Count your self blessed. How many sons can describe their dad that way? I'd love to think I'm that kind of man but I'm sure my kids don't see it that way.
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Count your self blessed. How many sons can describe their dad that way? I'd love to think I'm that kind of man but I'm sure my kids don't see it that way.
deepwaterdude
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As suspected, bit of root rot.
As suspected, bit of root rot.
Absolutely right, I'm lucky. But he changed a lot around 65, and then with prostate cancer after that, softened him. Age is the great equalizer.
I'm surprised by the root rot, as usual
I covered her medium with garbage bag to keep light out of the roots; could be part. Temps were so good, I don't know where it came from.
No worries; I dropped her into a bucket of RO, maybe 1/2 hour bath in 6ml per gallon H202 while scrubbing out her bucket, the res, the stones, the lines, then, plop, back in she goes with 950ppm and a tad more H2O2 than normal. I'm hoping she bounces back and reflowers a bit, but out of the tent, she's a big girl with a lot of buds and should they get to fatten, she'll be plenty. I had been using the soup from her res to feed GT, cut at least in half, but that might explain why she shut down so early too.
I've got a bad itch to pop the Kali china x Zam asap, so however we do here is fine
As suspected, bit of root rot.
Absolutely right, I'm lucky. But he changed a lot around 65, and then with prostate cancer after that, softened him. Age is the great equalizer.
I'm surprised by the root rot, as usual
I covered her medium with garbage bag to keep light out of the roots; could be part. Temps were so good, I don't know where it came from. No worries; I dropped her into a bucket of RO, maybe 1/2 hour bath in 6ml per gallon H202 while scrubbing out her bucket, the res, the stones, the lines, then, plop, back in she goes with 950ppm and a tad more H2O2 than normal. I'm hoping she bounces back and reflowers a bit, but out of the tent, she's a big girl with a lot of buds and should they get to fatten, she'll be plenty. I had been using the soup from her res to feed GT, cut at least in half, but that might explain why she shut down so early too.
I've got a bad itch to pop the Kali china x Zam asap, so however we do here is fine
deepwaterdude
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It occurs to me that I got my name slightly wrong. It's misleading. SO instead of deepwaterdude, implying that I master deep water culture, it should read "dudeindeepwater", which implies that there're always serious issues to fix over here A tad more accurate. Haven't seen the girls yet this morning, but am going to look in, see if Pam perked up after H2o2 flush.
Edit: Looked in and she's perky, but older leaves still going limp, yellowing, tips dying then curling and then leaf falling off. BUds look OK but you can see she's not doing what she could. I don't defoliate at the moment because she's sucking from her leaves what she can't get from her recovering roots.
Goodday everyone, DinDW.
A tad more accurate. Haven't seen the girls yet this morning, but am going to look in, see if Pam perked up after H2o2 flush. Edit: Looked in and she's perky, but older leaves still going limp, yellowing, tips dying then curling and then leaf falling off. BUds look OK but you can see she's not doing what she could. I don't defoliate at the moment because she's sucking from her leaves what she can't get from her recovering roots.
Goodday everyone, DinDW.
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deepwaterdude
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New measures taken, now it's up to her.
New measures taken, now it's up to her.
SO this morning I decided to kill off any remaining algae or rot by giving her a triple dip; twice in H202, filling 2 5gal buckets w/4 gal RO plus around 6ml per gal h202 with an air stone.
In this she sat for about fifteen minutes first bucket; then lift drain, dip, drain, etc and into the new bucket for same treatment. Get rid of left over water. This helps sanitize the roots and removes dead matter. The roots actually looked pretty good after the first go round last week with H2O2 and with sealing any light leaks to the root zone via black plastic over the medium and tube entries.
This kills all beneficials and nasties in the root system (microbes, bacterium), so to repopulate the beneficials I used a 30minute inoculation in Root Dip at 60ml per .5 gal water, as per the bottle. She sat in that soup with an air stone for a half hour, then I changed out her res water to get rid of remaining h202 that would again kill the beneficials she just got, poured a half gal of root dip soup to her bucket and again she got to sit back down in her comfort zone, where she is now, looking like she just got an enema.
taking her out for a spin was good, so I could see clearly who/how she is, and things will be good in the end. Here proof.
New measures taken, now it's up to her.
SO this morning I decided to kill off any remaining algae or rot by giving her a triple dip; twice in H202, filling 2 5gal buckets w/4 gal RO plus around 6ml per gal h202 with an air stone.
In this she sat for about fifteen minutes first bucket; then lift drain, dip, drain, etc and into the new bucket for same treatment. Get rid of left over water. This helps sanitize the roots and removes dead matter. The roots actually looked pretty good after the first go round last week with H2O2 and with sealing any light leaks to the root zone via black plastic over the medium and tube entries.
This kills all beneficials and nasties in the root system (microbes, bacterium), so to repopulate the beneficials I used a 30minute inoculation in Root Dip at 60ml per .5 gal water, as per the bottle. She sat in that soup with an air stone for a half hour, then I changed out her res water to get rid of remaining h202 that would again kill the beneficials she just got, poured a half gal of root dip soup to her bucket and again she got to sit back down in her comfort zone, where she is now, looking like she just got an enema.
taking her out for a spin was good, so I could see clearly who/how she is, and things will be good in the end. Here proof.
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deepwaterdude
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lookin uppity today, good energy, nice coat of crystal
lookin uppity today, good energy, nice coat of crystal
here's 24hrs post dips. Almost 7 weeks flower. Don't think the dwc will go more than another 2/3 weeks, and has 16 good branches that'll yield OK in quantity and very high in quality buds. Unbelievable how fast she went from abundant healthy growth @ 10 days back, to losing almost all o her water leaves from the root problem (that I now believe was algae from light leaks to the roots through the medium). GT is the most crystally ornamental plant I've ever seen. I flowered this one tiny, around 6" tall, compared to her mom @ 3 ft tall who yielded huge plumes of flowers.
Anyhoo, getting ready to set up some bean popping for the 2017 testers, which are Kali china x Zam and Panama Goddess x Zam. Many ways to go; two tents with 4 and 6 plants respectively, or just 4 in the small or 6-8 in the large, bit of both strains. I'm thinking of flowering small in 3 gal coco with the blumats doing the feeding. Although, it occurs to me things will express their differences better if I let them get to maturity, so maybe manifolding them would be more fun. Prolly go fast in coco and still need at least six weeks veg that way for a humble yet mouthwatering 8 tops each. Since ace was so generous with what promise to be some killer genetics, I plan to document the grow a la Zanddar for the gene/bean freaks And so dubi can see clearly whatever it is he's looking for.
Happy new year, everyone, and good riddance 2016
lookin uppity today, good energy, nice coat of crystal
here's 24hrs post dips. Almost 7 weeks flower. Don't think the dwc will go more than another 2/3 weeks, and has 16 good branches that'll yield OK in quantity and very high in quality buds. Unbelievable how fast she went from abundant healthy growth @ 10 days back, to losing almost all o her water leaves from the root problem (that I now believe was algae from light leaks to the roots through the medium). GT is the most crystally ornamental plant I've ever seen. I flowered this one tiny, around 6" tall, compared to her mom @ 3 ft tall who yielded huge plumes of flowers.
Anyhoo, getting ready to set up some bean popping for the 2017 testers, which are Kali china x Zam and Panama Goddess x Zam. Many ways to go; two tents with 4 and 6 plants respectively, or just 4 in the small or 6-8 in the large, bit of both strains. I'm thinking of flowering small in 3 gal coco with the blumats doing the feeding. Although, it occurs to me things will express their differences better if I let them get to maturity, so maybe manifolding them would be more fun. Prolly go fast in coco and still need at least six weeks veg that way for a humble yet mouthwatering 8 tops each. Since ace was so generous with what promise to be some killer genetics, I plan to document the grow a la Zanddar for the gene/bean freaks
And so dubi can see clearly whatever it is he's looking for. Happy new year, everyone, and good riddance 2016
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HarvestMoon303
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It doesn't seem like algae alone would kill your plant in 10 days. Sometimes cyanobacteria is called "algae". How are the water temps? I have only run 2 plants in DWC, but in F&D, I routinely had algae and never had root rot/cyanobacteria/dead or dying plants.
deepwaterdude
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Hay Harvest Moon, I think brown slime is what I'm talking about, as opposed to root rot. Water temps were very cool for the first few weeks; in the 50s, then I got the aquarium heater for the res and it effectively lifted the temps ten degrees where they hover around 67. Only once over 70f and for a few hours. No where near or over 75. I'm used to having the top growstones turn a bit green, but that's it. Thanks fer looking in, dwd
deepwaterdude
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AS to the above, I now think it's root aphids. I thought they were fungus gnats and no biggie, but the symptoms of curling and dying leaves and low yields point to that. Tad disappointed, but need to see her in natural light to be sure what she'll give. She's getting flushed for the next week or so and then out she goes and in goes the GT, who I'm sure will appreciate the extra light. They're both at 8.5 weeks true flower. Trichs need time on both. Dat's da news. dwd
deepwaterdude
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9 week Pam update: confirmed root aphids.
9 week Pam update: confirmed root aphids.
this is the first time I've ever seen these, and of course, turns out there's a whole forum on them compared to fungus gnats. These suckers kill yields. I can attest to that. This plant has the biggest stems I've ever seen, and yielded like a 2 gal soil grow. Nice quality on the buds, though Just not nearly what the plant could support.
I picked her out of her bucket to see how the roots were faring and was very surprised to see there's a real infestation; flyers hanging on the roots and coming off the top of the medium. i killed a many, but at this point, really no point. I'm going to see if she can mature a little and take her at ten weeks. I raised her water levels up to the basket in an attempt to drown the suckers in the pocket between basket and water, neemed the medium, pepperminted the flyers and added just about the most incorrect thing I could think of for an infestation of any sort; molasses. The bugs that don't drown are gonna dance, but only for a week. I've also turned off the top feed to dry out the roots in the basket and create less hospitable conditions for the critters.
GT has had the same problem, and I suspect the coco for harboring the pests. It looks like the best therapy would be to wipe the slate clean, and the apparati, and get started on the exciting new genetics we're all curious about. I've seen some great starts already with the new batch of testers; I think Levitation of me, you've got some beauts going, and maybe syd, too. And someone who starts with an H... or a B. And that dude with the amazing array of lights and some beautiful plants under them. Anyway, you've got my curiosity going, and so does doing a more successful grow.
I've done so much Panama lately that I've decided to start with the Kali China x Zamaldelica.
That's the nudes. Here're the pics.
9 week Pam update: confirmed root aphids.
this is the first time I've ever seen these, and of course, turns out there's a whole forum on them compared to fungus gnats. These suckers kill yields. I can attest to that. This plant has the biggest stems I've ever seen, and yielded like a 2 gal soil grow. Nice quality on the buds, though
Just not nearly what the plant could support. I picked her out of her bucket to see how the roots were faring and was very surprised to see there's a real infestation; flyers hanging on the roots and coming off the top of the medium. i killed a many, but at this point, really no point. I'm going to see if she can mature a little and take her at ten weeks. I raised her water levels up to the basket in an attempt to drown the suckers in the pocket between basket and water, neemed the medium, pepperminted the flyers and added just about the most incorrect thing I could think of for an infestation of any sort; molasses. The bugs that don't drown are gonna dance, but only for a week. I've also turned off the top feed to dry out the roots in the basket and create less hospitable conditions for the critters.
GT has had the same problem, and I suspect the coco for harboring the pests. It looks like the best therapy would be to wipe the slate clean, and the apparati, and get started on the exciting new genetics we're all curious about. I've seen some great starts already with the new batch of testers; I think Levitation of me, you've got some beauts going, and maybe syd, too. And someone who starts with an H... or a B. And that dude with the amazing array of lights and some beautiful plants under them. Anyway, you've got my curiosity going, and so does doing a more successful grow.
I've done so much Panama lately that I've decided to start with the Kali China x Zamaldelica.
That's the nudes. Here're the pics.
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Levitationofme
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Bugs suck lol. I found I had insect issues when I used Coco Coir every time. Fungus Gnats
at least. I was thinking of Baking the dam crap before using it but I switched to SWC.
Shallow Water Container as I had little space 2 gallon buckets. My dad brought his mites from his grow to mine........ I fucked that round up good. Lessons.
I am going to try some soil nematodes and some other beneficial insects in my dad's grow. What the hell. Not sure if the nematodes work in DWC.
Damn nice plants, says something about the overall health if they can still deal with infestation and make nice buds.
at least. I was thinking of Baking the dam crap before using it but I switched to SWC.
Shallow Water Container as I had little space 2 gallon buckets. My dad brought his mites from his grow to mine........ I fucked that round up good. Lessons.
I am going to try some soil nematodes and some other beneficial insects in my dad's grow. What the hell. Not sure if the nematodes work in DWC.
Damn nice plants, says something about the overall health if they can still deal with infestation and make nice buds.
deepwaterdude
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Hey, Levitate
This last part is especially true. That and the first and middle part. I'd probably have done better on pure H2O. Gee, I'd love to see some beneficials alongside all the nasties once in a while. Can you explain your SWC setup in a bit of detail or direct me to something on it? you're getting great results and I haven't found much googling it.
That said, since I've laid eyes on these here gnats it's been all out war. Someone forgot to tell them I'm a tad OCD, and will sit smushing flyers for hours without breaking concentration, convinced I'm doing some good. I take this shit personally. They've sent out peace ambassadors and I've kicked them into the pit. I'm disappointed when there are none left to kill. And in this ridiculous way, I will buy my babe this next week to walk in beauty to the finish line.
Pam's on .3 EC Calmag and leftover nutes until the chop, and I've taken out the aq warmer so she gets the idea full on. Just changed out her water for last time today. Dats da nudes, that and GT is throwing more bananas than anything else and may come down, too, though there be nothing to pollinate.
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Levitationofme
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Shallow Water Culture is using 2 gallon buckets, not 5.
Lol. I have a 5 ft tall grow space.
Lol. I have a 5 ft tall grow space.
Levitationofme
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I wonder if somehow these would work
Rove beetle (Dalotia coriaria) or Atheta coriaria
Target Pests: Shore flies (Ephydridae), fungus gnats (Sciaridae), western flower thrips (Frankliniella occidentalis), root aphids
Description: Rove beetle (Dalotia coriaria), formerly known as Atheta coriaria, is a native species of a soil-dwelling rove beetle which feeds on small insects and mites. Both adults and larvae are active aggressive predators and are attracted to decomposing plant or animal material and algae, where their hosts are found. While they are beetles, they do not necessarily look like beetles. They are light to dark brown in color, with adults being 3-4 mm long. They are slender with short wing covers. Rove beetles have an interesting habit of curving their abdomen upwards like scorpions and can run or fly when disturbed (usually close to the ground). Since they can actively fly, they rapidly colonize the release area. However, too many Atheta in flight may be because of disturbance to their home.
Use in Biological Control: Rove beetles are used primarily to assist in the control of shore flies and fungus gnats and other small arthropods in the soil or planting media. They also help control soil stages of thrips and feed on most other small soil organisms such as moth flies, springtails, and root mealybugs.
It has been used successfully in vegetable, bedding and potted plant production and seedling and cutting propagation. Atheta adapts well to the various growth media (including rockwool and coconut fiber) and capillary mats used in plant production. They will not survive freezing or flooding conditions.
Rove beetle (Dalotia coriaria) or Atheta coriaria
Target Pests: Shore flies (Ephydridae), fungus gnats (Sciaridae), western flower thrips (Frankliniella occidentalis), root aphids
Description: Rove beetle (Dalotia coriaria), formerly known as Atheta coriaria, is a native species of a soil-dwelling rove beetle which feeds on small insects and mites. Both adults and larvae are active aggressive predators and are attracted to decomposing plant or animal material and algae, where their hosts are found. While they are beetles, they do not necessarily look like beetles. They are light to dark brown in color, with adults being 3-4 mm long. They are slender with short wing covers. Rove beetles have an interesting habit of curving their abdomen upwards like scorpions and can run or fly when disturbed (usually close to the ground). Since they can actively fly, they rapidly colonize the release area. However, too many Atheta in flight may be because of disturbance to their home.
Use in Biological Control: Rove beetles are used primarily to assist in the control of shore flies and fungus gnats and other small arthropods in the soil or planting media. They also help control soil stages of thrips and feed on most other small soil organisms such as moth flies, springtails, and root mealybugs.
It has been used successfully in vegetable, bedding and potted plant production and seedling and cutting propagation. Atheta adapts well to the various growth media (including rockwool and coconut fiber) and capillary mats used in plant production. They will not survive freezing or flooding conditions.
Levitationofme
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perhaps the roots hanging in the air growing into the water wont be too wet for them.
No I have yet to use a bug to fight a bug, but I plan on it next issue I have. My Pop's grow in Mass is in basement and we are constantly fighting little infestations. Im ordering something when I get up there and check it out.
No I have yet to use a bug to fight a bug, but I plan on it next issue I have. My Pop's grow in Mass is in basement and we are constantly fighting little infestations. Im ordering something when I get up there and check it out.
deepwaterdude
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Aha, lol. My first dwc was SWC, whodathunk? I've got a nice three bucket 3gal setup that's pretty cool.
I think you'd gain even more headroom with NFT, and man have I seen some great plants that way.
Things are getting stinky in their room. Cut soon.
dwd
Levitationofme
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My plants almost won when I did the Bubbler Buckets.
They grew faster then I could deal with in my space. LOL
Good problem to have.
I had trouble nailing the nutrients. Now I understand much more and I had figured out how MUCH nutrients my plants could tolerate.
DOH
The results were excellent, much better then I could buy. I noticed though that I had made them a bit generic by pushing. if you know what I mean.
Im tossing the next 3 plants in a 2 gallon SIPs. I spent 35 years Line Cookin with huge loud exhaust fans running every second.
The Noise of the Fans, Light Fans, Bubblers and such drove me NUTS! No Peace even at home LOL.
I have modified successfully and still have all my fingers. Now My AC is louder
What I loved about DWC was that things are easy to build a routine
around. Plants responded quickly to changes so it was a quicker route to fixing issues. Plus, of course in the hands of someone who
knows what they are doing, it grows fast and thick.
I hope to show a friend up in Maine this summer the DWC method.
It suites his personality. I'm sure Ill be posting like mad when the time comes setting it up right.
They grew faster then I could deal with in my space. LOL
Good problem to have.
I had trouble nailing the nutrients. Now I understand much more and I had figured out how MUCH nutrients my plants could tolerate.
DOH
The results were excellent, much better then I could buy. I noticed though that I had made them a bit generic by pushing. if you know what I mean.
Im tossing the next 3 plants in a 2 gallon SIPs. I spent 35 years Line Cookin with huge loud exhaust fans running every second.
The Noise of the Fans, Light Fans, Bubblers and such drove me NUTS! No Peace even at home LOL.
I have modified successfully and still have all my fingers. Now My AC is louder
What I loved about DWC was that things are easy to build a routine
around. Plants responded quickly to changes so it was a quicker route to fixing issues. Plus, of course in the hands of someone who
knows what they are doing, it grows fast and thick.
I hope to show a friend up in Maine this summer the DWC method.
It suites his personality. I'm sure Ill be posting like mad when the time comes setting it up right.
deepwaterdude
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2 days out
2 days out
I know what you mean, hydro can be super scary speedwise and yieldwise. My first successful grow was with critical plus, 3 in three gal buckets and at the end, I remember sitting there with this huge basket of nugs, just crazy dense and healthy. More pot than I'd ever seen at that point.
I hear consistently how good DWC is for veg and how potentially problematic in flower, when there's no/little new root growth. I found coco very easy; so much so I may go back to it, especially with the blumats.
Anyway, here're pics from a few minutes back, under lights and in more natural light. She's close, just a couple of days now. I cry when I see the diameter of the trunk on this puppy, and how she could've done sans root aphids. Almost silver dollar round. Extremely frosty stuff, that said. GT may come down too, although no pics this time, nothing much to show. I'm itching to start a few fem Kali China x Zam. Have to harvest, clean everything spotless, choose the medium and then off we go.
2 days out
I know what you mean, hydro can be super scary speedwise and yieldwise. My first successful grow was with critical plus, 3 in three gal buckets and at the end, I remember sitting there with this huge basket of nugs, just crazy dense and healthy. More pot than I'd ever seen at that point.
I hear consistently how good DWC is for veg and how potentially problematic in flower, when there's no/little new root growth. I found coco very easy; so much so I may go back to it, especially with the blumats.
Anyway, here're pics from a few minutes back, under lights and in more natural light. She's close, just a couple of days now. I cry when I see the diameter of the trunk on this puppy, and how she could've done sans root aphids. Almost silver dollar round. Extremely frosty stuff, that said. GT may come down too, although no pics this time, nothing much to show. I'm itching to start a few fem Kali China x Zam. Have to harvest, clean everything spotless, choose the medium and then off we go.
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deepwaterdude
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Awright; Pam is hanging up to dry, chopped yesterday into many 2ft long stems. I'm going to clean the 3x3 and stick GT under the 600 to see if she evolves at all. If not, down she comes in a week or so. I tried to make some charas from a wispy stem or two off the Pam and I suck at it. Wound up with very sticky hands and no good technique to roll it into a little ball. I think at that point I could have done the Crazyglue hang from my palms. I'll try again with the GT with its long, thin, trichomes. I remember it was very easy with Mom.
I should pop 4 fem Kali C x Zam right away and get to manifolding, but I want to think the grow through. Gooday, dwd
I should pop 4 fem Kali C x Zam right away and get to manifolding, but I want to think the grow through. Gooday, dwd
deepwaterdude
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Pam harvest pics + GT
Pam harvest pics + GT
So, I took Pam down yesterday as the car's in the shop, I'm homebound, I think I had totally exhausted the internet, and was out of my mind for something to do. I think she did quite well, in spite of her root mass becoming hive to a bunch of insects. Flowers are very healthy, just not the kilo I was expecting.
GT is only alive thanks to Tangwena at this point She will be different than mom in the end, with much less flower, but heavier clusters. The last pic is right before she went to 11/13. Tiny.
Pam harvest pics + GT
So, I took Pam down yesterday as the car's in the shop, I'm homebound, I think I had totally exhausted the internet, and was out of my mind for something to do. I think she did quite well, in spite of her root mass becoming hive to a bunch of insects. Flowers are very healthy, just not the kilo I was expecting.
GT is only alive thanks to Tangwena at this point
She will be different than mom in the end, with much less flower, but heavier clusters. The last pic is right before she went to 11/13. Tiny.Attachments
That golden tiger looks ready
