Advanced Nutrients, Love it or Hate it, State your claim!

[Lack]

Except non of their official web/paper ads (except for the Kushie Kush flyer) say anything about Cannabis. If they did I don't think they would be around in the US for too long before the DEA came down on them with conspiracy charges.

Now I just noticed on their site its not PPM and PH perfect anymore but PH perfect. Once again no stable vision for the company because they could not deliver on some far fetched claims.

For PH perfect I don't think it would be that hard for a company to create a food where the chemicals can be absorbed properly within a greater ph range. This is what they now include Fulvic and Humic in their food. Those acids are chelating agents so the chemicals will be available at a greater ph range.

I can absolutly confirm the PH Perfect guarantee is total bullshit. Seriously, I just got a batch of the GMB in, you know, the Grow, Micro, Bloom. I got it because I hurt my dumb ass out surfing and now I can hardly move and I wanted something simple. Been using Floranova forever... So anyway I used it for the first time today and wow, I had to ad a shit ton of ph down to it to get the ph down to 6. I'm considering returning it, they say money back, just return the unused portion..

I'm tired of messin with ph. I hear people talking about not ph'n their solution and I'm wondering how they even pull off grows. I use tap water with a starting ph of 7 and add ph down to get it to 6.0 and I grow in coco/perlite. I have been having some unexplainable problems with the tips of my leaves so that was another reason for wanting to try new nutrients. I mean everything else in my grow is right, so I dont know what else to think. That is the right ph for growing in a Hempy bucket with coco and perlite right? I've been pulling some great harvests with perfect plants for awhile now and all of a sudden as of late, I've had lots of tip's drying up, curling and its really bothering me as I cant track down the problem. Not sure what to do, hope the GMB works ok, sucks it's not what they advertise.

There's no way I'd pay for connoisseur, lol that is way over priced. Thinking about going back to the good old 3 part Gen hydro routine with my floralicious plus and molasses. That always did me good and I'm pissed at myself that I wasted money buying other stuff.

AN's 3 part GMB does smell really good and clean though and there are no holes in the system as someone else said. You can do the Lucas Formula with GMB and add other stuff like floralicous and molasses, so I may just run it through and see how it goes before I go back to Gen Hydro's 3 part. Bummed about the PH thing though, I thought, finally... I can relax and just mix the nutes and be on my way. Oh well guess that's impossible.

Please, if I'm wrong about the ph perfect guarantee with AN's line, tell me. I just read that the fulvic/humic acids in the GMB make the nutrients available at higher ph levels, so no ph adjusting is required. I could seriously be ruining my plants by adding the ph down to bring it down to 6, so please let me know if I'm doing it wrong. I cant find any info about it.

 

[Lack]

No man AN have defied all known science, teamed up with aliens from the planet of Zoid and cracked the pH myth Safe to say, pH adjust to within optimum range if using AN nutes.

Lol, so that means their ph perfect is just a gimmick? False advertisement? Seems like they'd get in trouble for that, but whatever. Just trying to understand the PH Perfect stuff that they claim... Says you never need to check ph again.

So anyway if you read my tldr little story there I was talking about having problems and then I was worried I fubar'd my lovely mothers and clones after feeding them AN's GMB and having to ph the hell out of it to get it down to 6... I went to sleep worried and when I woke up the first thing I did was run to check them. I don't know how it happened or if I've just been using the wrong kind of nutes all along, but they look better than they ever have. I'm not shittin, I said woah nelly as soon as I saw em this morning. So I guess about twelve hours after I fed em the GMB they were lovin life again. I don't see how it's even possible for them to have perked up as much as they have... Full color is back and everything, and there was some yellow on a few leaves for sure.

My Northern Lights 5 x Haze bonsai is the most beautiful mother plant I have and she looks incredible today. She's exceptional though, has trichs all over the leaves in veg lol. The best smoke I've had. My other mums and clones were lookin sad too, and they've all perked up 100% since the feeding. I'm stoked now, I'll be keepin these nutes and we'll see how they do. Fed the flowering ladies with it today, so hopefully they'll be happy like the veg plants are now. I have the best strains I've ever had in my entire life right now and I've been stressin ever since I started seeing problems.

I know it sounds crazy, I was shocked. I know my mothers very well and there's an obvious improvement since yesterday. Are the nutes that good, or did my plants just really not like what FloraNova was giving them? I grow in coco/perlite hempy buckets, maybe floranova just isn't the right kinda nutrient for that kind of medium. Either way, I'm happy again.

 

[grasspass]

I'm using advanced GMB and using citric acid from the baking department at grocery store to ph it down a bit. My plant love this advanced stuff and the only reason I bought it was because I asked the guy at the shop for simple hydro nutes without a complicated bunch of additives and he handed me the Advanced GMB. Now flowering and throwing in some botanicare hydroplex I had laying around , the plants are very healthy.

 

[Guest 18340]

I'm using advanced GMB and using citric acid from the baking department at grocery store to ph it down a bit. My plant love this advanced stuff and the only reason I bought it was because I asked the guy at the shop for simple hydro nutes without a complicated bunch of additives and he handed me the Advanced GMB. Now flowering and throwing in some botanicare hydroplex I had laying around , the plants are very healthy.

(Hit the edit button in your post by accident, meant to hit quote: )
Just curious, what did you pay for those 3 bottles?
Their are nutes that are even more simple, that don't need additives...

 

[krunchbubble]

I'd say nutes that claim not to require additives are more marketing driven than reality. You cannot possibly get the PK levels ito a nute that are required in full bloom (they simply won't remain in solution) so even with 3 part nutes additional P and K are needed (not to try to contradict you ad sorry if it seems this way, its just that I've mixed a lot of formulas myself and know this to be true). Other beneficial additives also can't go into solution - elements such as potassium silicate etc. Silica is now seen as an essential mineral element for plants and no nute concentrate can contain the levels required (silica precipitates from solution). So I'd be a bit wary of claims that we make a nutrient that doesn't require addities. AN though must make really shitty nutrients if you require as many additives as they claim.

by your previous posts it seems that you are very knowledgeable in nutrient profiles.....

but you say that nutrient companies that require you to NOT use additives are more market driven? how is this?

you also say that you can not possibly get enough P and K, even with a 3 part system. i can show you differentially, 2+ lb's per light with only a base 2 part, no additives or PK boosters, so im wondering, why do you say that you can not possibly get enough P or K?

and with silica, you say it cant go into solution. but i used to get frequent lockout in flowering from using to much silica. once i stopped using silica, the lockout stopped.....

just wondering, not talking shit or anything.

 

[krunchbubble]

I'd say nutes that claim not to require additives are more marketing driven than reality.

So I'd be a bit wary of claims that we make a nutrient that doesn't require addities.

see why i may have been confused?

So in your case at the very least you need to run side by side trials where everything (temp, RH, light spectrum etc) are precisely the same with two different nutrient regimes.

i have access to just about every nutrient available on the market. my group of growers constantly do side by sides grows to find the products....

my last grow i decided to try heads formula(GH 6ml micro,10ml bloom)with a little pbp at 1/8 strength, to throw some organics in there.
the quality and weight of this grow is phenomenal, really blown away, coming from using the House and Garden line....

 

[mr noodles]

i think i am gonna use the mother earth thea in conjunction with maxibloom for my next grow . ( its one of the rare thea available here)

any recent opinion on this product , used it several years ago and was quite satisfied but is it still the same ? (was using the sensi a&b)

also with their stupid ph perfect crap they said not to use ph adjusting product.....is their product are compatible or they are rectal to the limit and incompatible ?

and i wonder if all their stuff is converted into their ph/ppm line ....that mean they are incompatible because of the ph adjustment ?

 

[ShroomDr]

I'd say nutes that claim not to require additives are more marketing driven than reality. You cannot possibly get the PK levels ito a nute that are required in full bloom (they simply won't remain in solution) so even with 3 part nutes additional P and K are needed (not to try to contradict you ad sorry if it seems this way, its just that I've mixed a lot of formulas myself and know this to be true). Other beneficial additives also can't go into solution - elements such as potassium silicate etc. Silica is now seen as an essential mineral element for plants and no nute concentrate can contain the levels required (silica precipitates from solution). So I'd be a bit wary of claims that we make a nutrient that doesn't require addities. AN though must make really shitty nutrients if you require as many additives as they claim.

Si is the second most abundant element on the earths crust, plants appear to have evolved around it.
Si is in the carbon group, elements grouped together on the periodic table have lots of similarities (C and Si specifically).

Ive seen suggestions that Si may be essential for rice, but certainly not MJ.

Perhaps and explanation of where plants growin in a DWC are getting Si? Ive seen plenty of plants in DWC that look terrific, without Si supplementation.






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[Lack]

... f it

 

[krunchbubble]

Herein lies the problem. Si is not available in quantity in hydro growing. There is some Si available in tap water but very little. If you're using RO there is no Si present. So if you are growing in soil yes there is Si present but its breakdown and hence uptake is slow and is done so by plants by producing an acid of approx pH 2.7 in the rhizosphere. I disagree - as does research- that Si is not for cannabis. It has been demonstrated over and over again that dicots (e.g. pine, cannabis etc) benefit greatly from Si. My suggestion is try using some and see what happens - other than reducing bud rot , it sets up a tight matrix that protects the plants from disease and pests. It is also demonstrated to be an essential mineral element in all species - not just rice. Look guys, at the end of the day you have the right to grow any way you like and I wish you the best with it. There are no absolute givens and all genetics will vary somewhat with optimal nutritional requirements. I have the lab analysis for GH 3 part and I can tell you now that given their formulas and dilution rates they don't nearly have enough P and K in the Bloom and that some additional P and K will likely help. Bottom line is I don't sell nutrients (I don't even buy nutrients these days) so there's no benefit to me offering up some insights. Enjoy.

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Ø Soluble Salts mmhos/cm 258.
Ø Copper Cu ppm 6.25
> pH 3.20
Ø Zinc Zn ppm .584
> Alkalinity ** ppm .000 *
Ø Molybdenum Mo ppm .000
> Calcium Ca ppm 53.1
Ø Aluminum Al ppm .000
> Magnesium Mg ppm 16470.00
Ø Nitrate NO3-N ppm 205.
> Sodium Na ppm 211.
Ø Ammonium NH4-N ppm .000
> Chloride Cl ppm 196.
Ø Urea UREA-N ppm 66.3
> Boron B ppm .000
Ø Total Nitrogen N ppm 272.
> Iron Fe ppm 4.74
Ø Phosphorus P ppm 27070.00
> Manganese Mn ppm 1.19
Ø Potassium K ppm 32440.00
> Sulfur S ppm 22010.00
Ø P as P205 ppm 61990.30
> K as K20 ppm 38928.00

i find what you have to say interesting. i was JUST going to bring up that i use silica for bud rot. used to use to much and was getting that P lock...

 

[gmanwho]

while were on silica, in the past years since using Silica Blast it has helped me fight off pests. it has increased my final weights, my stems in hydro are no longer hollow. I get stiffer an stronger plant structures period. Silica blast at 5mil a gal is my friend.

B-safe

 

[ShroomDr]

My very simple postulation was sidestepped, how would a mediumless DWC (which has no significant source of Si) do EXCELLENT if Si is essential?



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[Mr Celsius]

My very simple postulation was sidestepped, how would a mediumless DWC (which has no significant source of Si) do EXCELLENT if Si is essential?



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Who cares if its essential or not. It fuggin' works and works well.

I love you guys doing your scientific jargon back and forth, I learn a lot from it, but when all is said and done... grow some weed and see the results.

For all of the science in the world about plant nutrition, modern agriculture can't touch the health and sustainability of 'organic' (i hate that word), sustainably grown pasture/farmland.

But whatever gets you off at the end of the day... keep doing what you're doin'.

 

[ShroomDr]

Who cares if its essential or not. It fuggin' works and works well.

I love you guys doing your scientific jargon back and forth, I learn a lot from it, but when all is said and done... grow some weed and see the results.

For all of the science in the world about plant nutrition, modern agriculture can't touch the health and sustainability of 'organic' (i hate that word), sustainably grown pasture/farmland.

But whatever gets you off at the end of the day... keep doing what you're doin'.

HE STATED IT WAS ESSENTIAL.

WTF do you mean?

You can call it 'scientific jargon', i call it truth or fiction. Half the shit he posted was complete bullshit (most likely parroted from a bullshit source) i just picked up on the Si comment.



BOTTOM LINE, If Si is an essential element, you couldnt grow in a DWC without supplementation.




Feel free to bury your head in the sand, I care if someone is spreading misinformation, i think it should be pointed out. And FWIW i do supplement with Si, i do think it helps with rigidity, and possible insect resistance, but that doesnt make it an essential element.

by your previous posts it seems that you are very knowledgeable in nutrient profiles.....

Seems is the key word.

Bottom line is...I don't even buy nutrients these days... so there's no benefit to me offering up some insights. Enjoy.

We agree!

 

[grasspass]

(Hit the edit button in your post by accident, meant to hit quote: )
Just curious, what did you pay for those 3 bottles?
Their are nutes that are even more simple, that don't need additives...

It was about 8 dollars per 1 liter bottle,maybe? Don't remember. It works good , but next time buying , I'm trying less expensive nutes.

 

[Mr Celsius]

HE STATED IT WAS ESSENTIAL.

WTF do you mean?

You can call it 'scientific jargon', i call it truth or fiction. Half the shit he posted was complete bullshit (most likely parroted from a bullshit source) i just picked up on the Si comment.



BOTTOM LINE, If Si is an essential element, you couldnt grow in a DWC without supplementation.




Feel free to bury your head in the sand, I care if someone is spreading misinformation, i think it should be pointed out. And FWIW i do supplement with Si, i do think it helps with rigidity, and possible insect resistance, but that doesnt make it an essential element.

Bro, I think you're taking what I said wrong. I consider you a friend on here and respect what you were saying, always do... well not this post, but everything else.

First off, chill.

Second, I was just saying it doesn't matter what people say, when its all said and done, go grow some weed and see what happens.

 

[ShroomDr]

I'll drop this, none of this is has been on topic about AN, but my simple question was not answered, only sidestepped by multiple poor excuses for cut and pastes. Forget user success with CNS, Floranova or any other 'one part', and his assertions that supplementation is a necessity.

Its wasnt bolded to yell at you MrC, my apologies if this was your interpretation, its a very simple hypothesis, bolded twice, blowing a hole in the 'Si is essential' assertion.

 

[ShroomDr]

Shroom to just respond to your latest distortion re cutting and pasting in very valid research.


I would say it was very clear that those are not my words but the words of experts who have conducted Si research (wouldn't you think so?). You see shroom its important that people get access to the science and as I expect no one here has researched Si in any credible way what we are left with is cut and pasting others research (wouldn't you agree?). Or should we as you do make grandiose and contradictory statements that only serve to disinform readers. And yes this thread is about AN but then I guess its pretty much run its course.

My distortion? What have i distorted? Copy and Paste in NOT 'very valid' research. You dont even read what you type, why should i read what you paste?



No one needs to go beyond these forums searching for the two holes i blew in your statements.
1). There are plenty of people using CNS17, Floranova, etc, without supplements, and they do GREAT!

2.) Si is not essential, if Si were essential, one could not grow in a mediumless DWC without Si supplementation.



So do you know what the word essential means?





I dont need to read your poorly formatted 'cut and paste research', when my very simple 'hypothesis science' is glaring you in the face. Im think im done with this, anyone with half a wit should be able to sort this all out. You cant answer a very simple hypothesis.

 

[Guest 18340]

So is it settled yet?
Back to hating/loving Advanced Nutrients

 

[swordfish]

I have slowly been swaping out advanced products for other companies. for example I use great white, a diffrent silica product, cannazyme. I have tried other base nutrients and programs and always go back to advanced. I recently ran soul synthetics from Aurora and I thought it was crap. Completly ph unstable and the plants did not react well. What I have found is that thier base nutrients are well priced, easy to use and just work. Other products I swear by are b52; big bud; and the bud candy I hate the price and fancey pack but its conveniant and it works. Bud Ignightor I use but Im on the fence about. this run im dropping the overdrive and trying out bloomblastic.