91'chemdog

[luxcultivars]

'Bro-science' is people (brothers) coming to conclusions without any facts as a foundation, and then presenting that information as fact to other people who also don't insist on actual facts to come to their conclusions. It is the basis for all cannabis myths and general bullshit that you see in the forums.

A good example might be someone coming to a conclusion about strain lineage because their cousin's friend's uncle Jimbo knew the guy who bred it and so "it's definitely true!".

I am an advocate for just relying on facts and getting data and applying that to this hobby/profession. Now that we are able to come out of the closet more about being growers and breeders these techniques like DNA sequencing can be fantastic tools for moving past the bro-science and into the realm of truth. Information is our friend.

And hopefully we won't even have to have dick-measuring contests about who is right anymore. At least over some issues.

 

[SailerJerry]

Id say because people have been talking about DNA since 2000 and we have never seen any results. The Adam dunn show started thier og off with DNA analysis so maybe we will know soon. Think moonshine man:rare dankness. Tha docta:archive, nspecta:CSI humbolt, swerve:cali connections, orgnkid,matt the bubba guy, ogkushbreath or man something like that is sending in cuts but thier all members they can correct me if I'm wrong been awhile since I heard that pod cast and JJ and the chem crew are sending in stuff also to see if thier related.

 

[acridlab]

'Bro-science' is people (brothers) coming to conclusions without any facts as a foundation, and then presenting that information as fact to other people who also don't insist on actual facts to come to their conclusions. It is the basis for all cannabis myths and general bullshit that you see in the forums.

A good example might be someone coming to a conclusion about strain lineage because their cousin's friend's uncle Jimbo knew the guy who bred it and so "it's definitely true!".

I am an advocate for just relying on facts and getting data and applying that to this hobby/profession. Now that we are able to come out of the closet more about being growers and breeders these techniques like DNA sequencing can be fantastic tools for moving past the bro-science and into the realm of truth. Information is our friend.

And hopefully we won't even have to have dick-measuring contests about who is right anymore. At least over some issues.

That's kinda what I figured,, Thnx.
I always tell people I don't believe most of the stories tagged on genetics,, especially ones made before the medical scene popped open..all speculation, until DNA is all mapped out.

 

[MrBelvedere]

If a 100 years from now ten billion plants have been sequenced we still won't know what is in the chemdog strains because the parents, grandparents, and great grandparents are 99.999% surely gone. There could be scientific speculation, but it is still speculation.

We would have to unearth graveyards, raid evidence rooms, and check the floorboards of every junkyard car on the planet for discarded stems and seeds to really get a valuable database quickly.

 

[SailerJerry]

^ true

 

[luxcultivars]

If a 100 years from now ten billion plants have been sequenced we still won't know what is in the chemdog strains because the parents, grandparents, and great grandparents are 99.999% surely gone. There could be scientific speculation, but it is still speculation.

We would have to unearth graveyards, raid evidence rooms, and check the floorboards of every junkyard car on the planet for discarded stems and seeds to really get a valuable database quickly.

You keep going on about how impossible it will be to find the parents of Chem. Why? It obviously came from two parents that were common around the scene in early '90s, and plants with very similar gene sequences will eventually turn up on the map to give us an idea whet those parents were. Again: we don't need the exact parents or grandparents to I.D. what makes up Chem '91.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, Mr. B., because personally I think that all of this hype and mystery surrounding all of the Chem family is just that: 99.9999% hype. There is just a huge magical mythology surrounding it.

Do we need to have the genes of a specific person of asiatic or native american heritage to tell if their offspring have asiatic or native american genes?

I'm not sure why you think the genetic profile of Chem '91 would be any different. We now have strains from all over the world being mapped (maybe not as fast as some might want it, but it is happening). Portions of those sequences will then be found in Chem '91, showing us it's heritage. If it is Brazilian and Mexican and Thai and Maui Wowie and Jamaican Blue Mountain, that will all show up in its sequences. You don't need the parents or grandparents to do this.

 

[luxcultivars]

Come to think of it, I think I see where we are disconnecting on this. You seem to be thinking in terms of finding immediate family lineage, and I am referring to broader genotypical information. Meaning, we wouldn't be able to find the specific individual plants that are the parents of Chem '91, but we could definitely determine what race/strain they were, even if they were long gone.

 

[MrBelvedere]

Right, but true stories about where it was bred, who it was shared with, etc are still useful for the sake of history... which is what lineage is all about. DNA and true stories are just as important.

 

[luxcultivars]

Right, but true stories about where it was bred, who it was shared with, etc are still useful for the sake of history... which is what lineage is all about. DNA and true stories are just as important.

I definitely agree with you on that. Not a fan of the arguing, but it is also valuable in figuring out lineage.

 

[true grit]

Come to think of it, I think I see where we are disconnecting on this. You seem to be thinking in terms of finding immediate family lineage, and I am referring to broader genotypical information. Meaning, we wouldn't be able to find the specific individual plants that are the parents of Chem '91, but we could definitely determine what race/strain they were, even if they were long gone.

Sure knowing what genotype is cool...i guess. But the genotypical variation can be so wide within a strain/race that leaves just as much open book imo. Especially with many current cultivars being way different than what they used to be.

 

[resinryder]

We will eventually all be able to have certified 'real-deal' strains..

And there ya go. All about the money.

 

[shishkaboy]

Genotype vs phenotype?

Genotype vs phenotype?

Sure knowing what genotype is cool...i guess. But the genotypical variation can be so wide within a strain/race that leaves just as much open book imo. Especially with many current cultivars being way different than what they used to be.

Hold up, I thought each individual plant was a genotype?
I think even if we cant 100 percent say whom begat whom, specific and rare genotypical markers (traits) will be present and should be able to be traced back. Either way, the science should line up with one of the many stories we have all heard. Then we will know who was "in the know"
There is already a database of strains and test results available, I read that leo is going to use the databases to track the movement of mj and link dried flowers to their production.

 

[Jbomber79]

Hold up, I thought each individual plant was a genotype?
I think even if we cant 100 percent say whom begat whom, specific and rare genotypical markers (traits) will be present and should be able to be traced back. Either way, the science will should up with one of the many stories we have all heard. Then we will know who was "in the know"
There is already a database of strains and test results available, I read that leo is going to use the databases to track the movement of mj and link dried flowers to their production.

Are you serious... it will be federally legal in a +,- 10 years.

I digress I want to here how shit from Humboldt got to Florida , but those in that circle seem internet shy or don't care to tell?

 

[resinryder]

Read the same thing a couple years ago. Some college research scientist was quoted in the article if I remember correctly.

 

[shishkaboy]

Read the same thing a couple years ago. Some college research scientist was quoted in the article if I remember correctly.

Yep, it was some school related project but the leo was gonna be using the results?

I understand that we must be on the cusp of full blown legalization, but a lot of cases can still be brought to court before then.

The president made it very clear here that there are still a few issues to be resolved first.

I love "Steppa", he told the president "that will be quite sufficient"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-rZBGszjw

 

[LVgrow]

Read the same thing a couple years ago. Some college research scientist was quoted in the article if I remember correctly.

Heard this too. Because some strains test positive for new stuff like thcv I believe it was.

 

[shishkaboy]

Same sick plant looking better @ 56

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[joe-brand]

it would be nice to know the actual lineage. To think after all these years how many debates fights lost friends gained friends super wealth developed by seeds and flowrs and all the crosses and cups and drama.

Honestly there are so many choices and paths ive taken since finding out those 2 dam pounds I bought in 91 named and shared or sold and shared lol with one person who took the most iconic bag seeds probly in the history of weed and ran with it. To think what my life and tha of so many others would be like if I just smoked it all in 91 or never even bought the to pounds. No Sour? No Og thats probly not true although related fuck yeah.

what would the weed world be like. I am lucky to visit lots of far,s and see lots of strains and gardens. To think people call anything thats not sour og headband thats not fuel or diesel off brands or flavors is mind boggling.

That people will come to cali with trunk loads of dow and all they want is sour or og. The years go by and the debates continue the scrapping and hating. well if dna helps answer a lot of questions that we just have no real answer for i will be stoked.


til then i like popping online and seeing the debates keep going..


joebrand

 

[Ollie]

Big up Joebrand, much appreciated on posting in !

One day, we will might all be able to try the bespoken 91 chem.

Peace n happy weekend !

 

[foreignerabroad]

joe-brand, I'd PM ya if I could... but I can't help but think, are you the guy I met on craigslist at the Lake County Sentry market last year?

I met a man claiming these exact claims, I've been hoping to reconnect...