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What does twist rate have to do with the weapon in question? It is as irrelevent as saying 30-06 with a 1:10 twist.
Twist is not affected by barrel length.
Twist is not affected by barrel length.
CaptainDankness
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Meanwhile in real life you are more likely to be killed with a hammer than a rifle...
Handguns kill far more people. If you look at the facts rifles are not used in many murders. We also seem to forget the worst mass murder done by an American citizen was from fertilizer.
Shocking I know.
So AR's will still be around in the 23rd century? Awesome.
You can shoot .223 in a 5.56 chamber but its not always advisable to shoot 5.56 in a .233.
Twist rate dictates how heavy a bullet a rifle can fire accurately.
I find 1:8 to be a good compromise, with a Wylde chamber which allows both .223 and 5.56 to be used.
You can shoot .223 in a 5.56 chamber but its not always advisable to shoot 5.56 in a .233.
Twist rate dictates how heavy a bullet a rifle can fire accurately.
I find 1:8 to be a good compromise, with a Wylde chamber which allows both .223 and 5.56 to be used.
So funny how so many people think the democrats are liberal.
Bwanabud
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I just bought a new Colt AR LE5612 x 5.56mm, loaded the Magpul gear on it,,,strapped an Primary Arms illuminated Horse Shoe retical for close work,,,and a Leupold VX6 Firedot circle for distance work to 500yds or so. I'm still working on the platform and load, for any real accuracy numbers yet.
I went on a buying binge right before the election, figured someone might change shit fast...so I snatched up some iron.
I also added:
Montana Rifle Co 1999 custom 260 Rem, topped with a Leupold VX6HD 3-15x
S&W 686 stainless .357
Walther Q5 9mm
Berreta Storm PX4 .40 S&W
CZ 75B in9mm stainless
Walther PPS M1 9mm,,,my daily carry
I reload all of my own ammo, except for AR...and enjoy the outdoors as a hunter.
So I'm a fan of the 2nd, but also realize society evolves in ways we can't always control...and if the voting public decides rules need to change, then I agree with the process. But I intend to never give up my guns, not because of fear or need for violence...but because they're MINE,,,I bought them, legally under law, I'm fully capable as a intelligent rational individual, and God told me "I could have them"
I think laws need changed, I will just will ignore any such changes as fake news...I will sit on my large property, and smoke a nice bowl of herb or hash. I'm growing older, and just don't plain give a fuk anymore. I'm the best neighbor you could ever live next door to, and if something offs "off grid" your azz is covered me by me as a friend.
If they want my shit, "come get ya some"
I went on a buying binge right before the election, figured someone might change shit fast...so I snatched up some iron.
I also added:
Montana Rifle Co 1999 custom 260 Rem, topped with a Leupold VX6HD 3-15x
S&W 686 stainless .357
Walther Q5 9mm
Berreta Storm PX4 .40 S&W
CZ 75B in9mm stainless
Walther PPS M1 9mm,,,my daily carry
I reload all of my own ammo, except for AR...and enjoy the outdoors as a hunter.
So I'm a fan of the 2nd, but also realize society evolves in ways we can't always control...and if the voting public decides rules need to change, then I agree with the process. But I intend to never give up my guns, not because of fear or need for violence...but because they're MINE,,,I bought them, legally under law, I'm fully capable as a intelligent rational individual, and God told me "I could have them"
I think laws need changed, I will just will ignore any such changes as fake news...I will sit on my large property, and smoke a nice bowl of herb or hash. I'm growing older, and just don't plain give a fuk anymore. I'm the best neighbor you could ever live next door to, and if something offs "off grid" your azz is covered me by me as a friend.
If they want my shit, "come get ya some"
Gun-Owners Are Being Blamed for the Failures of Liberalism
By Jeffrey T. Brown
Liberalism is largely a process of adopting illogical and factually invalid positions and then artificially placing blame on its opponents when policies based on those positions inevitably fail. For the blame to bear fruit, it is necessary for people of good conscience to be fooled into believing that their actions and beliefs are bad for society and have brought about shameful consequences. At the same time, it is necessary for people whose consciences have already been deformed and co-opted by the faux morality of liberalism to be conditioned to think fellow citizens, who have caused no actual harm but hold contrary views, are evil.
We see this pattern repeated in the context of illegal immigration, global warming, environmentalism, opposition to Islamic subversion of Western culture, feminism, and social justice generally. Nowhere has it been more acutely on display than in the left's hatred of private gun ownership as the ultimate barrier against political overthrow. In order to disarm the country, the left's adherents must be tricked into believing that guns and gun ownership are irrevocably evil, and simultaneously that they and the policies they endorse have nothing to do with the "gun violence" they selectively decry.
In order for leftists to succeed, lawful gun-owners must be tricked into going along with this illusion. Unfortunately for the left, people who are serious enough to decide to accept the responsibility of careful stewardship of firearms are not stupid enough to ignore that we are living in a cesspool entirely of the left's making. Not surprisingly, mature, responsible gun-owners have declined the left's invitation to be caricatured and smeared as the scapegoats for where liberalism has taken us as a culture. As serious people, they don't have much capacity for irrational, emotionally unhinged accusers pointing their fingers at those who not only did not cultivate the environment that has bred mass shooters, but also do not provide such people from their own ranks. The phenomena of unhinged "mass shooters" and the predictably vulnerable environments where they carry out their evil are unique byproducts of liberalism and its failures.
Generally speaking, law-abiding gun-owners are of a different time and culture. They are anachronistic. To lawfully own a firearm is a commitment to timeless principles of maturity, personal responsibility, individual freedom, and civic awareness. It is a trust, a right possessed by free people who exercise their freedom carefully and mindfully. It is not a masculine exercise, as men and women exemplify these qualities equally in their lawful ownership of firearms. It is rather a uniquely American exercise, which is why the left fully loathes it. When liberal commentators spontaneously declare themselves gun-owners for effect, it is unlikely that they are telling the truth, because the philosophical underpinnings of American gun ownership are anathema to them. In everything else they do, they shun and disclaim the America of individualism, honor and integrity. They show no other willingness in their words or actions to reject their liberal brethren so totally as to own what their paganism declares an object possessed of evil powers.
As true Americans, law-abiding gun-owners reject the illogic, dishonesty, and corruption that animate every aspect of liberal politics and social structure. They loathe the culture that celebrates intolerance and bullying of opposing views, indeed which goes so far as to turn a blind eye to physical violence when it is carried out by leftist assailants against Americans to coerce conformity and acceptance of poisonous ideologies. They reject the culture that both creates victimhood and then encourages the rage it causes, so that those who see themselves as victims feel personally and socially justified in doing harm to people who have done them no harm whatsoever. Truth is irrelevant; liberals look outward. Their enemy is always to blame.
Law-abiding gun-owners do not accept that they should be made to pay each time a person who is marginalized and inflamed by the immoral vacuum of liberal culture snaps, under the ever watchful eye of exploitative politicians and some law enforcement personnel who have been told to look the other way to skew statistics showing how out of control people have become in liberal culture. The outcome is inevitable, and, having rejected solutions that have worked in conservative locales, they pretend to be surprised with each slaughter they facilitated in a gun-free zone. It isn't lawful gun-owners who callously endanger children and then stand on their corpses or manipulate the survivors to blame the wrong people. It isn't lawful gun-owners who insist on the victims' defenselessness. It isn't gun-owners who excitedly wait, speech at the ready, for the horror to be repeated and for the political boost it brings to their agenda.
Law-abiding gun-owners recognize the damage that liberalism has done to America and the dangers it has brought. They have chosen to own a firearm as a bulwark against the immorality and violence that liberalism has brought, socially and politically. They have made the conscious decision to own a firearm not to bring violence, for the liberals have brought violence to last for generations, but to prevent it being done to them and those they love.
The left understands nothing about those who own firearms as an exercise of their human right to resist the imposition of evil upon the defenseless. While they force us to live in their absurd psychological experiment in pervasive stupidity, they insist that we surrender as they have, and that we be made as vulnerable and defenseless as they have chosen to be. They hate that we are still free to exempt ourselves from their fantasy, in which we are daily told that we are the evildoers who must be punished for the culture they created.
Lawful gun-owners are being entirely blamed for the cultural and societal failures of liberalism, which are endless in an ideology built on lies and irrational fantasy. To accelerate the movement toward forcible disarmament, there will be a "Children's March" soon. It will be attended or watched by millions of brainwashed products of the NEA, a liberal advocate for complete government control, cynically using their right of disinformed free speech to manipulate children to destroy the right of millions to self-defense against tyranny. In the process, lawful gun-owners will be blamed for all they have fought by millions of children who have been told that it is the gun-owners who are lying about who exposed and abandoned them to the violence of liberalism and a life of serfdom. No doubt child-sized brown shirts will be available for purchase at the march.
This is how children are indoctrinated as agents of the state, which uses them like so many bullet-catchers and footstools. This is how freedom is stolen.
By Jeffrey T. Brown
Liberalism is largely a process of adopting illogical and factually invalid positions and then artificially placing blame on its opponents when policies based on those positions inevitably fail. For the blame to bear fruit, it is necessary for people of good conscience to be fooled into believing that their actions and beliefs are bad for society and have brought about shameful consequences. At the same time, it is necessary for people whose consciences have already been deformed and co-opted by the faux morality of liberalism to be conditioned to think fellow citizens, who have caused no actual harm but hold contrary views, are evil.
We see this pattern repeated in the context of illegal immigration, global warming, environmentalism, opposition to Islamic subversion of Western culture, feminism, and social justice generally. Nowhere has it been more acutely on display than in the left's hatred of private gun ownership as the ultimate barrier against political overthrow. In order to disarm the country, the left's adherents must be tricked into believing that guns and gun ownership are irrevocably evil, and simultaneously that they and the policies they endorse have nothing to do with the "gun violence" they selectively decry.
In order for leftists to succeed, lawful gun-owners must be tricked into going along with this illusion. Unfortunately for the left, people who are serious enough to decide to accept the responsibility of careful stewardship of firearms are not stupid enough to ignore that we are living in a cesspool entirely of the left's making. Not surprisingly, mature, responsible gun-owners have declined the left's invitation to be caricatured and smeared as the scapegoats for where liberalism has taken us as a culture. As serious people, they don't have much capacity for irrational, emotionally unhinged accusers pointing their fingers at those who not only did not cultivate the environment that has bred mass shooters, but also do not provide such people from their own ranks. The phenomena of unhinged "mass shooters" and the predictably vulnerable environments where they carry out their evil are unique byproducts of liberalism and its failures.
Generally speaking, law-abiding gun-owners are of a different time and culture. They are anachronistic. To lawfully own a firearm is a commitment to timeless principles of maturity, personal responsibility, individual freedom, and civic awareness. It is a trust, a right possessed by free people who exercise their freedom carefully and mindfully. It is not a masculine exercise, as men and women exemplify these qualities equally in their lawful ownership of firearms. It is rather a uniquely American exercise, which is why the left fully loathes it. When liberal commentators spontaneously declare themselves gun-owners for effect, it is unlikely that they are telling the truth, because the philosophical underpinnings of American gun ownership are anathema to them. In everything else they do, they shun and disclaim the America of individualism, honor and integrity. They show no other willingness in their words or actions to reject their liberal brethren so totally as to own what their paganism declares an object possessed of evil powers.
As true Americans, law-abiding gun-owners reject the illogic, dishonesty, and corruption that animate every aspect of liberal politics and social structure. They loathe the culture that celebrates intolerance and bullying of opposing views, indeed which goes so far as to turn a blind eye to physical violence when it is carried out by leftist assailants against Americans to coerce conformity and acceptance of poisonous ideologies. They reject the culture that both creates victimhood and then encourages the rage it causes, so that those who see themselves as victims feel personally and socially justified in doing harm to people who have done them no harm whatsoever. Truth is irrelevant; liberals look outward. Their enemy is always to blame.
Law-abiding gun-owners do not accept that they should be made to pay each time a person who is marginalized and inflamed by the immoral vacuum of liberal culture snaps, under the ever watchful eye of exploitative politicians and some law enforcement personnel who have been told to look the other way to skew statistics showing how out of control people have become in liberal culture. The outcome is inevitable, and, having rejected solutions that have worked in conservative locales, they pretend to be surprised with each slaughter they facilitated in a gun-free zone. It isn't lawful gun-owners who callously endanger children and then stand on their corpses or manipulate the survivors to blame the wrong people. It isn't lawful gun-owners who insist on the victims' defenselessness. It isn't gun-owners who excitedly wait, speech at the ready, for the horror to be repeated and for the political boost it brings to their agenda.
Law-abiding gun-owners recognize the damage that liberalism has done to America and the dangers it has brought. They have chosen to own a firearm as a bulwark against the immorality and violence that liberalism has brought, socially and politically. They have made the conscious decision to own a firearm not to bring violence, for the liberals have brought violence to last for generations, but to prevent it being done to them and those they love.
The left understands nothing about those who own firearms as an exercise of their human right to resist the imposition of evil upon the defenseless. While they force us to live in their absurd psychological experiment in pervasive stupidity, they insist that we surrender as they have, and that we be made as vulnerable and defenseless as they have chosen to be. They hate that we are still free to exempt ourselves from their fantasy, in which we are daily told that we are the evildoers who must be punished for the culture they created.
Lawful gun-owners are being entirely blamed for the cultural and societal failures of liberalism, which are endless in an ideology built on lies and irrational fantasy. To accelerate the movement toward forcible disarmament, there will be a "Children's March" soon. It will be attended or watched by millions of brainwashed products of the NEA, a liberal advocate for complete government control, cynically using their right of disinformed free speech to manipulate children to destroy the right of millions to self-defense against tyranny. In the process, lawful gun-owners will be blamed for all they have fought by millions of children who have been told that it is the gun-owners who are lying about who exposed and abandoned them to the violence of liberalism and a life of serfdom. No doubt child-sized brown shirts will be available for purchase at the march.
This is how children are indoctrinated as agents of the state, which uses them like so many bullet-catchers and footstools. This is how freedom is stolen.
St. Phatty
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Twist & barrel length interact to affect how flat shooting & stable a particular bullet is.
I think a lot of 223/.556 barrels and 308 barrels are 'over-twisted'. Too fast a twist for 99.99% of the bullets that will be shot using that firearm. Just a quirk of the industry.
As far as the shooters, I'm just describing the profile - of their firearm - that comes out in the news accounts.
1:7 twist is good for an 85 grain bullet in 223/.556. But very few people with the 16 inch 223 are shooting 85 grain bullets. Most of them are shooting 55 or 62 grain.
In 308 caliber, Savage makes an almost great rifle, the 12FV among others, with a 1:10 twist. They call it their varmint series, with a 26 inch barrel.
Only thing is, 1:10 is good for a 220 grain 308 bullet. Who shoots that with a 308 ? 220 grain 30 cal is for magnum caliber rifles - or the subsonic shooter.
1:14 is good for up to 168 grain; the heaviest 308 bullet I shoot is the 155 grain Palma (BC a little over .5).
Other things I notice about the mass shooters -
* none of them re-load. Or if they do, it's not mentioned when it's a detail that would seem to apply.
* most of them are skinny young guys who don't have any kind of regular gym routine.
Nice rifle you mentioned bwana. A sheep rig by chance? I mean the .260.
The proper way to figure twist is : 150 divided by the length of the bullet in calibers.
A .30 caliber 180 grain spitzer is 1.35 i ches long.
1.35/30=4.5 calibers. 150/4.5=33.333 calibers x the diameter of the bullet. Which for a 30-06 is 33.3x.3=9.99 or practically a 1:10 twist for a 30-06 no matter what the bullet weight.
A .30 caliber 180 grain spitzer is 1.35 i ches long.
1.35/30=4.5 calibers. 150/4.5=33.333 calibers x the diameter of the bullet. Which for a 30-06 is 33.3x.3=9.99 or practically a 1:10 twist for a 30-06 no matter what the bullet weight.
Or that republicans are conservative lol. Anyone defending these greasy parties in power is clueless. Congress is the worst IMO, how can people like Pelosi or Mcconnell be allowed to float around DC for a combined 60+ years. Presidents come and go, its the lifers we need to worry about
R
Rubber Chicken
Mitch McConnell reminds me of the guy from Hannibal.
(I googled and it seems someone else already saw the resemblance)
(I googled and it seems someone else already saw the resemblance)
Though quick twists have been used experimentally to stablilize .226 barnes wild cat zt 1:5.5" and alsoa heavy one the 6.5 barnes at 200 grains with the same twist.
Some like the .257 condor used a 1:7 twist to try to stabilize a 160 grain bullet. Very dlow machine gun powger was used to hold pressures down, but the pressure on the bullet jacket due to rapid spinning is immense. Most rounds blowing up on the hide of deet and antelope.
My point being a 1:10 twist is standard on most 30 calibet sporting rifles using hunting weight bullets.
I have hornady manuals yhat use diffetent twist equations, but they still come out to 1:10 on my ol girl the 06'. Best round there is imo, arguably of course.
I make bull with no problem at 1200 yards. Want to tslk calibers and twist some more? I love it all
I can even give you a wind drift per mph that is easy to memorize and use in the field.
Some like the .257 condor used a 1:7 twist to try to stabilize a 160 grain bullet. Very dlow machine gun powger was used to hold pressures down, but the pressure on the bullet jacket due to rapid spinning is immense. Most rounds blowing up on the hide of deet and antelope.
My point being a 1:10 twist is standard on most 30 calibet sporting rifles using hunting weight bullets.
I have hornady manuals yhat use diffetent twist equations, but they still come out to 1:10 on my ol girl the 06'. Best round there is imo, arguably of course.
I make bull with no problem at 1200 yards. Want to tslk calibers and twist some more? I love it all
I can even give you a wind drift per mph that is easy to memorize and use in the field.
Mitch is the prime example of what is wrong with the GOP Senate and the need for term limits. Put Cotton, Lee or Paul up there...when President Trump wins reelection, they will keep him grounded....
CaptainDankness
Well-known member
Do you have factual data on this?? 45% certainly sounds like fake news to me.
Also I think Charlottesville would have been a joke like all white supremacist events in the past 20-30 years had ANTIFA and BLM not attacked them for being idiots. Not like they strung minorities from trees like way back.
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