Dude, you should read more, and watch more Science channel...PazVerdeRadical said:
I'll dig up some mmore info for the nay-sayers...
Back with it later...
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I'll dig up some mmore info for the nay-sayers...
Back with it later...
OK... here's the link to the article I'll be quoting...
http://www.cas.northwestern.edu/anthropology/LHBR/sciamerican-2002.pdf
It's from Scientific American in 2002...
I'd suggest reading the whole article...
http://www.cas.northwestern.edu/anthropology/LHBR/sciamerican-2002.pdf
It's from Scientific American in 2002...
I'd suggest reading the whole article...
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BenitoCereno
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Most scientific studies are funded by interested parties so it is extremely hard to find objective truth within them.
Chances are, if a study is pro-meat there is an industry influence.
Chances are, if a study is anti-meat there is a vegetarian ideology behind it.
There is no escaping the taint of opinion.
The truth is, meat tastes good. The truth also is, factory farming sucks fat balls.
Chances are, if a study is pro-meat there is an industry influence.
Chances are, if a study is anti-meat there is a vegetarian ideology behind it.
There is no escaping the taint of opinion.
The truth is, meat tastes good. The truth also is, factory farming sucks fat balls.
And another, just so I'll have multiple sources...
From here... http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/11/3886S
As far as the 'biased scientific study' hypothesis That really doesn't apply.
From here... http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/11/3886S
As far as the 'biased scientific study' hypothesis That really doesn't apply.
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pieceofmyheart said:
No almost a sandy creamy concistancy, like wet cement
As I like to soak my Oreo's in the milke before consumption.
I Used To Grow
Active member
Carnivore?does uhh...
Carnivore?does uhh...
hmm..yeah..I'll just go out on a limb here and say, "Yes..I"m a carnivore..cuz I eat meat..but..does eating p**** count too? HAHAH
APPARULING i KNOW...
Carnivore?does uhh...
hmm..yeah..I'll just go out on a limb here and say, "Yes..I"m a carnivore..cuz I eat meat..but..does eating p**** count too? HAHAH
APPARULING i KNOW...
ChaoticEntity
Active member
eh, I've slaughtered animals before, For the cows I've raised I simply pet their head and put a .38 to their forhead, they drop instantly, no fuss, not much blood, not gruesome at all, chickens get to you at first cause they just keep twitching for a bit.
When I hunt I usually use a larger weapon and aim for the head, I've never missed, I've never had bad meat and I never had to track a wounded animal. There is such a thing as killing with kindness, one must be thankful for what this earth provides and must not take for granted the food that they have on their plate.
I see too many weekend hunters, wounded animals and just bad behavior. Once came across a deer with a belly laceration that had nicked the intestion, the wound was in horrible shape and was leeching into the abdomen. and there was no chance the deer would live, all because someone didn't bother tracking the thing. I killed it so it wouldn't suffer and starve over the next week. I tracked the blood all the way back to where it was shot, saw the stand where the guy was and tracked his footprints all the way back to the guys camp(he was drunk) and ripped him a new one, picked up his bow and broke it against a tree, grabbed the shotgun he had there(not even legal) and hit it as hard as I could on the nearest tree(put a slight bend in the barrel thus making the weapon worthless), swore to him that if I ever saw him in those woods again I'd shoot him myself.
Those that I hunt with have respect for the land and the animal and I haven't had a year yet that I haven't filled my freezer.
fishing on the other hand...damn I like to fish but I've never caught more that a dinners worth of fish, I want to go salmon fishing, get some spring chinook or maybe some kings, that'd be a blast.
so um yeah, have respect for what the earth provides and don't take it for granted.
When I hunt I usually use a larger weapon and aim for the head, I've never missed, I've never had bad meat and I never had to track a wounded animal. There is such a thing as killing with kindness, one must be thankful for what this earth provides and must not take for granted the food that they have on their plate.
I see too many weekend hunters, wounded animals and just bad behavior. Once came across a deer with a belly laceration that had nicked the intestion, the wound was in horrible shape and was leeching into the abdomen. and there was no chance the deer would live, all because someone didn't bother tracking the thing. I killed it so it wouldn't suffer and starve over the next week. I tracked the blood all the way back to where it was shot, saw the stand where the guy was and tracked his footprints all the way back to the guys camp(he was drunk) and ripped him a new one, picked up his bow and broke it against a tree, grabbed the shotgun he had there(not even legal) and hit it as hard as I could on the nearest tree(put a slight bend in the barrel thus making the weapon worthless), swore to him that if I ever saw him in those woods again I'd shoot him myself.
Those that I hunt with have respect for the land and the animal and I haven't had a year yet that I haven't filled my freezer.
fishing on the other hand...damn I like to fish but I've never caught more that a dinners worth of fish, I want to go salmon fishing, get some spring chinook or maybe some kings, that'd be a blast.
so um yeah, have respect for what the earth provides and don't take it for granted.
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killa-bud said:
Well we aren't plants, so......yeah
Its survival of the fittest....circle of life and all that
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I Used To Grow
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hmm..alright..ne 1 watching the Pres. speech? on CSPAN?
TrichomusCaesar
Member
I'd love to have one of these vegetarian PETA whackjobs bitch me out in person for eating meat....I swear, I would slap him/her with a fuckin' tenderloin LOL
They're all about not hurting animals.....pa-lease.....
oh, I know,Next time I want rabbit I'll try to sing it to death lol
Now when it comes to abusing them for no reason...I agree, that's wrong....
They're all about not hurting animals.....pa-lease.....
oh, I know,Next time I want rabbit I'll try to sing it to death lol
Now when it comes to abusing them for no reason...I agree, that's wrong....
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"it may correlate" "it is possible" "plausible" "we think that"
a richer diet is not by any means to be interpreted as 'more meat'.
in fact, the chemistry of the brain is stimulated a lot in all its parts through nutrients and chemicals that are not of animal origin (those into psychedelics should know ). lets see, you eat meat, you become slow, sleepy and heavy during the several hours it takes to digest it, becoming easier target for other animals, specially those whom you have attracked by the meat eating itself.. on the other hand, instead of giving your brain meat, you chew coca leaves, not only do you get a whole range of essential minerals and vitamins, but gain strenght and ability, which would make you a better hunter, rather than an easier prey.
the only evidence regarding humans eating meat over other foods is that after a meal of meat, hunger is calmed for much longer, which means less work. which means more free time to invest in developing other skills besides collecting food. other reasons include the exploitation of the whole animal for various purposes, not just for eating. these are the real reasons why 'meat' has aided in adaptation, not necessarily because you eat it.
keep in mind that the complexity of the human brain is not due to its size (another thing pseudo-science proposes), but due to its vast ability to process so many neuro-chemicals. it is like a special chemical factory, and it is different from many animals in that the extensive ammount of things humans can metabolize affecting their state of being directly.
what do we say about whole groups of people who have not included meat in their diet for over 30 generations, who have shown the same brain capacity as meat eaters?
i wanna see the journalists who write scientific papers answer that one for sure.
much peace.
a richer diet is not by any means to be interpreted as 'more meat'.
in fact, the chemistry of the brain is stimulated a lot in all its parts through nutrients and chemicals that are not of animal origin (those into psychedelics should know
). lets see, you eat meat, you become slow, sleepy and heavy during the several hours it takes to digest it, becoming easier target for other animals, specially those whom you have attracked by the meat eating itself.. on the other hand, instead of giving your brain meat, you chew coca leaves, not only do you get a whole range of essential minerals and vitamins, but gain strenght and ability, which would make you a better hunter, rather than an easier prey. the only evidence regarding humans eating meat over other foods is that after a meal of meat, hunger is calmed for much longer, which means less work. which means more free time to invest in developing other skills besides collecting food. other reasons include the exploitation of the whole animal for various purposes, not just for eating. these are the real reasons why 'meat' has aided in adaptation, not necessarily because you eat it.
keep in mind that the complexity of the human brain is not due to its size (another thing pseudo-science proposes), but due to its vast ability to process so many neuro-chemicals. it is like a special chemical factory, and it is different from many animals in that the extensive ammount of things humans can metabolize affecting their state of being directly.
what do we say about whole groups of people who have not included meat in their diet for over 30 generations, who have shown the same brain capacity as meat eaters?
i wanna see the journalists who write scientific papers answer that one for sure.
much peace.
Paz, there are plenty of anthropologists(me included) that do believe that increased protein consumption by humans has led to increased brain size. It is true that there are many vegetarians out there who are just as intelligent, but they have to eat plenty of beans and other foods that are high in protein. Meat from scavaged animals was probably the easiest and best source of protein for early man.
On an interesting side note for you bible thumpers, look at the correlation between longevity in the Bible before and after the flood. Before the flood(in the garden of eden) God said that all plants and trees that bore seeds were food for man. Man lived for up to 900 years.
After the flood, God said that all things were to be food for man and the lifespan dropped to 70 years. Guess we weren't meant to eat pussy. It isn't vegan! Well, maybe you can if you don't swallow.
On an interesting side note for you bible thumpers, look at the correlation between longevity in the Bible before and after the flood. Before the flood(in the garden of eden) God said that all plants and trees that bore seeds were food for man. Man lived for up to 900 years.
After the flood, God said that all things were to be food for man and the lifespan dropped to 70 years. Guess we weren't meant to eat pussy. It isn't vegan! Well, maybe you can if you don't swallow.
BTW, Paz, people who have large brains already can maintain them on plant proteins. Lack of meat won't diminish brain size. Going into politics does, however.
(Your 30 generation argument won't fly. Man has had a large brain for 100,000 years. Thats about 3,000 generations.)
(Your 30 generation argument won't fly. Man has had a large brain for 100,000 years. Thats about 3,000 generations.)
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Speeding Mullet
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Personally I think tenderloin is an excelent choice of weapon. May I suggest the whole torso approach aswell??
I can't get enough beef, chicken, turkey, pork, lamb, baby, kudu, fish etc. But I will try my best not to buy from major places.
I have an excellent butchers that sources meat from the local area, certified high standard farms with great records of animal welfare.
Not only does the meat taste so much better, but it is hardly any more expensive than going to Grotesco's.
Stick that up your sweetcorn delivery system "vegetarian peta whackjobs"
SM
I can't get enough beef, chicken, turkey, pork, lamb, baby, kudu, fish etc. But I will try my best not to buy from major places.
I have an excellent butchers that sources meat from the local area, certified high standard farms with great records of animal welfare.
Not only does the meat taste so much better, but it is hardly any more expensive than going to Grotesco's.
Stick that up your sweetcorn delivery system "vegetarian peta whackjobs"
SM
You're simply wrong, and if you think we would have evolved a different physiology over 30 generations only emphasises your lack of understanding.PazVerdeRadical said:"it may correlate" "it is possible" "plausible" "we think that"
a richer diet is not by any means to be interpreted as 'more meat'.
in fact, the chemistry of the brain is stimulated a lot in all its parts through nutrients and chemicals that are not of animal origin (those into psychedelics should know
the only evidence regarding humans eating meat over other foods is that after a meal of meat, hunger is calmed for much longer, which means less work. which means more free time to invest in developing other skills besides collecting food. other reasons include the exploitation of the whole animal for various purposes, not just for eating. these are the real reasons why 'meat' has aided in adaptation, not necessarily because you eat it.
keep in mind that the complexity of the human brain is not due to its size (another thing pseudo-science proposes), but due to its vast ability to process so many neuro-chemicals. it is like a special chemical factory, and it is different from many animals in that the extensive ammount of things humans can metabolize affecting their state of being directly.
what do we say about whole groups of people who have not included meat in their diet for over 30 generations, who have shown the same brain capacity as meat eaters?
i wanna see the journalists who write scientific papers answer that one for sure.
much peace.
Do some more research...
Actually read the articles I linked to...
If you still prefer your opinion over accepted science, then there is nothing more I can do to help you....
G
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I am an omnivore - I will eat anything edible. Animal, vegetable or mineral - as long as it is not kicking and screaming.
I have eaten insects - by choice. Baked grasshoppers taste just like the crunchy skin on barbq chicken.
I have made tea from sumach, made my own maple syrup - I am a good cook, and my kids love my cooking.
I've eaten frogs, squirrels and rabbits - all that I've caught and dispatched with my own hands.
The only thing I don't accept into my body, is anything attached to a MAN (other than me).
My sex is vegetarian - no meat input here...
If it's a question of me or the cute little animal - the animal dies.
ws
I have eaten insects - by choice. Baked grasshoppers taste just like the crunchy skin on barbq chicken.
I have made tea from sumach, made my own maple syrup - I am a good cook, and my kids love my cooking.
I've eaten frogs, squirrels and rabbits - all that I've caught and dispatched with my own hands.
The only thing I don't accept into my body, is anything attached to a MAN (other than me).
My sex is vegetarian - no meat input here...
If it's a question of me or the cute little animal - the animal dies.
ws
Lot of interesting info in here.
I always figured man got to hunting because it was a bigger pay off for the effort. I'd rather spend hours stalking prey and be able to feed my family for a month (I have a rather large family) than spend hours gathering berries and eating for a week.
Although, I'd rather have had a salad last night than the crappy steak I got from Logan's.
I always figured man got to hunting because it was a bigger pay off for the effort. I'd rather spend hours stalking prey and be able to feed my family for a month (I have a rather large family) than spend hours gathering berries and eating for a week.
Although, I'd rather have had a salad last night than the crappy steak I got from Logan's.
