Ahmar F1 : 60s Panama Red x Chefchaouen 'Sativa' Hashplant

[island_organics]

Sounds perfect ! - yes that's the plan. Atm i have a limited amount of seeds, but will send some packs of F2s into seedbay/boutique. There is a big difference in seed size between the two plants as well, and the pollination was quite light so it must be genetic. The red pheno has seeds twice the size of the black/purple one! (which may well be green on the next run lol)
The one thing about having red bracts/buds rather than red pistils is that it stays red when dry !
happy 4/20 all
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Nice! It’s a really interesting line you’ve got there. Did you keep clones of the males?On a different note i’ve got a pack of your pre-98 s1’s that’s on my list for this year’s outdoor which I’m really looking forward to.

 

[VerdantGreen]

GL with the Bubba S1s!
Yes i have kept the 3 males for now, and i have some frozen pollen from them.
It seems like crazy good karma that ive been gifted this line - which, although distinctly different in some ways, actually has plants with a similar Terpene profile and taste to my favorite Bubba. My plan is also to cross it to the Pre-98 cut and see what comes of that... and i will try to make some more F2s as well.
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P.s. Big thanks once again to gb and his friend who have made this old stoner very happy !

 

[soopy]

So cool @VerdantGreen !!! I’m super excited as well that there is a Bubba-esque hashiness to some of them….and the quality and character of the high sounds devine!

My hat is off to you my good man….I’ll will definitely be watching the Bou for the drop….hell yeah man!

 

[VerdantGreen]

5/6 on the remaining F1 seeds so far! an unexpected bonus to get better germination than the first round, all things being pretty equal except the temps this time 26/27(slightly hotter than i was aiming for! ) rather than 24/25 last time.

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[Redrum92]

5/6 on the remaining F1 seeds so far! an unexpected bonus to get better germination than the first round, all things being pretty equal except the temps this time 26/27(slightly hotter than i was aiming for! ) rather than 24/25 last time.
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There are more?!

Hope you have a big mother room, you lucky dog.

 

[island_organics]

GL with the Bubba S1s!
Yes i have kept the 3 males for now, and i have some frozen pollen from them.
It seems like crazy good karma that ive been gifted this line - which, although distinctly different in some ways, actually has plants with a similar Terpene profile and taste to my favorite Bubba. My plan is also to cross it to the Pre-98 cut and see what comes of that... and i will try to make some more F2s as well.
VG
P.s. Big thanks once again to gb and his friend who have made this old stoner very happy !

thanks. Well done for keeping the males, you've got a line that needs opening up and preserving there.

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey @Redrum92 yes, i got 15 seeds and tried 9 initially, with 5 germinating, and now have another 5 of the remaining 6 which is great... although it complicates things too.. i don't even have a grow room, just a series of cabs !
@island_organics, for sure, these extra plants will help with a bit of diversity, and it would be great to get another couple of girls to evaluate. maybe i'll release a few packs from the first batch ive already made for those that want to try them..(that will help evaluate the F2s as well) and if all goes well then do a bigger batch for bigger release later with more diversity. It's nice to know i already have some F2 seeds just in case! - i won't be able to keep the males forever but will try until after that.
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[island_organics]

hey @Redrum92 yes, i got 15 seeds and tried 9 initially, with 5 germinating, and now have another 5 of the remaining 6 which is great... although it complicates things too.. i don't even have a grow room, just a series of cabs !
@island_organics, for sure, these extra plants will help with a bit of diversity, and it would be great to get another couple of girls to evaluate. maybe i'll release a few packs from the first batch ive already made for those that want to try them..(that will help evaluate the F2s as well) and if all goes well then do a bigger batch for bigger release later with more diversity. It's nice to know i already have some F2 seeds just in case! - i won't be able to keep the males forever but will try until after that.
VG

Sounds like a good plan. If you can collect pollen from all the males that would be ideal to preserve what you have there. I’d love to have a look through the f2’s when they’re available. I’m currently running six Moroccan x Lebanese F1 females and two males outdoors in a controlled open pollination.

 

[Raco]

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DC x Haze f2

 

[island_organics]

@VerdantGreen your plants definitely share some traits with this indoor grown Panama red.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hey thanks for posting that @island_organics ! - VERY interesting, that looks similar to my plants in many ways, especially plant 4 with the more 'sativa' high. Calyx/bud structure similar .. That Panama Red pheno certainly doesn't look like a 'typical' Sativa !
VG

 

[Raco]

Kaiki gifted me a cut of Panama Pelo Rosa (Pink Hair) that I grew both in and outdoors for years.It was used in the first Panama x Deep Chunk F1
Outdoors:

Indoors

 

[Raco]

charlie garcia​

• May 29, 2010
• #41

When I first discovered there seed banks existed in mid 90's couldnt find any columbian, panaman, or mexican I was only interested. Though strange to smoke indica flowers but not just their hash! (I used to get hash form a us air force base here) and never got into what you guys were growing but own things and own sources since latest 70's. Job made for ACE Seeds of Panaman includes a 50% (3 males at third stage) of an old panaman of big and broad leafes, 11-13 leaflets, strong structure and huge internodals got from a spanish old hippy source from the 70's. Several hippy communities laid here in different places. Leaves were oil green, not too dark but not too light either. Guess was closest which may stand for the name but I dont know for sure, guess Dalay may know better. Followed for years whats called columbian reds trying to understand what people meant about C.R., mellow columbian red as my experience was with just trippy and histerical ones and never had paid attention to lowlands. Never got to understand it and always though was a generic term used describing bud/hairs colours. Despite some Panaman seemed more identified or Col Punto Rojo, rest of what Ive seen and read is kinda puzzle and when referring to C.R. I would vote for a family range more than a particular line.
best

best

 

[Redrum92]

Been back at least once a week since you posted the flower pics. Can't believe how much they look like a highly worked/selected modern line.

Can't wait to see what you do with it, considering how well some of your projects have done.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hey Thanks for the Pics @Raco - beautiful flowers with quite narrow leaves but i can still see that the indoor buds have similarities.. the words from Charlie are very interesting, especially his description of an oldschool 'big, broad leaved' PR with large internodes.
And his words support what i also suspect - that Panama Red was probably a name used to describe pretty much any weed from Panama during those times - especially as it was pretty much one of the first saught-after named varieties.
Hi @Redrum92 i agree the buds do look quite 'refined' - but some elements of the plants like the very good fleshy root growth do reflect a vigor that i am not used to seeing in cannabis. there is a 'primal' quality to them too if that doesn't sound too silly.
Both plants smell stronger as they cure and the funk is developing..The red budded pheno now has a 'Rose flavour' smell like turkish delight on top of the musky/leathery/mocha smell.
I'm going to go through the chats with my friend and the farmer's son to see if i can glean any more info about the line...
VG

 

[Raco]

The Legend of Panama Red

"In this story you'll learn who and how this 12 ton load of Panama Red was smuggled into California.

Have you ever heard the legend of Panama Red? I mean you have heard of Panama Red haven't you? Well here's the true story about a load that came into California, in 1969.

I drove up Highway 1, to Maple Street, in Tam Valley, and turned left. If you know where this is, it's near Mill Valley. I went to my connection's house to see what exotic weed had come in. He had Yucatan Green, which was fully filled into white plastic bags. It had a fruity aroma, and you could uncoil the kiwi colored green leaves back into their natural finger and hand shapes. I'd never seen weed cured this well. It was somehow cured like pliable tobacco leaves. The price was $150. a pound which was a lot back in those days. Next a brown grocery sack came out of the closet, which I noticed was full of both white plastic bags and the brown grocery bags. From my quick glance I estimated about 10 bags of weed in all.

As the top of the brown bag was unfolded I immediately smelled the strong aroma of fresh tilled earth, perhaps the smell when you turn over a mulching log, combined with red clay. Then I distinguished another smell. The smell of fresh earth was mixed with a strong hashish smell. A handful of the well dried small buds was pulled out and laid on the stainless steel plate of the triple-beam. I was in wonder as I had never seen any weed that wasn't green or gold. To my amazement these small buds were a bright rusty color. Not brown like the Colombian Gold I scored a few years later, but you know, a rusty red color. I asked: Where's this weed from?

My connection told me the story.

This is Panama Red. This stuff grows in the mountains north of the Panama Canal. The soil is red to black, with rain all the time. It's impossible to get this weed, but I have access to about a ton of it.

How much is it for a pound, I asked him.

It's $220. a pound. My wad of cash choked in my pocket, as I had thought that the Yucatan green was expensive. He could read me. He pulled out a paper from his Zig-Zag pack, and rolled a pinhead joint. Then he lit it up, making a yellow flame as the empty paper end burned into the weed. He took the first puff, which sent off, two thin intertwined lines of blue gray hashish like smoke, heading towards the ceiling.

He was already well stoned from encounters with his earlier customers, and when I first walked into his home I had noticed how his eyes were glazed over. He looked like the poster of a wizard, with his long hair, beard, and crystal ball eyes. If this were possible, he looked even more euphoric from the one hit; and his eyes rolled back, and closed, as he slowly stabbed the smoking pinner across the table in my direction. As I reached out for it, he said in a choked breath while exhaling smoke: You'll probably never get weed this good again.

I knew his word was always true. My connection and his group had smuggled hashish from Afghanistan, India, and Morocco. He'd been busted for importing hash in the bottom of a crate of snakes. He always had exotic weed and hash. He wouldn't mess around with the weed I could get from the pilots in my part of the state. The only stuff I could get in my area was Mexican weed which ran about $80. to $120. a brick. We called this weed, reg, for regular. The reg kilos or bricks came wrapped in red, green or blue construction paper and was taped off with masking tape. This was the regular bottom line, non-exotic, weed that was somewhat harsh to the throat, but got you stoned. We resold for $10. a lid, or if you weren't around back then, a lid is an ounce.

The hashish smell of the pinner was overcoming my thoughts, as I took a hit of pure heaven. The smoke was so smooth, with a taste just like it's unburnt smell of fresh clean earth and hashish. I thought it tasted like Lebanese Red hash, mixed with fresh earth, as I barely watched the smoke vining it's way upwards. It was hash without the bite. Then the stone came on as I took my second hit. My senses suddenly kicked into hyper space as I became acutely aware of everything. My hearing, my thinking, my senses were all rocketed into Stonesville, which is a different place for every one of us. Within a minute I realized I was really stoned. I laughed. Shortly after three hits, I started seeing trails, colors, and realized this weed was a psychedelic high too. Lots of colors, and laughs, in a mellow floating state. A weed to bring out your innermost thoughts, to philosophize, about the finer points of life and existence, with those of like mind.

In 1969, I bought five pounds of Panama Red, which is the most stony weed I have ever smoked, even to this day. When I got back home where the local Hippies were used to the $10. price of an oz., of reg, I knew I couldn't sell this rusty red weed. First, since it wasn't green, they wouldn't believe it was weed. Second, the price would be about four times what they were used to paying for an oz. of reg weed. I kept telling myself nobody was ready for this rusty weed which would send anybody, especially these locals to heaven. I knew that if I rolled pinners, it would take me years to smoke all of this exotic weed. I figured at least 80 joints to an oz., and I had 80 ozs., and let's see, that's 6400 joints. I couldn't take time to do one a day, so I figured maybe 150 a year, and um, it would take me over forty-two years to smoke all of this weed. It would lose it's potency after a year or two. Then the lightbulb came on. I'd roll up about 10 pinners and just give them away. I understood that even my friends could figure out that this was the best weed in the world. After they had smoked this fantastic weed, they would realize how stoned they were, and with the weed rolled up they wouldn't know it wasn't green! Great idea! I reached into my pocket again as I arrived at the toll booth on the Golden Gate Bridge entering San Francisco, stoned out of my mind.

I want you to know something, when I got home that's exactly what I did. I passed out the pinners and asked my friends to just try it and give me their opinions. They questioned me about the small sized joints, and I said what are you complaining about, it's free. Then the phone started ringing with questions like: What was that? Is that laced with acid? That can't be ordinary weed. Do you have any more? Then I got to tell the story of Panama Red to them, which if you ever smoked the real thing, I need not say more.

MEETING THE SMUGGLER

On another score trip north, about a month later, I discovered that my connection had moved to Stinson Beach. You might know where he moved if you ever went there. It was the third house back from the beach, it was on the left, the one with the purple door. When the purple door opened I gasped as I thought I saw my dad sitting down counting cash on a coffee table. I realized that it really wasn't my Dad, but the guy was a dead ringer for my dad. He had a receding conservative haircut, with brown hair, and graying sideburns. Same facial features. My connection introduced him, and for his protection, I'll just call him Roy. Roy was counting out $40,000. cash, another installment for the fronting of his illegal, precious cargo of Panama Red to my connection. This was a lot of money for a weed deal back in 1969, and probably one of a hundred bags of money picked up by Roy. You figure it out. If he sold his Panama Red for only $120. a pound, times 24,000 pounds he grossed about $2.9 million from his load. Thirty years ago this money had the purchasing power of about 4 times more than what it would buy today. However, I have no idea what Panama Red would cost today as I have never found it again. I've had Colombian Gold, but it's more of a brown tobacco color. Red is a very earthy, rusty color and I haven't even seen any counterfeit stuff offered. I haven't even seen the seeds offered. The $40,000. Roy was counting out was only a payment for about 300 pounds. Payment for a ton would be $240,000. Don't forget he had the money from selling the fish too.

Roy was a very candid person, treating me as if he'd known me his whole life. He explained the Panama Red saga. He bought a surplus submarine chaser, a 90 footer. He sold most of the military gear and paid for the vessel, with money left over. It was a typical government deal where millions were spent to build and outfit the ship, and then it was later sold for peanuts. Roy outfitted it as a fishing boat. He got a crew together and went south. He loaded in 12 tons of Panama Red, and then he and his crew went fishing.

They covered the weed with tuna, iced it and headed back north. The ship was checked out, and cleared for entry. As they returned to the Bay Area, he made contact with his man onshore in northern California, who with a few hours notice, got a small fleet of fishing and sailboats together. This fleet was obviously pre-planned. The fleet was a fleet of dealers who went under the Golden Gate Bridge out about 25 miles, and towards the Farallon Islands, where the Panama Red was quickly offloaded onto these smaller boats. One Harbor Master inside the bay was in on it too, so there was little chance of anybody getting caught. I can't tell you if it was day or night, foggy, or anything about the conditions, but I do know from other smugglers that they use the worst weather conditions for all of their activities. If it's hard for them it's hard for the cops to catch them. Roy said he retired off this trip and that he sold his fish, the ship, and intended on paying the IRS it's taxes on the fish, if any were due. Roy told me the city he lived in, and I'll give you a hint, he lived between San Francisco, and San Jose. If you know him, tell him thanks from me.

I grew some plants from the very small brown seeds. The plants had stalks with alternating green and purple vertical lines. The dark green leaves had purple veins. I got tired of watering them, so I sold the crop where it stood, by selling a map with it's location. My friends nicknamed me Panama Red, for waking them up to this high. There's been no more Panama Red, that I'm aware of. If I'm wrong I'd like to read your story."

 

[VerdantGreen]

Thanks!
here is what i was told by the farmer's son about which plants to look out for and the aromas i might expect:

"look out for the red types they are outstanding and was dads favourite they have some complex smells and flavours.
Mint, Rose,Liquorice,Strawberry jam,
Earthy, Damp soil, musk
Nesquick Milkshake, Berry’s,
tropical fruits. Fruit salad."

i have clones of the two original girls about a week into flower:
Plant 4:

and plant 5 the red one:

VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

Hi all, here are the 5 new plants, numbered 6-10.
No6 (in the foreground) started off a bit shorter and runty but seems to have chirped up.

9 and 10 are a tiny bit taller.

VG

 

[Redrum92]

Suspense!

 

[VerdantGreen]

and while we wait for those... here's some i grew earlier : )

Red 5 - as i've come to call it. about 2.5 weeks.
After a few weeks in the Jar the buds have changed smell a bit.. still very mocha/musk/leather/earthy but now there is a floral/rose smell and the smell is a bit sweater. It's also got more potent. It is reasonably functional.. not exactly energetic but makes you feel light on your feet and wrapped in cotton wool, blissful, calm and also has zero comedown/hangover. very nice.

the red bud colour was noticeable very quickly although it is easier to see on the smaller buds further from the light atm