91'chemdog

[stasis]

Our Chemdog '91 cut, the real one - when we grew it in '05-'08 in Mendo, before most had access to it, was called OG KUSH...! Or just "The Kush." Let the flame wars begin..! As usual, with this controversial strain.

Any found seeds are not Chemdog..! No matter where they came from, this cut is CLONE ONLY... Whatever phenotype one gets in a seed may begood, but it ain't Chemdog, and should not be called as such. I grew out the one viable seed I got over years of growing it, and it was nothing like the Chemdog..!
Chemdog Bagseed, with totally unrelated flavour, and growing characteristics. And a FAT nanner..! It was almost flavourless, in a room of reeking buds, but yielded like a champ. Very disappointing.

Mack: It was the original cut. They wouldn't even tell me this until 2 years into my indentured servitude, after consistent pestering. The cut brought from CO via Boston, in the family of my ex-partner since his father started growing. All the references checked out to it being the original. I checked into it. The old Man got it somehow. Made my ex-partner (his son) quite wealthy. Not so much Me. But, I have that siggy below..! BFD...! haha, but the book is not written yet. This Triple D cut kicks ample ass for me.

 

[mack 10]

@stassis, so what did you have, OG or chem.
You confuse me every time you post about it.

Edit, great timing stasis, you read my mind.

 

[mack 10]

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[LAMBS-BREAD]

[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8594&pictureid=231335&thumb=1]View Image[/url] Our Chemdog '91 cut, the real one - when we grew it in '05-'08 in Mendo, before most had access to it, was called OG KUSH...! Or just "The Kush." Let the flame wars begin..! As usual, with this controversial strain.

Any found seeds are not Chemdog..! No matter where they came from, this cut is CLONE ONLY... Whatever phenotype one gets in a seed may begood, but it ain't Chemdog, and should not be called as such. I grew out the one viable seed I got over years of growing it, and it was nothing like the Chemdog..!
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8594&pictureid=231346&thumb=1]View Image[/url] Chemdog Bagseed, with totally unrelated flavour, and growing characteristics. And a FAT nanner..!

We won't start no war here brother, we will share a huge one and talk genetics with the community in peace.

Not surpirse that a well grown Chemdog 91 can be confused with a well grown OG Kush, as we know they share similarities somehow. Many have speculated they could be related, I think the mom that originated OG kush could be the DOG mom too.

If your clone was before the day the Chemdog 1991 seed was poped by Mass G in 1991, it will most likely be called DOG Bud clone, according to the source.

Yours look' like what Skunk VA is showing in this thread. My guess will be that it is the same cut.

 

[dannykarey]

Great posts guys, keep'm coming

Danny

 

[glockdoc]

Any found seeds are not Chemdog..! No matter where they came from, this cut is CLONE ONLY... Whatever phenotype one gets in a seed may begood, but it ain't Chemdog, and should not be called as such. I grew out the one viable seed I got over years of growing it, and it was nothing like the Chemdog..!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=8594&pictureid=231346View Image Chemdog Bagseed, with totally unrelated flavour, and growing characteristics. And a FAT nanner..!

only thing im willing to start a war with is this.
why shouldnt it be called for instance chemdog s1. just make sure to include the important fact of it being a s1 so chemdog s1 should be acceptable no?!!?

 

[ThaDocta]

the WEST COAST DOG has absolutely ZERO to do with these strains.. How do I know? I'm the source for that cut from Orgnkid.

 

[Jbomber79]

just curious, how does HB play into this circle? In 2012 I was in Quincy ca with my wife and a real close friend who was a broker at that time.. He was living in Arcata and knew some real fine cannibis producers one of which grew put headband or at least what he called HB. This shit was so closely related to OG and SD that we all agreed had to come from the same family tree. so did HB come before Chem? As a kid I remember hearing about dank headband before OG/SD came on the scene, not trying to muddy the water I have been searching hard for these answers and truly feel HB is player in this cobweb of information... I find it hard to believe that whatever originated chem came from Florida having spent so much time on the west coast nor cal is my best guess.

 

[true grit]

According to Matt, the death of the man that brought the OG in 1996 is a lie. I have another link in L.A that claim to have gotten the OG Kush cut from Matt crew in late 90s... Hopefully Todd will shine light on this.

Ill call BS on that bubba story (and all they spew for that matter). I didnt want to delve into that in a chem thread, but that same 80's Kush4 stock, its offspring, as well as other similar afghan based hybrids from the time are throwing spot on bubba and almost spot on suge phenos. I have a jar sitting next to me that if i handed you nugs of o. bubba, pre98 and this stuff you wouldnt be able to tell the difference.

I lost faith in those stories once i started running the hybrids from the 80's. Seems there were plenty of folks pulling similar phenos from seed well before these jokers stories. Think it just came down to who kept em, who named em, and who wanted notariety.

 

[Jbomber79]

^^^^ afghan skunk...

 

[acridlab]

I can see chems origininating in the south for sure.. Only because they're were so many skunk/crosses in the late eighties early 90s that shared many similarities with chem of today.. I honestly can say,, that the shit my uncle was growing back then was a precursor to all the damn ogs out now... And it was not on the west coast yet... The source He had was from Wilmington , nc .. A few years after that it all trickled up north and to the east coast..the source is Speak of had millions back then, too.. And was a grower.. So I trust his stories over the multitudes of teenage closet growers that thought they were the first to run into the genetics.. Chem to me is just a bad ass skunk cross,, an unknown one at that

 

[whadeezlrg]

just curious, how does HB play into this circle? In 2012 I was in Quincy ca with my wife and a real close friend who was a broker at that time.. He was living in Arcata and knew some real fine cannibis producers one of which grew put headband or at least what he called HB. This shit was so closely related to OG and SD that we all agreed had to come from the same family tree. so did HB come before Chem? As a kid I remember hearing about dank headband before OG/SD came on the scene, not trying to muddy the water I have been searching hard for these answers and truly feel HB is player in this cobweb of information... I find it hard to believe that whatever originated chem came from Florida having spent so much time on the west coast nor cal is my best guess.

I smoked a lot of headband out of arcata in 04-05. we were getting sour D all of the time and around then OG only came around periodically and was only around consistently after 05. that same crew was supplying packs of sour D, headband, urkle, gods gift, afpak, + many more at that time... I was just buying smoke at that time and it was always nice having a smorgasbord of strains to choose from. when we first started getting headband I remember my buddy telling me it was sour d x og and that was after I had some experience with both. 707 headband is a different cut than daywrecker diesel aka headband afaik. 707 hb grows almost identical to the sour D, I grew both side by side for about 2 years before I dropped the 707 in favor of the ecsd...which was also eventually dropped from the lineup(regretfully so)

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Ill call BS on that bubba story (and all they spew for that matter). I didnt want to delve into that in a chem thread, but that same 80's Kush4 stock, its offspring, as well as other similar afghan based hybrids from the time are throwing spot on bubba and almost spot on suge phenos. I have a jar sitting next to me that if i handed you nugs of o. bubba, pre98 and this stuff you wouldnt be able to tell the difference.

I lost faith in those stories once i started running the hybrids from the 80's. Seems there were plenty of folks pulling similar phenos from seed well before these jokers stories. Think it just came down to who kept em, who named em, and who wanted notariety.

Anyone could do Humboldt Nothern Light x OG Kush see if they get Bubba Kush.

If Bubba Kush is NL dom plant, then we can see other similar plant around, as Nothern Light was heavily used in the 80s.

Everyone saying Matt is bullshiting, I get that, as I don't know him, I can't tell, but still we don't have no evidences he's actually lying. ORGNKID got his OG from those guys so at least we can give him'credit for having the OG Kush in cali in 1996 before everyone.

 

[true grit]

Anyone could do Humboldt Nothern Light x OG Kush see if they get Bubba Kush.

If Bubba Kush is NL dom plant, then we can see other similar plant around, as Nothern Light was heavily used in the 80s.

Everyone saying Matt is bullshiting, I get that, as I don't know him, I can't tell, but still we don't have no evidences he's actually lying. ORGNKID got his OG from those guys so at least we can give him'credit for having the OG Kush in cali in 1996 before everyone.

Putting words in my mouth again lol. I didn't say NL being used or NL dom plant, I said afghan seed stock which was sourced in the SW in the 80's. No OG involved. Im talking stock from 80's already throwing bubbas, must not be that uncommon of a thing in certain seed stock.

Pretty easy to poke holes in most of these stories, and not even trying to say someone else made it/that. More so, people were running through seed stock- folks find similar shit, and some wanna take credit for it. Just because someone with shitty stories takes credit for it doesn't mean its fact...take it all with a grain of salt imo.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

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Putting words in my mouth again lol. I didn't say NL being used or NL dom plant, I said afghan seed stock which was sourced in the SW in the 80's. No OG involved. Im talking stock from 80's already throwing bubbas, must not be that uncommon of a thing in certain seed stock.

Pretty easy to poke holes in most of these stories, and not even trying to say someone else made it/that. More so, people were running through seed stock- folks find similar shit, and some wanna take credit for it. Just because someone with shitty stories takes credit for it doesn't mean its fact...take it all with a grain of salt imo.

I get what you saying True, I meant that NL plant are short squad indica plant. Some are piney hash terpens. So there's a great chance that the Bubba Kush is Nl dom plant with Ghost twist, is that true? IDK, it doesn't seems impossible.

We can always dna test Bubba Kush and Ghost OG see is there's a relation.

Some Florida guys claim that both TK and the OG Kush come from the Crippie clone.

They say that the Crippie clone is Chemdog 1991 x Landrace Paki. Crippie x Purple Master Kush = Triangle Kush.
Crippie bag seed = OG Kush.

They say that the Paki was a landrace as x18, but not x18.
Tom Hill X18 by Raco.



The Crippie clone have only 3 blade leaves, check the pics:




This Look familliar? Here she look'straight like OG



I can see the 91 in her too.


Science could tell us if Chemdog 1991, Crippie, Triangle Kush and OG kush are related.... Or is its just impossible? Those clean nes are alive and can be gather for this purpose.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=285445

 

[MrBelvedere]

Science/dna will never be able to prove lineage if the mother and father are both gone, period. Gone as in no plant material, no stems, no flowers, or a living plant (no viable dna). Nobody has a clue what is in chemdog and nobody ever will. Just glad it's here!!

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Science/dna will never be able to prove lineage if the mother and father are both gone, period. Gone as in no plant material, no stems, no flowers, or a living plant.

Science can't take samples of chemdog 1991 and TK and see if the sequences are showing relations? I don't know how this thing work, doesn't seems impossible. No need of parents, take the 4 clones and see if they are related. I will definatly check if its doable.... As dating the clone to the year the seed was germinated.

 

[MrBelvedere]

Chemdog is like a baby dropped off at a hospital. It will never know its parents. Maybe if enough close relatives are still around science can prove the relatives are related. Just my 2 cents

 

[milkyjoe]

Exactly...no parents no dna proof.

As much as we would like to know it may not happen...ever.

I would love to know. I would like to big up those that were involved. But there ain't no use fighting amongst ourselves. The system forced whoever it wa so far underground proper respect may never be given

I feel for whoever was honestly involved...you deserve major respect. The rest of you lying pieces of shit...fuck you.

Anyways...love the plants, never expect to know the real truth. The way she goes.

 

[ledhusif]

Has anybody ever tried to Tissue culture OG???? isnt one supposed to get the integrity of the strain back??? just some pennies thrown in the ring