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a ppk for a 6 plant limit

C.O.B.

Member
actually, av8or has been using 50/50 turface and perlite and he's not screening just washing the shit out of it.

i may go that route too as i've been running coco/perlite mixes and having more bug issues than i'm used to with turface.

Thank you good sir.

I never started screening my turface from the get go a few months ago when I saw that av8or didn't and mixed it with perlite.
I put mine into a wheel burrow and soak and push all around than strain threw a bucket with holes. All the cloudy water and fine granular s rush through and leave the bigger shit.
That's all I did.

Appreciatecha Mr Blah. Peace.

C.O.B.
 

DelTaco

Member
turface has a substance ph of 6.1-6.2 and the jack's 2 part is about the same. the plants love it so don't fight it.

this whole 5.8 ph thing in fast moving hydro is just an imaginary point in the middle of a large band of acceptable ph. it is not an "ideal" point.

Thank you for the advice, I took it. I just dropped 4 gorilla glues into the system to brew for the next 3 months. Hopefully beginning of March I will be a happy camper.

I did already know 5.8 was not a hard number but I was hoping to have more wave to ride so to speak, more of the ph curve to take advantage of. I was thinking 5.6 would of been a good place to start and let it ride up to the 6.5 level like you have previously mentioned but hey you're the man with the experience, if you say the plants love it at 6ish I'll take your word for it.

Thanks for stating the turface base ph level, that is good to know info right there. Knowing that now it makes sense why my res kept going up to 6, I would ph it down like a mother and let it run and it would go right back up to 6-6.1 but never higher. It was kicking my ass, I am more than happy to let it roll from there, thanks again.
 

C.O.B.

Member
I did the same thing as Mr. Blah and I used a 1/8 bit, worked great.

Thanks DelTaco, I used the smallest bit in one of those cheapo bit sets from grainger. 1/16.lol.. No wonder it's taking eons.:biggrin: I'll jump up a few sizes to that bit.:thank you: Peace.

C.O.B.
 

Snook

Still Learning
brothers, use 9/16 -> 1" drill and goop some screen over the holes on the inside... d9 taught me that trick a long time ago :tiphat:, now I dream about drilling buckets...:biggrin:


EDIT: I have 2 plastic yard carts, each with 2, 1" holes drilled and screened that I use to clean/rinse turface from the last grow and old clones/mothers.. one that been rinsed , the other collecting root balls while drying out and then rinse. fill with garden hose, the hose over powers the holes and the cart fills up with water, roots and shit floats, fill and dump water as one would dump any wheelbarrow, 2-3 times (4-6times if youre anal). I live in florida and can do this year round.. yall 'up there^^^' might run into a problem in the winter..
 

C.O.B.

Member
Snook, the plant bucket? I've seen either av8 or ravenboy mention they are currently back to drilling holes in their buckets for better drainage and less root clogging up the tailpiece. I retired the washing of turface today. Goodness!!! I thought I was good with my apparently half-assed wash until I upped the bit size. Lots of fines coming out the 1/8" holes now and the water refuses to get clear. I'll continue tomorrow, but I'll only do enough for 2 ppks and get to the rest after my build is complete.

Question. Is necessary to glue the tailpiece in? Ok maybe not necessary. Is there a reason to not glue it in? Using the goop, if needed, is it hard to remove said tailpiece for maintenance?

Would it be better if i asked my questions in the "pressing ppk questions thread"? My noobness is getting on my nerves even. Peace.

C.O.B.
 

C.O.B.

Member
Nevermind Snook, I reread you response. You meant the turface "rinsing" bucket eh? Thanks for the tip! Should speed up my process tommorrow. Hell I may even do the whole 50# bag! Peace.

C.O.B.
 

420ish

Active member
Snook, the plant bucket? I've seen either av8 or ravenboy mention they are currently back to drilling holes in their buckets for better drainage and less root clogging up the tailpiece. I retired the washing of turface today. Goodness!!! I thought I was good with my apparently half-assed wash until I upped the bit size. Lots of fines coming out the 1/8" holes now and the water refuses to get clear. I'll continue tomorrow, but I'll only do enough for 2 ppks and get to the rest after my build is complete.

Question. Is necessary to glue the tailpiece in? Ok maybe not necessary. Is there a reason to not glue it in? Using the goop, if needed, is it hard to remove said tailpiece for maintenance?

Would it be better if i asked my questions in the "pressing ppk questions thread"? My noobness is getting on my nerves even. Peace.

C.O.B.
i used self tapping screws to attach the tail piece.that way you can remove later
 

Mr Blah

Member
Ya, I should of went into more detail with my repertoire.
I fill wheel barrow with truface and water to the top, mix the solids off the bottom with a hoe. Yes, the water will slosh out. After you feel it is mixed and rinsed than tip slowly and let water over the front lip (preferably outside unless you have inside drain) of wheeler. SLOWLY. So all larger solids stay in wheeler.
Half way through the pour I put the holy bucket under the water flow area.
I pour as fast as I can without letting solids run over the edge of the holy bucket. dirty water is fine. For the first fill up and drain off. Having another person would help but not required as I did it alone.
For the second, third and four time I do the same but end up letting solids go over the rim and into the holy bucket.
Not all the solids are going to come out of the wheeler at once. After the holy bucket is filled let completely drain, this is your good stuff. pour into storage container.
Fill wheeler again, fill with water and repeat till all is gone. You may need another person to take the hoe and coax out of the wheeler while your tipping.

There that is pretty detailed for what I do. :laughing:
 

McKush

Éirinn go Brách
ICMag Donor
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Agree with D9. Mixed with rodi mine is 5.6 usually and it rises for me not fall so meh fuk it. Its going to go up a bit fine by me. I monitor ppms now only as you get over and underfeeding cultivars but i dont balance ph. When i was adding sm-90 it would bring ph up to 5.8-6.0 range and buffer it some. if you want to check something like that out....

Edit; i cant conceive how its possible to get ph 3 from rodi jacks and turface. Check your meter or system. Just should not be poss with those 3 alone when mixed to 600ppm
 

Mr Blah

Member
Snook, the plant bucket? I've seen either av8 or ravenboy mention they are currently back to drilling holes in their buckets for better drainage and less root clogging up the tailpiece. I retired the washing of turface today. Goodness!!! I thought I was good with my apparently half-assed wash until I upped the bit size. Lots of fines coming out the 1/8" holes now and the water refuses to get clear. I'll continue tomorrow, but I'll only do enough for 2 ppks and get to the rest after my build is complete.

Question. Is necessary to glue the tailpiece in? Ok maybe not necessary. Is there a reason to not glue it in? Using the goop, if needed, is it hard to remove said tailpiece for maintenance?

Would it be better if i asked my questions in the "pressing ppk questions thread"? My noobness is getting on my nerves even. Peace.

C.O.B.
Check out my thread when I started building mine a few months ago I asked a lot of these questions or I built it with most of the latest methods.
 

Mr Blah

Member
brothers, use 9/16 -> 1" drill and goop some screen over the holes on the inside... d9 taught me that trick a long time ago :tiphat:, now I dream about drilling buckets...:biggrin:


EDIT: I have 2 plastic yard carts, each with 2, 1" holes drilled and screened that I use to clean/rinse turface from the last grow and old clones/mothers.. one that been rinsed , the other collecting root balls while drying out and then rinse. fill with garden hose, the hose over powers the holes and the cart fills up with water, roots and shit floats, fill and dump water as one would dump any wheelbarrow, 2-3 times (4-6times if youre anal). I live in florida and can do this year round.. yall 'up there^^^' might run into a problem in the winter..

We do it in the winter as well...that's where we play hockey. :biggrin:
You got a picture of that operation? Or a link to the yard cart you use so I can see the scale.
 

Snook

Still Learning
Snook, the plant bucket? I've seen either av8 or ravenboy mention they are currently back to drilling holes in their buckets for better drainage and less root clogging up the tailpiece. I retired the washing of turface today. Goodness!!! I thought I was good with my apparently half-assed wash until I upped the bit size. Lots of fines coming out the 1/8" holes now and the water refuses to get clear. I'll continue tomorrow, but I'll only do enough for 2 ppks and get to the rest after my build is complete.

Question. Is necessary to glue the tailpiece in? Ok maybe not necessary. Is there a reason to not glue it in? Using the goop, if needed, is it hard to remove said tailpiece for maintenance?

Would it be better if i asked my questions in the "pressing ppk questions thread"? My noobness is getting on my nerves even. Peace.

C.O.B.
I saw your nevermind, cool but back in the day, one of the first variations of the PPK (High 9) wee were drilling 'many, many' 7/16" (as I remember) holes and gooping screen over those holes in the top bucket, it was sometin to do with air pruning roots.. they're all in the bin now.. I do goop the tail piece but I'm using the 1.5" tail piece. I also put a stainless steel hose clamp on the underside which holds the top to the PPK. sometimes a PITA but sometimes everything is a PITA.. and no the goop is like rubber cement, it comes off pretty easily. I bought a 2" brush and run it thru the tail pieces, they don't get very dirty. The reason I'm in this thread right now is I'm looking for info I forgot..
 

DelTaco

Member
Agree with D9. Mixed with rodi mine is 5.6 usually and it rises for me not fall so meh fuk it. Its going to go up a bit fine by me. I monitor ppms now only as you get over and underfeeding cultivars but i dont balance ph. When i was adding sm-90 it would bring ph up to 5.8-6.0 range and buffer it some. if you want to check something like that out....

Edit; i cant conceive how its possible to get ph 3 from rodi jacks and turface. Check your meter or system. Just should not be poss with those 3 alone when mixed to 600ppm

With RO water jacks and turface I was getting 6.0 all day. The 3.0 is by adding ph down to the res, you can set that anywhere you want. BUT if we are talking ingridients that's only jacks and RO no turface yet. Turn the pump on and run it through the turface a few times and right back up to 6. I checked it this morning and with 7 plants in the system right now and the res ph is 5.9, I didn't check ppm. I started yesterday with 310 though with rooted clones in rockwool cubes. My input feed from the bulk res is 5.6 ph and 550ppm. Plants all look like they are praying to the light, so far so good.

As for sm90, I have read some good things about it. It's supposedly good for some bugs but I am not using it at the moment. I'm only day 2 in under 18/6 and like I said the plants seem happy. I will consider adding other factors into the mix as I run into problems but for right now I'm not going to touch anything.
 

mufinman

Member
We do it in the winter as well...that's where we play hockey. :biggrin:
You got a picture of that operation? Or a link to the yard cart you use so I can see the scale.
Yeah Blah, I do have pics on one of the threads but cant remember which one.. but here is a link to one of the carts I use, the other one was from Homedapooe and is only 2/3s the size. I built a box for the small one, it was the first cart I bought, its made of 1"x4" and 1/4" screen. Its kept on top of the cart and its where I put root balls to dry out. once dry, they are 'screened'. most of the roots stay in/on the screen and turface into the cart. when all dried, de-rooted and screened, that cart is taken out and the 'washing' process above takes place.. the holes in the bottom of the cart helps with draining and drying, when relatively dry it goes into the larger cart where it may be washed again but is the container for turface awaiting use. But let me say, my op is small and stealth, run off my back lanai and is done when most of my neighbors aren't around to ask questions I do not want to answer...
 

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