Ahmar F1 : 60s Panama Red x Chefchaouen 'Sativa' Hashplant

[VerdantGreen]

another link that talks about Chefchaouen sativa and indica
Finding Green in Morocco:

On the steps of Chefchaouen, we bought hash sourced from a sativa strain, as opposed to a more mellow indica strain, which we felt was the more appropriate illicit drug for taking tourist photos and buying our parents souvenirs. There wasn’t the ‘brain fog’ often experienced from potent weed; instead, it was a genuine energy and focus boost, resulting in a much stronger interest in the multicolored woven sweaters for sale on the side of the road than we might have otherwise shown. (We bought two.)"

Playboy Magazine

www.playboy.com

 

[Raco]

Very interesting VG.
Pulls up a chair

 

[ojd]

looking at plant 5 this morning i think the buds are maybe starting to grow red like the Panama red... ive never grown P.R. so maybe anyone who has could chime in ? some resin too !
View attachment 18811811 View attachment 18811810
VG

Defo purpling up , very interesting project

 

[RobFromTX]

HI Rob, thats a good question! - i would say they are an F1 hybrid of two pure landrace sativas... so in that sense they are still a 'pure' sativa
The Panama Red is classed as a Pure sativa and was one of the first varieties picked up on by Hippies in the 60's because of its high THC content (for those times)
Morocco has been cultivating cannabis for over 1000 years (Moroccan varieties are historically renowned for their potency) and i think that the varieties that they call 'sativa' are maybe classed as that because of the different high they give in comparison to hashplants that give a more bodystone type relaxed high.... and the farmer that made this cross presumably in the 70's would have used his old school classification from that time. In Chefchaoen there seems to be two types of plant cultivated and the 'sativa' type ones were regarded to give that 'sativa' type high. They were still used to make hash but it was different to the 'blond' hash commonly made and exported there.
That said, i am no expert on landraces so others may be able to give more insight.... and the classification of 'sativa' and 'Indica' (now often called NLD and WLD ) is somewhat of a mess with various methods of nomenclature:

https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/naming-cannabis-the-indica-versus-sativa-debate/

Thats fascinating. Ive heard a lot of great things about moroccan hash. I sure wish we got stuff like that down here. Ive grown the ace seeds version of panama "red", which i must say is pretty sedating for a sativa, but top notch still the same. I'll be watching these beauties

 

[VerdantGreen]

Thanks @Raco
Thanks @ojd
Yes this is getting quite exciting. I have permission to make some F2s so hopefully next week i can do some pollination and we will see what they bring.
VG

 

[led05]

I love me a good story; very neat plants - eager to see how these finish and quality of the POI turns out across all of them

Best of luck w the grow!

 

[led05]

looking at plant 5 this morning i think the buds are maybe starting to grow red like the Panama red... ive never grown P.R. so maybe anyone who has could chime in ? some resin too !
View attachment 18811811 View attachment 18811810
VG

Looks more Maroon / purple than the reds I’m used to seeing in Panamanians or South Americans for that matter

 

[VerdantGreen]

Looks more Maroon / purple than the reds I’m used to seeing in Panamanians or South Americans for that matter

Yes, it's hard to get the colour to render properly in pics but it is defo a dark red/maroon more than purp..given the name of the variety and that i was told to look out for the red phenos then i'm hoping that's what i've got here !
by the looks of it the gene gets switched on at a similar time to the plant starting to produce glandular tricomes... and starting in the centre of the buds it must be genetic rather than induced by cold temps.. i get a lot of purpling in my plants from cold but that starts from the outer parts ime.
VG

 

[ramse]

the red / purplish color of the stems it is a typical trait of the Moroccan landrace. It's just a typical feature. Whoever grew it will tell you. Some phenotypes also have a pink bubblegum odor, but it does not remain in the dried flower.

this is a moroccan landrace coming from the chefchaouen area. all had red-purple stems and petioles

 

[awwc]

the red / purplish color of the stems it is a typical trait of the Moroccan landrace. It's just a typical feature. Whoever grew it will tell you. Some phenotypes also have a pink bubblegum odor, but it does not remain in the dried flower.

This is true this is why people frozensift etc.

I have been in chaouen penty of times sad that all the streetvendors are just selling criritcal mass to tourists these days, at least most of them. The good stuff is all for export.

 

[ramse]

these from the Ace seeds and Khalifa genetics website

 

[awwc]

Any seedstock that has been made with genetics gathered after 1995-2000 is not 100% bildi most likely though.

 

[ramse]

the last one.
is becoming a discussion on the Moroccan landrace ... indeed I apologize to the op.
anyway congratulations for the project, I follow with interest.

 

[Raco]

I remember that I heard many years ago that colombian seeds were taken to Morocco in the 70s in orden to improve the potency of moroccan cultivars.
Clarke says in his book Hashish! that afghan seeds and afghan farmers to tend them were taken to Los Llanos region of Colombia in the 70s.
Sorry if I am going off topic

 

[ramse]

I have a lot of material on the history of kif. If you are interested I could post it on the Moroccan cannabis thread without spoiling this thread

 

[El Timbo]

Great story! Would be cool to know how he stored those seeds.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Thanks for all this input guys, very interesting !

Any seedstock that has been made with genetics gathered after 1995-2000 is not 100%

Thats one thing that excites me about these seeds, that they were made a long time ago.. probably the 70's, so it would be a 'proper' F1 of two uncompromised landraces... and also its interesting that the farmer never worked it further - he must have been very happy with it, and like most farmers, he probably new the value of a great F1 !

i can now see the beginnings of the reddish colour on the other plant. Not quite so pronounced as yet.

VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

WE are at 3 weeks or just over.
Plant 4 :

plant 5 is the taller one and it stretched for longer:

starting to turn red:

 

[VerdantGreen]

OK, Maroon/purple might be a better description of the colour they coming on nicely !

VG

 

[LouieLou-i]

Hi all, i was gifted these seed and i’m very excited to grow them. This cross was made by a Moroccan Hash farmer and these buds were his own personal favorite smoke… his headstash !
View attachment 18796110

How i came into these seeds is quite a nice story so i will briefly tell it:

It all started with a favor. I did a favor for someone i know and, whilst i am a great one for ‘quid pro quo’ type favors, this particular favor was the best type - where i asked for nothing in return.
We met up in London where i was working, favor was done, and the guy gifted me a small lump of hash - which i had a smoke of as soon as i got home. It was lovely… very lightly pressed blond hash that we might call ‘pollen’ or ‘blond hash’ in the UK. It reminded me of Red Lebenese (that used to come in the cloth bags) but when i was in contact with my friend he told me it was Moroccan, and that it came from his friend who’s dad had farmed the same fields for the last 40 years. (Most Moroccan that is imported into the UK is more heavily pressed and of lesser quality - what we used to call ‘Slate’ ) - Always the opportunist, i asked him to see if his friend could get hold of any seeds for those hashplants - he said he would try, and then i pretty much forgot about it because these things hardly ever end up with a result ime.
The guy is a member here, i won’t name him but he can pop in and say hi if he likes, and a couple of weeks later he messaged me to say that his friend’s dad had sadly just died, and that his friend’s uncles had taken over the hash farm and that he couldn’t ask them for seeds, but he had gone back for the funeral and bought these seeds back that were nothing to do with that hash - they were what his dad had smoked for himself for as long as he could remember and they has never been shared with anybody before, and here is the story of the cross itself:
His dad had travelled to Panama in the ‘60s and bought back seeds of the Panama Red he had smoked there. He loved the color, flavor, taste and smell of Panama Red but thought he could improve the structure and the high, and also make it more suitable for the Moroccan climate, so he crossed it with a ‘sativa’ hashplant with a very nice effect that was a landrace native to the Chefchauoen region of the Rif in Morocco. It smelt of herbal tea, woody, earthy, coffee and spice. People used to smoke the buds of this sativa but it was still classed as a hash producing plant (when the guy described it as sativa he put the word in inverted commas - ‘sativa’ - which may mean that we would call it a sativa because it had narrow leaves,or taller and bushier.. im not sure) he said it was a very different plant to the sort of indica hashplant used to make the ‘blond hash’ from Ketama and most regions in the Rif.
His dad went through a few hundred Panama Red plants and chose 18-20 of the red types that had the smell, structure and bud formation that he liked best, and pollinated them with a single male Chefchaouen sativa -

Ahmar was born, the arabic word translates as ‘Red’ or ‘Red gem’ - I was told these would go around 10-12 weeks indoors.
So the first thing i thought was that these F1 seeds are OLD ! - at least 30 years old but more like 40 or 50 years old… they looked kid of old too but also but also very good quality and well formed, I was given 15 seeds and told they should still germinate just fine because his dad knew how to keep seeds for a long time.
So i planted 9 of them and spread out between day 5 and day 9 i got 5 seedlings… and i have 6 seeds left.
About 3 weeks old...
Group shot:
View attachment 18796114
View attachment 18796115
and 3 different individuals:
View attachment 18796116 View attachment 18796117 View attachment 18796118
These have already led a somewhat charmed life... and hopefully i can flower some out and see what they are like..
VG

Keep us posted!!!
Very wide indica leaves. Lovely seed grown. No clones.