Advanced Nutrients, Love it or Hate it, State your claim!

[Clackamas Coot]

So is it settled yet?

Good luck with that!

CC

 

[ShroomDr]

I thought it was settled when you claimed Si is essential, and i proved it is NOT.

Or was it when you claimed that 'You cannot possibly get the PK levels ito a nute that are required in full bloom', and i referenced successful grows with 'one part' nutrients like CNS17 and Floranova.

Your welcome.

 

[tester]

"You cannot possibly get the PK levels ito a nute that are required in full bloom"

I think this statement isn't true in it's present form, but I see where it's coming from.

In concentrated stock solutions -if the conditions are right - precipitation will form, usually Ca or Fe phosphates or Ca sulfate.

But conditions like pH also plays a big role, if it's low enough there will be a little or no precipitation.
Chelating agents like EDTA will also prevent Ca solids to form.

So I believe that low pH, chelating agents and dilute concentrations are effectively preventing Ca, Mg, Fe from forming insoluble phosphates or sulfates in a stock solution.

Some links to back it up:

"Calcium is an important nutrient which is called for in many plant nutrition formulations, but calcium salts cannot be used together with the conventional phosphorous sources-monoammonium phosphate and diammonium phosphate-as the pHs which these phosphate sources provide are too high (not acidic enough) to give adequate solubility to the calcium ions and thus give rise to precipitation of the calcium salts in the stock solution and in the proportioners.
Potassium phosphate or sodium phosphate can be used as soluble phosphorous sources but these are either expensive or not conducive to plant growth. Phosphoric acid can be used but is a liquid and hazardous to handle. Therefore, a grower wishing to fertilize with both calcium and phosphorous, without resorting to the use of an alkali metal phosphate or liquid phosphorous acid, will need to inject these two elements separately.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5492553.html

"Urea phosphate, by the effect it has on solution
pH, prevents the formation of calcium phosphate, mag-
nesium phosphate and iron phosphate, which are not
soluble. Similarly, the low pH helps prevent calcium
from precipitating in the presence of sulfate ions which
may be present. Therefore, when urea phosphate is used
as a primary phosphorous source, it will make possible
the inclusion of phosphorous and a metal such as cal-
cium, magnesium or iron in one compound fertilizer,
without the use of chelates or the disadvantage of a
precipitate forming. This allows the end user to prepare
and apply a complete nutrient solution using one stock
solution and utilizing one injector. It also makes possi-
ble the inclusion of nonchelated trace nutrients into
phosphorous-containing nutrient solutions without pre-
cipitation. It also allows the fertilizer solution to have
an increased acidifying effect on the growing medium if
needed. In summary, the advantages of using urea phos-
phate as a primary phosphate source in a solid com-
pound fertilizer are:
a. The ability to purchase, prepare and apply a complete
nutrient solution with one stock solution and one
proportioner.
b. The ability to use nonchelated micronutrient trace
elements without reduction in solubility in the stock
solution as is observed using conventional dry phos-
phorus sources.
c. The ability to formulate acidic fertilizers that are sold
as dry solids and thus are less hazardous to the end
user than liquid phosphoric acid-based materials."

http://ip.com/pdf/patent/US5171349.pdf


So I believe it's possible after all, although it's true that under some conditions precipitation will form.

 

[YosemiteSam]

FloraNova Bloom analysis straight from Shroom's own thread.


GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7) (NH4)0.25% (NO3)3.75% Mg2.0% Ca4.0% Fe.1% S2.0%
1380g/946mL = 1.459g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 154
P 134
K 224
Mg 77
Ca 154
S 77
Fe 3.85
B NOT LISTED
Co NOT LISTED
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn NOT LISTED
Mo NOT LISTED
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.

A lot of people use it and have excellent results with it. For my money it has too much P...not too little. It also appears to have plenty of K and Ca.

I would be interested in what, other than the P, you think is wrong with this Mullray. And I ain't picking I am honestly curious.

 

[Guest 18340]

I don't know, mullray, I have pretty damn good results with Maxibloom.
Would you agree? (Mosca's C99BX)

Now, let's try and keep this thread on subject. Not singling you out on that mullray but you can always start a thread on the subject...

 

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Advanced Nutrients is Shady!

Advanced Nutrients is Shady!

Removing for Removalhttp://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/stopsales.shtml

 

[CANNATOPIA]

wow. How sad.

 

[krunchbubble]

State of Oregon ran their own tests on Advanced Nutrients products and found that what was actually in the bottles was not what was on the labels. I guess recently Advanced has been removing the informative labels out for generic labels that don't list what's in the product as well.

This company is shady! Ethics? Where?

http://www.integralhydro.com/AdvancedNutrients2.html

http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/stopsales.shtml

i wonder why you only mentioned advanced nutrients, when just about every other nutrient company is on that list of unregistered and misleading labels.....


atami, gh, botanicare, american agritech all did the same thing, now go tell everyone there shady as well!

hate it when people tell half truths and try to bend the facts into there analogy....

 

[250wscrogger]

I think it's because certain ingredients aren't supposed to be sold in certain states so they just dont list them... not really being shady...

 

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Removing for Removalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpONATTYhM

 

[TurboDog]

I use Blue Mountain organics. YOu can purchase it off e-bay. Its a printed lable clear taped on their bottles made in small batches by a family. It is the best stuff I have ever used and wait till you read the ingredients.

hers their root tonic ingredients-Artesian Spring Water, Worm Castings, Mycorrhizal Fungi, Azomite, Unsulphured (Blackstrap) Molasses, Endo and Ecto Bacteria, and Humic Acid derived from Oak Leaf & Peat Compost.


heres their grow tonic-Artesian Spring Water, High Nitrogen Bat Guano, Worm Castings, Coral Calcium, Unsulphured Molasses, Humic Acid, Beet Root Extract, Comfrey Hay Extract, Alfalfa Meal Extract, Endo and Ecto Bacteria..

look up organic fertalizer on ebay

 

[CANNATOPIA]

I didn't see fox farm on the list whoo hoo lol This is a good read though, TY Oval.

 

[Hoover_lungz]

Because I don't know the story behind the other companies. I only know that Advanced has refused to cooperate with Oregon and California regarding the actual contents in their products. I don't know anything about the others. Apparently they go on that list until the company gives up the information. So being on that list doesn't mean they're a bad company, but being on that list, being caught mislabeling your products, and publicly stating you will not tell what's in your product, is pretty shady.

I always have used Canna but recently started using AN BigBud and Hammerhead and canna A & B as my base nutes, i have to say after 15yrs of growing i have finally found sumting that actually works.

I used to read alot f bullshit on the net about Advanced Nutrients being not so good, but i noticed most the people who posted threads were inexperienced growers or growers who have never tried the product. As far as i know from my personal experiance the Bigbud and Hammerhead is worth the money.

 

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Removing for Removal

 

[krunchbubble]

I think it's because certain ingredients aren't supposed to be sold in certain states so they just dont list them... not really being shady...

this is another fact. i know owners of nutrient company's. a lot of ingredients have to be certified to use, ie.. pay a shitload of cash to have a label on your product....

so, companies do not include the ingredient or call it something else to get by the labeling......

ie- botanicare hydro guard was labeled using beneficials and something else, well, treg(the owner) didn't want to pay the $250k for the labeling and certification. so he renamed the product aqua shield and put down poultry compost solution as the ingredient.....

every company does this........

 

[BigForest]

Gonna try bmo for the price sounds great im done with advance after i finish what i have left.Does any body know the shelf life of conni i dont wanna a shelf it.Thanks turbo dog for telling us about bmo.

 

[TurboDog]

no problem, some times the small batches and family owned operations are the best. I like how everything is added pretty much in their ferts, so you don't have to buy $20.00 here and there addatives and nuts liek other brands like cal/mag and this and that. so what could be a $25.00 fert program you would spend $150.00 on other products. anyways they have a 3 or 4 bottle special on e-bay for like $35.00 shipped I belive. its root tonic,grow,bloom and foliar feed combo and you don't have to worry about adding extra shit for their bloom or veg because its got everything your plant needs and more in it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Organic-Fertili...ertilizer_Soil_Amendments&hash=item3cb2851480

http://cgi.ebay.com/Grow-Green-Orga...ertilizer_Soil_Amendments&hash=item3caf4a947a

second link is so you can see the ingredient lsiting for their grow stuff. first link dosent explain whats in their 4 bottle special.

 

[cirog]

Wow that is very interesting how the facts can be scewed so easily. Companies should have to list what this shit is we buy.

 

[rick shaw]

"Poultry compost solution" sounds like chickenshit.lol

 

[swordfish]

Because I don't know the story behind the other companies. I only know that Advanced has refused to cooperate with Oregon and California regarding the actual contents in their products. I don't know anything about the others. Apparently they go on that list until the company gives up the information. So being on that list doesn't mean they're a bad company, but being on that list, being caught mislabeling your products, and publicly stating you will not tell what's in your product, is pretty shady.

If I stumble upon a breakdown of another nutrient companies products I will post that too, jesus. AN Fanboy much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpONATTYhM

those states have tougher restrictions its just a way to get around the laws, almost every industry involved in packaging chemicals do the same exact things. Major brand cleaning products, swimming pool chemicals etc. Its nothing new and nothing shady your just not educated or in the industry.