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American weed is superior to dutch.

RingtailCanyon

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True! Colombian, Panama, Mexico and Canada have the best stuff ;)
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cbotany

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I don't think any breeder, grower, country, or seed bank is superior. Some people want to get wrecked, some people want to get through the day, some people want unique effects, and even some people just like growing. I personally think heirloom strains from the nordic regions, landraces, and wild/feral strains are the coolest. Sorry for the run on sentences my English teacher didn't like them as well. But superior genetics is in the eye of the beholder. One of my favorite strains to grow is a small autoflower made by a friend that produces next to no cannabanoids but its a neat plant. I have genetics ranging from seeds that cost a few hundred per 10, to rare landraces but whats superior to me is what I enjoy. I might be spoiled when it comes to access, but this nocking a country, region, or breeder is annoying. Spain has some of the nicest genetics, and breeders, as well as many Europeans. Find what you like, grow it, breed it, improve it, outbreed it, do whatever you LIKE. Don't look at someone elses work or passion and compare it. Thats kinda a cunt move.
 

Rocket Soul

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How can you get an IPA to 10%.
I think you do a double fermentation, you prep one up one small batch and pre ferment and then you add the main batch and do a final fermentation. My guess is that sugar is added aswell, at least we did in my teenage years. Ours was somewhat foul but effective :)
For a tasty and internationally available high ABV IPA i sincerely recommend Lagunitas Maximus, you should be able to get it in Oddbins or similar.

And now my mouth just started watering... IPAs is my weed replacement in my Scando exodus. Its those hops and tastes, hops is a cannabaceae, the Hemp family of plants...
 

Rocket Soul

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Spain has some of the nicest genetics, and breeders, as well as many Europeans. Find what you like, grow it, breed it, improve it, outbreed it, do whatever you LIKE. Don't look at someone elses work or passion and compare it. Thats kinda a cunt move.
Couldnt concur more wholeheartedly:)
Spain has an extremely longstanding smoking, growing and breeding tradition. Not all breeders have commercialised their strains, theres a lot of gold out in villages and the mountains.
 

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I think you do a double fermentation, you prep one up one small batch and pre ferment and then you add the main batch and do a final fermentation. My guess is that sugar is added aswell, at least we did in my teenage years. Ours was somewhat foul but effective :)
For a tasty and internationally available high ABV IPA i sincerely recommend Lagunitas Maximus, you should be able to get it in Oddbins or similar.

And now my mouth just started watering... IPAs is my weed replacement in my Scando exodus. Its those hops and tastes, hops is a cannabaceae, the Hemp family of plants...
The right yeast won't reach 10%. That would be a wine yeast, which wouldn't ferment some of the more abundant sugars in beers, leaving a sweet off taste.
Yeast is very important. Even if it's for distillation, I won't use the high percentage stuff. My wort rarely gets past 8%, using more beer suited yeasts.

I have done all the IPA from my last beer run. Straight away. I must now batter a few Heineken I thought would be a good idea, before I stock up again. I think the museum is better than the beer.
 

RequiredUsername

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I don't think any breeder, grower, country, or seed bank is superior. Some people want to get wrecked, some people want to get through the day, some people want unique effects, and even some people just like growing. I personally think heirloom strains from the nordic regions, landraces, and wild/feral strains are the coolest. Sorry for the run on sentences my English teacher didn't like them as well. But superior genetics is in the eye of the beholder. One of my favorite strains to grow is a small autoflower made by a friend that produces next to no cannabanoids but its a neat plant. I have genetics ranging from seeds that cost a few hundred per 10, to rare landraces but whats superior to me is what I enjoy. I might be spoiled when it comes to access, but this nocking a country, region, or breeder is annoying. Spain has some of the nicest genetics, and breeders, as well as many Europeans. Find what you like, grow it, breed it, improve it, outbreed it, do whatever you LIKE. Don't look at someone elses work or passion and compare it. Thats kinda a cunt move.
That's just ridiculous. There is quality differences between seeds from suppliers. We should stay in reality.
 
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cbotany

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That's just ridiculous. There is quality differences between seeds from suppliers. We should stay in reality.
What each of us consider quality is different. Every breeder pretty much now has good gear, and the guys who don't are getting there fast. I've never personally seen an international seed supply of this quality. I don't really buy from big boxes (unless you consider oa seeds a big box but they're good people) So if you're not having quality flower I'd recommend taking your time with your plants. I have autos I mess around with, and i've given seeds away and people have pulled less than a gram because they have no idea what to do with any plant let alone cannabis, but I've pulled oz's off of the same genetics. Some strains do better in different hands. You might think my gear is lower "quality" because you feed lower n than I do, and don't like open bud structures. But I might think your gear is lower quality because I feed higher n and your bud structure molds in my environment. What I do know, anyone even a piss poor farmer has the ability around the world to grow cannabis because of this community. So nocking anyone, even sensi (where alot of people started) just becomes annoying after awhile.
 
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mexcurandero420

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I don’t mean to cause a shitstorm Mr Lahey but the Dutch did receive a large part of their genetic pool from the Americans.

The US hippies and surfers collected most of these genetics from their travels. They organized imports and grew crops to supply the masses where more seeds were collected by punters .

Some of these were grown out acclimatised or cross bred and the results later taken to the Netherlands and sold all over the world.

Tbh this is a little bit of a chicken and egg discussion . Cause the places they got it from got it from somewhere else, which got it from somewhere else etc etc

Our favourite plant seems to always have been a traveler and I’m picking always will be

Looking forward to that deep space weed
As a Dutchman I always thought its a bit weird when talked about 'Dutch' genetics, because those genetics were brought to the Netherlands from elsewhere. Skunk, Haze, Bubblegum, Northern Lights were from the US. Mexico, Colombia had wonderful genetics too and SE Asia, but the Dutch have a long history with Cannabis, not only hemp for the ships, but the drug type were brought to South-Africa (1753) and Indonesia (Sumatra) (19th century). Early 20th century the Dutch produced good quality cocaine too.

The British Empire had India which supplied the world and you had Greece, Xinjiang (China) in the past.
 

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As a Dutchman I always thought its a bit weird when talked about 'Dutch' genetics, because those genetics were brought to the Netherlands from elsewhere. Skunk, Haze, Bubblegum, Northern Lights were from the US. Mexico, Colombia had wonderful genetics too and SE Asia, but the Dutch have a long history with Cannabis, not only hemp for the ships, but the drug type were brought to South-Africa (1753) and Indonesia (Sumatra) (19th century). Early 20th century the Dutch produced good quality cocaine too.

The British Empire had India which supplied the world and you had Greece, Xinjiang (China)
Exactly right mate, the history keeps on going back till time immemorial.

If we ignore The flow of time and look at snapshots in time only we can definitively say something is from that Specific place at that singular point in time.

It’s not a rock solid argument in reality.

Cannabis as a species has been evolving since long before first contact with humans.

I would rather say Mother Nature is the best breeder myself......
 
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Rocket Soul

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we will starting next week a thread about icmag cup next year 2025

Special yeast. Beer is sold here in the Netherlands with an abv% around 10.
Im fairly sure you can get these high abvs from double fermentation of normal yeasts aswell, having a fermentation process working already seems to mean that it will achieve higher abv before it dies out. But not an expert :)
 

mexcurandero420

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Im fairly sure you can get these high abvs from double fermentation of normal yeasts aswell, having a fermentation process working already seems to mean that it will achieve higher abv before it dies out. But not an expert :)
Special yeast is developed to get a higher alcohol content in beer, which you dont get with normal yeast.
 

Rocket Soul

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Im single fermentation or double?
I dont really know for myself :) all i know is that i nabbed the notes of my friends dead father many years ago; said he gotten 9-10% measured out of his double fermentation experiments with standard yeast. Not sure and no horse in this race really. All good 👍 😊
 
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G.O. Joe

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Early 20th century the Dutch produced good quality cocaine too.

We did not have the advantage of having a coca-growing colony. Nederlandsche Cocainefabriek also made opiates. We are willing to accept Dutch superiority in stroopwafels - we import them - although there are ice cream sandwiches with similar wafers that I haven't tried, apparently made here. But technically these are something else-wafels, and maybe don't exist in NL.
 

FTL

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Correct answer.
Im single fermentation or double?
I dont really know for myself :) all i know is that i nabbed the notes of my friends dead father many years ago; said he gotten 9-10% measured out of his double fermentation experiments with standard yeast. Not sure and no horse in this race really. All good 👍 😊
Technically it’s a double. So you do your wert then transfer to the bottle and add sugar for a secondary fermention which creates the carbonation. :D

Edit: this is for home brew and the secondary fermentation only adds a 1/2% Or so to the brew
 

mexcurandero420

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We did not have the advantage of having a coca-growing colony. Nederlandsche Cocainefabriek also made opiates. We are willing to accept Dutch superiority in stroopwafels - we import them - although there are ice cream sandwiches with similar wafers that I haven't tried, apparently made here. But technically these are something else-wafels, and maybe don't exist in NL.
Yep coca plants in Java where the paste were made and then shipped to the Nederlandse Cocaine Fabriek, where the cocaine was made.

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We also have nowadays these kind of stroopwafels.
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