm sure I'll find a way to feed me and mine, nomatter what collapses... MMMmmmm Algae and Insects.... yum... But till then, I'm gonna have a cow or two now and again....