Advanced Nutrients is a horrible brand

[Lazyman]

Wow!
Nice of ya. Thanks for blowing my cover.
Sucks Im a new grower in Amsterdam doing a small personal crop with 90% of my posts in this thread.
Dont believe my advice or whatever else. I wasnt giving you any. i have nothing to prove, so if thats my situation as you see it, so be it.
Have a great Day

LOL, your cover?

Yeah, I'm sure THIS post didn't have anything to do with that:

Hi all ..
I'm new here, and i have chosen this forum as my home since it has very edjucated members and friendly folk.
I come from the Amsterdam Area. Love it here, and I have been growing for a short time, and have been having marvelous results.
Well I'll cut this short.
I'm here to learn and give the best advice i possibly can. Also if any one has any questions about the Amsterdam area or whatever, let me know, ill try n answer everything I can.
Have a good one and happy fields.
Thanks - eger-

From your introductory post here at http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2905524#post2905524

On large scales i would not run AN, there I am all about profit and run HESI. And where Im from its not for Medical users, its for tourists(know what im talkign about? probably not.) what i would grow for personal I will only run AN but will say HESI, DM and H&G arent bad ..

That sure sounds like advice to me.

 

[Randybobandy]

Dude I'm not going to read your gay Advanced advertisement. I asked simple question about chelators and quantities. You couldn't get what you wanted from the advanced site but you posted it anyways. When it comes down to it your out of your element. You have no idea what your talking about and you are dead set on proving your point by talking and quoting more. You lack congruencey in regards to your statements and you sir are a tool.
A tool you because of your attitude. But if you wanna play nice billy we are here to talk.
Btw The best weed in the world comes from CALI (for the most part) not tring to hate on other locations. But people in cali don't go to amsterdam for weed. Not for like 10-15 years. We figured it out.

 

[Guest 18340]

Now now guys, lets keep this civil please.
AGrow started this thread because he was not satisfied with AN's JuicyRoots, he even apologized for the misleading title.
I think this threads' usefulness is done, plus theirs another thread for all the AN lovers.
I'd hate to start off with locking this thread so please lets keep things civil and if no one has anything useful to add then let the thread fade with dignity.
Thanks guys.

 

[eger]

LOL, your cover?

Yeah, I'm sure THIS post didn't have anything to do with that:



From your introductory post here at http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2905524#post2905524




That sure sounds like advice to me.

Thats exactly what im saying, i dont have a cover. Just being cynical to your people finder skills and your people perception. I'll just go learn some more, and then maybe i can discuss with you..
In the surroundings that I have found myself in and the people I have met, I have been able to learn fast, efficient and have seen many controled grows. Some in larger scales then others. And? what does that have anythnig to do with it? i guess it didnt take me that long .And my education helped a bit, but still have enough self edecuating left. But that does not mean my opinions are worthless just because you say so and you feel this way.
But like i said im not here to prove anythnig of myself, so your intentions of irritating someone are not successful.

As to your claims of me giving advice? Thats not advice, thats what i would do, i didnt tell someone to do it and no one asked, if so then i could understand you.

This has become pointless and on both sides insulting, maybe i started it, if so Sorry

 

[eger]

Dude I'm not going to read your gay Advanced advertisement. I asked simple question about chelators and quantities. You couldn't get what you wanted from the advanced site but you posted it anyways. When it comes down to it your out of your element. You have no idea what your talking about and you are dead set on proving your point by talking and quoting more. You lack congruencey in regards to your statements and you sir are a tool.
A tool you because of your attitude. But if you wanna play nice billy we are here to talk.
Btw The best weed in the world comes from CALI (for the most part) not tring to hate on other locations. But people in cali don't go to amsterdam for weed. Not for like 10-15 years. We figured it out.

AN uses 2-4 chelators per metal ion ..
As for which chelators

• Ethylenediaminotetraacetic acid, EDTA Ethylenedioxy-diethylene-dinitrilo-tetraacetic acid,
• lonophores Nitrilotriacetic acid, NTA ortho-Phenanthroline
• Salicylic acid
• Amino acids and related compounds
• Peptides
• Phosphates
• Nucleotides
• Tetrapyrrols
• Ferrioxamines
• lonophores, such as gramicidin, monensin, valinomycin
• Phenolics

Plenty of people fly in from Cali everyday claiming this is the best weed they ever smoked " thats where i based my statement"
I myself come from Riverside so I know what high grade dank is out there, which is also found in Amsterdam, but not in a shop. Unless your talking about outdoor .. then ofcourse we all know of Humbolt weed.
Yes my attitude sucks sometimes, I apolagize because first i dont know you and its uncalled for .. But a tool i am

 

[toohighmf]

So if AN was so much better chelated, I guess you really wouldn't need much more than a base fert, used at extremely low dosages. Is that what your saying??? Stacking NPK means to mix boosters & anything w an NPK on top of base. This means anything with w any of the 3 forms of N. Urea, EDTA And cheap nitrates & phosphates to chelate, instead of cutting edge poly amino alcohols & humics.

 

[eger]

A possibility if the plant fed at low dosages. Well can you tell me why you believe Overdrive and Bigbud are good products? Do you use them as stand alone or do you "stack" them onto your base ferts?
And if there was a reason that you no longer use these, what was it?
I'm just curious, but on going debating over this or that is pointless.
I cant know if what I read over AN is fact or not, but they are a business. Dont they have certain guidelines to follow? Or is it just because of the hype they bring? They can state this and sell you that? what i do know is Im very happy with my results and i have high standards like i think most of us do.
peace,

 

[toohighmf]

Liquid big bud used to be a very light NpK of 0-10-4 and was mostly composed of L-Aminos & 7% magnesium. No more Mg in it anymore & thinking of going back to hydroplex which has so low a NPK and is mostly comprised of L-aminos & humics w yucca extract. In all truththe best buds I ever grew was with the old 2+ minus beneficials except I did use voodoo. However I had 2500sq' stacked 12' high of AN in the next room. I used liters of humic & fulvic as PH down every day... Had a crazy formula. it was average yield but the trich production quadrupled in volume & size. Flavor was screwed up using sweetleaf. Never give a good flavored bud a flavor enhancer.. Lesson learned. My second best was with lucas formula, hydroplex, calmg, h2o2, hygrozyme & superthrive. Dutch master gold was great with calmg & superthrive. Best yield... Super bloom 1 part powder & western B1, but the strains were generic yielders. Last grow I fed the plants basic Lucas, hygrozyme, Floralicious+ & flushed weekly with big bud, Epsom salts, superthrive, and I flushed w 200ppms of OD. I'm out of it now and I don't need it.. Can't really say I was stacking NPK

 

[Sea_of_Green]

Advanced Nutrients and Phosphorus

Advanced Nutrients and Phosphorus

So if AN was so much better chelated, I guess you really wouldn't need much more than a base fert, used at extremely low dosages. Is that what your saying??? Stacking NPK means to mix boosters & anything w an NPK on top of base. This means anything with w any of the 3 forms of N. Urea, EDTA And cheap nitrates & phosphates to chelate, instead of cutting edge poly amino alcohols & humics.

I think that's not quite what he's saying, but I get what you mean.

The discussion seems to be about how many minerals a plant needs in order to grow and in order to grow well. If you give a plant too much, then you're going to have problems. If you give a plant too little, then you're going to have troubles.

So, where's the balance?

From what I understand about Advanced Nutrients, they've done a lot of testing on the minerals that plants need in order to grow well, produce heavy harvests, etc. In that research, AN found that P was the mineral that was most overdone in other nutrient solutions. What does that mean?

That means that the more P that a plant is given, and so many other nutes have extremely high P levels, the harsher the smoke in the end. Now, I don't know about you, but that isn't what I'm looking for.

The chelation is simply a process which makes it easier to break down the minerals so they're more available for the plants. However, you still don't want to overdo anything.

That said, as the plant is entering the veg and flowing cycle, the amount of different minerals it needs will change. You might need more N or P or K in order to boost your plants at different cycles.

And this isn't even mentioning what kind of plants you're growing. Hash Bud needs more N than P, but Berlin need low levels of P.

I think no matter what the discussion is, looking into the science behind the logic is the best way to determine whether or not you're giving the plant all that they need.

Advanced Nutrients keeps the P low in Big Bud for this very reason - and that's why people use it on top of the base nutes. Because the science says that this is going to make a better tasting plant. That's really important to a lot of folks.

 

[eger]

Liquid big bud used to be a very light NpK of 0-10-4 and was mostly composed of L-Aminos & 7% magnesium. No more Mg in it anymore & thinking of going back to hydroplex which has so low a NPK and is mostly comprised of L-aminos & humics w yucca extract. In all truththe best buds I ever grew was with the old 2+ minus beneficials except I did use voodoo. However I had 2500sq' stacked 12' high of AN in the next room. I used liters of humic & fulvic as PH down every day... Had a crazy formula. it was average yield but the trich production quadrupled in volume & size. Flavor was screwed up using sweetleaf. Never give a good flavored bud a flavor enhancer.. Lesson learned. My second best was with lucas formula, hydroplex, calmg, h2o2, hygrozyme & superthrive. Dutch master gold was great with calmg & superthrive. Best yield... Super bloom 1 part powder & western B1, but the strains were generic yielders. Last grow I fed the plants basic Lucas, hygrozyme, Floralicious+ & flushed weekly with big bud, Epsom salts, superthrive, and I flushed w 200ppms of OD. I'm out of it now and I don't need it.. Can't really say I was stacking NPK

That with the sweetleaf i agree with 100% although it does very from strain to strain, atleast in my findings, but wouldnt it be rediculous if AN made BB worse then when it was good? I just bought a new bottle and it states 0-2-4 and that sounds to me more accurate to 0-10-4. So i actually think its better. And the L-Aminos and magnesium are still there. The magnesium no longer at 7% but at .7% but that is because of the new ratios of the p&k, do you think maybe after 5 years of not working there they have become serious about being the best and are doing different then when you were employed? because i do believe they are reacting to their findings and i dont believe we are their scientists.
but who knows..
I dont know about their past so much, but currently Im not at all unsatisfeid. I have bottles of GH and HESI laying around, and some of that bloombastic stuff. But i will NOT use it. But then again, I want to do a nice control with these 3 nutes 3 cuttings each. Will be interesting for myself what comes out. Dont think ill be dissapointed, and i sure hope i wont. But then after I will give you my honest opinion if i still think AN is the best or not.
The current products I am using by AN are Iguana Juice, BB, OD, P&T, voodoo, h2,f1 and carboload, oh and Rhino Skin, SensiCal Bloom

 

[Guest 18340]

Please do use the Bloombastic and let us know how it worked out for you! I've been on a mission lately trying to find people that are using it and can show pics.
A side/side would be cool

 

[wholelottasmoke]

That with the sweetleaf i agree with 100% although it does very from strain to strain, atleast in my findings, but wouldnt it be rediculous if AN made BB worse then when it was good? I just bought a new bottle and it states 0-2-4 and that sounds to me more accurate to 0-10-4. So i actually think its better. And the L-Aminos and magnesium are still there. The magnesium no longer at 7% but at .7% but that is because of the new ratios of the p&k, do you think maybe after 5 years of not working there they have become serious about being the best and are doing different then when you were employed? because i do believe they are reacting to their findings and i dont believe we are their scientists.
but who knows..
I dont know about their past so much, but currently Im not at all unsatisfeid. I have bottles of GH and HESI laying around, and some of that bloombastic stuff. But i will NOT use it. But then again, I want to do a nice control with these 3 nutes 3 cuttings each. Will be interesting for myself what comes out. Dont think ill be dissapointed, and i sure hope i wont. But then after I will give you my honest opinion if i still think AN is the best or not.
The current products I am using by AN are Iguana Juice, BB, OD, P&T, voodoo, h2,f1 and carboload, oh and Rhino Skin, SensiCal Bloom

I have to say that I'm surprised to hear that the BB wasn't working out for you. That's just one of my faves. But I guess that sometimes there can be a bad one in the bunch.

Whenever something weird has happened to me with my Advanced Nutrients setup, I've just called the guys up on the customer service line and worked it out.

My hydro store has even been pretty cool with letting me return bottles that don't seem to be doing what they've done in the past. If I were you, I would have returned the bottle to your hydro store and taken advantage of the Advanced Nutrients 100% satisfaction guaranteed thing. You're supposed to be able to return anything that doesn't work. I mean, that's pretty great, isn't it? No risk growing, if you think about it.

I've never had a trouble doing that, so that's my best advice should that ever happen again.

I've run a similar setup to yours too:

Iguana
BB
Overdrive
Voodoo

It's always cool to see what other dudes are doing and whether I can learn how to make my harvests even bigger. I mean, I don't need that much smoke, but it never hurts to grow as much as possible.

At least, my friends don't seem to care.

Cool to find you on the board, man. Hoping to watch your babies grow up and get heavy as can be.

 

[microgram]

I've been told that AN has gotten a lot better than it was back when they first started. Which is to be expected, but I've had amazing success with cloning gel bought from most hardware stores, including my end-of-the-block hydro store. It's called Roots I believe, comes in powder and gel, only use gel though. I've taken, god knows how many clones from how many plants (Including herbs, and ornamentals), and 99.9% have rooted successfully. (Only lost a few due to their small size, sterilization is your friend.)
I'm a huge fan of optimum hydroponix.

 

[THC_Decapitator]

Please do use the Bloombastic and let us know how it worked out for you! I've been on a mission lately trying to find people that are using it and can show pics.
A side/side would be cool

I am using bloombastic , so far allot of resin and aroma . The buds dont seem as large as when using big-bud , but the resin and the nugs are sticky and stinky as hell .

I was wondering about using honey as a carb during bloom . I think GrowDoc uses honey ? I could be wrong . I have some nice natural honey here and I would love to try some if it works .

 

[trugreens]

Advanced Nutrients is a super cool brand

Advanced Nutrients is a super cool brand

You know, reading these answers, I have to step into the discussion too. One of the things that I really appreciate from Advanced Nutrients is that their low phosphorus levels are actually healthier for you.

From what I've researched, it seems that phosphorus is actually really, really bad for you. I'm reading that it's carcinogenic, and that's certainly not something I want in my smoke or in MMJ. That just doesn't seem to make sense why other nutrient companies would want to include so much P in their formulas.

One time, when I used another brand's product (I'll play nice and not name names), I noticed that the joints just wouldn't stay lit as long as they would when I used the harvest from a strictly Advanced Nutrients setup. Maybe that's the P again? I wonder....any scientists out there?

I've also noticed that whenever I've smoked anything that I didn't grow myself that I tend to cough more and it just tastes harsher. That's got to be due to the carcinogenic properties of P.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sticking with nutes with low P values. Just makes sense to me and this also seems to make AN a bit of a trailblazer in terms of trying something different - with some awesome results from what I've seen.

Now I just wish we could change the title of this thread - seems a little harsh.....

 

[Guest 18340]

You could always join the AN lovers thread...

 

[HydroIndustry]

Hi Big Mike

Hi Big Mike

You know, reading these answers, I have to step into the discussion too. One of the things that I really appreciate from Advanced Nutrients is that their low phosphorus levels are actually healthier for you.

From what I've researched, it seems that phosphorus is actually really, really bad for you. I'm reading that it's carcinogenic, and that's certainly not something I want in my smoke or in MMJ. That just doesn't seem to make sense why other nutrient companies would want to include so much P in their formulas.

One time, when I used another brand's product (I'll play nice and not name names), I noticed that the joints just wouldn't stay lit as long as they would when I used the harvest from a strictly Advanced Nutrients setup. Maybe that's the P again? I wonder....any scientists out there?

I've also noticed that whenever I've smoked anything that I didn't grow myself that I tend to cough more and it just tastes harsher. That's got to be due to the carcinogenic properties of P.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sticking with nutes with low P values. Just makes sense to me and this also seems to make AN a bit of a trailblazer in terms of trying something different - with some awesome results from what I've seen.

Now I just wish we could change the title of this thread - seems a little harsh.....

Probably shouldn't be surprised, coming from the owner of Advanced Nutrients. Hi Big Mike!

 

[HydroIndustry]

In all fairness, that Sea_of_Green fellow a few posts back is Big Mike as well.

 

[Ganja D]

In all fairness, that Sea_of_Green fellow a few posts back is Big Mike as well.

Either way doesn't he have a point. If that dude is big Mike, check out my AN is an amazing brand thread. There's some people who have posted there considering switching to AN, I'm sure they'd appreciate some input.

 

[eger]

Actually in all fairness logic helps sometimes ... I'm Jeorge Cervantes, didnt you figure that out?? J/K

Evlme2, what is Mosca Seeds? From whom, from where, from what? Interested because I'd like to find something special them next that hasnt been in my area, but its a long shot now adays ..