Another great product down the tubes. RIP Down To Earth Liquid Calcium 5.0%. Discontinued?

[Osama Bong Loadin']

It's starting to feel like a conspiracy. Alot of products I use are disappearing.
I don't want to save up my eggshells for 6 months to have calcium. Anybody got any ideas? I don't like cal/mag.

 

[Wolverine97]

Chat road? Do you mean Chert?

 

[yodasfro]

Calsil AKA Wollastonite

 

[Wolverine97]

Calsil AKA Wollastonite

The post I was responding to was deleted. That guy is kind of a clown. Here and there says some intelligent shit, but can't get his head out of his own ass long enough to make coherent sense.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

Down to Earth contacted me again. They were supposed to have discontinued liquid bone meal, but screwed up on their website and put the wrong product discontinued. So it's liquid bone meal that's discontinued and not liquid calcium. A temporary mistake on their website.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

I don't understand why you would want that product? It contains calcium chloride which is not ideal. Chloride is toxic for plants in higher doses and all (good) horticultural nutrients use "chloride free" in their marketing.

There are so many cheap calcium fertilizers available: Ca nitrate, Ca sulfate (gypsum), Ca carbonate (lime). Ca acetate may be used in certain situations.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

I don't understand why you would want that product? It contains calcium chloride which is not ideal. Chloride is toxic for plants in higher doses and all (good) horticultural nutrients use "chloride free" in their marketing.

There are so many cheap calcium fertilizers available: Ca nitrate, Ca sulfate (gypsum), Ca carbonate (lime). Ca acetate may be used in certain situations.

I use gypsum and lime to the best of my knowledge and my plants want more calcium during flower. I haven't had any issues with this product and my plants are healthy. They recommend it as a foliar but that is stupid because it's not needed in veg. I am going to look up the negative effects of Calcium Chloride. My entire situation has changed because they fixed my cities tap water recently. I'm always about anything that will make the plants healthier.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

Did you Google search calcium chloride? I did. The results only showed an overwhelming amount of info on the benefits of calcium chloride in agriculture. I couldn't find anything negative. I have been with Down to Earth for 27 years and I look to them as some of the leading experts in the field. I trust them.

 

[Orange's Greenhouse]

No offense, but "Google Search" sounds a bit like "I Do My Own Research". For such questions use a textbook. "Mineral nutrition of higher plants" is good.
It is an established that fact that chloride is easily toxic for plants. A miniscule amount is essential but that is always present, a small amount is tolerated which is why you have success with this product and larger amounts are toxic. In foliar feeds it can he used as a cheap input because the chloride is not absorpted, as long as it does not drip on the substrate.

Are you sure that a lack of calcium in the root zone is the cause of your problem?
Calcium uptake is very complicated. Too much actually reduces absorption. Calcium chloride will lower the pH in the rootzone which might be beneficial. CalMag does the same. It lowers the pH because of the acetate anion, which is why it is so successful.
Transpiration is the driving force behind Ca uptake. Maybe look at that to improve Ca availability.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

High EC, too much potassium,too much phosphorus,too much water. Alot of stuff will inhibit calcium uptake. I did find a research paper where every researcher stated calcium chloride is not recommended as a soil drench. So I am going to look for another product. Dude disappeared with his recommendation, I don't know what that was all about but it looked like a product I could use. I've wasted too much money on a couple of different stupid calcium products. Neither of which can be used watered in.
I feel the same way, the calcium issues are probably not from a lack of calcium. I don't have any calcium issues this grow. But I can see the effects of high phosphorus a little bit in my tops. I'm making seeds so I fed more than I normally would.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

No offense, but "Google Search" sounds a bit like "I Do My Own Research". For such questions use a textbook. "Mineral nutrition of higher plants" is good.
It is an established that fact that chloride is easily toxic for plants. A miniscule amount is essential but that is always present, a small amount is tolerated which is why you have success with this product and larger amounts are toxic. In foliar feeds it can he used as a cheap input because the chloride is not absorpted, as long as it does not drip on the substrate.

Are you sure that a lack of calcium in the root zone is the cause of your problem?
Calcium uptake is very complicated. Too much actually reduces absorption. Calcium chloride will lower the pH in the rootzone which might be beneficial. CalMag does the same. It lowers the pH because of the acetate anion, which is why it is so successful.
Transpiration is the driving force behind Ca uptake. Maybe look at that to improve Ca availability.

Transpiration is good. When the air outside of my tent was 20% the air inside my tent was over 50%. So I know the plans are transpiring. Every time I've had any calcium issue I'm sure it was high EC. Or high phosphorus really.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

I made an inquiry with Down to Earth to see what they say. It sounds like this product is no good for what I want it for.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

It's starting to feel like a conspiracy. Alot of products I use are disappearing.
I don't want to save up my eggshells for 6 months to have calcium. Anybody got any ideas? I don't like cal/mag.

Shit. I'm going back to powdered eggshells for slow release. And lime and gypsum and bone meal of course.

 

[growingcrazy]

1 gram gypsum per liter h2o + any acid to chelate it. You can use 1/4 gr citric acid or tsp of vinegar etc.

Mix the gypsum and acid with a small amount of water until it has no clumps. fill to 1 liter. Use as a foliar through week 4.

 

[Hiddenjems]

It's starting to feel like a conspiracy. Alot of products I use are disappearing.
I don't want to save up my eggshells for 6 months to have calcium. Anybody got any ideas? I don't like cal/mag.

The product is literally just sidewalk ice melter, calcium chloride.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

I'm actually in touch with Down to Earth and they are going to consult with their chemist about this product and how it's used.

 

[RuBp]

Osama look at calcium deficiency in every other plant in the plant kingdom, you will notice its not anything close to what is mistakingly called Ca deficiency in cannabis.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

I think when I did see some calcium defiency in my plants it was from high EC, high phosphorus.

 

[Osama Bong Loadin']

The different forms of calcium available for growers are for different applications. It's best to get it right to begin with and add a proper amount of lime and gypsum to your mix. I also use some bone meal. I never needed the calcium chloride especially since my city water is better now. I get enough salt there too.