4k sealed room apartment grow

[clowntown]

If doing a grow of any kind, one needs to begin at the beginning. Get answers to fundamental questions like "power availability" FIRST.

Isn't that exactly what he's attempting to do with this thread?

You've been here for a few months with a few hundred posts... that should have been enough for you to have bumped into enough grow threads where many people are doing exactly what you say isn't possible.

I'm sure you're an awesome electrician and all, but your so-called EE accreditations and experience (and attitude) really hasn't gotten a single drop of my respect so far. Is that what EE grads do... run wiring?

If you're having such trouble running a 400w grow in a cold environment, maybe you are the clueless noob?

If you have something constructive to add, please do. But if all you're going to do is moan and groan in the corner about how stupid and unsafe this is without any explanation of your reasoning, then I think it's better off that you keep to yourself.

 

[HerbGlaze]

Sorry, what? People pay their own bills, landlords don't look at your power bills, unless your in some weird situation.....

Listen, i might be wrong but my friend told me his bust story in detail, it was doing with the electricity, the landlord could be informed if there is a big change in the bill, who will inform him PG&E,ETC.
Worst situation Cops can get a warrant.

 

[Guest]

O: just curious, but how does the take down time relate to the power usage?
I guess when i think of take down time, i think...
1. trash all cannabis plants and materials
2. take down lights and major ventilation
3. pull main cord and hide it outa the way
4. rip down panda plastic

the last portable heater i saw didn't have cooltubes and 500 cfm pushing past it at all times either...


I can always run an exhaust duct to my window across the room. I think pumpkin was thinking along these lines.
If I don't want to exhaust air straight out my window, I can run it into my a/c / heating ducting to spread it out.


I plan to start a new mother for this grow at the end of august and then start setting up so i can get it going at the end of september. By that time, my area might possibly have a couple days over 80*F, but most of the days will be 50-70 avg daily highs.
Honestly, i don't plan on running this for more than 2 runs so that has me ending in february at the latest, with outside temps right between -10 and 40

At that point, ill probably exhaust into my apartment and have the intake running from outside (if its not too cold air) just so i don't have tons of hot air condensing outside a window.

as far as the question about whether ive thought this through...
a HUGE part of why im posting this is to let everyone else help me think this through, because as it has become pretty obvious to everybody else here, I actually haven't done a 2k or 4k grow before and *surprise* I need advice from people with experience.

ventilation: 1 more time:
around 400 cfm pulling through the lights and 500-600cfm pulling through a large carbon filter.

my closet is roughly 480 cubic feet if the whole thing is used.

so i'm really curious, which part of my systme is going to start the fire first in your opinion if I was to do this?

Why don't you share that with me so maybe people on here can help me figure out if I can avoid setting the system up that way.

 

[pumpkin2006]

Isn't that exactly what he's attempting to do with this thread?

You've been here for a few months with a few hundred posts... that should have been enough for you to have bumped into enough grow threads where many people are doing exactly what you say isn't possible.

I'm sure your an awesome electrician and all, but your so-called EE accreditations and experience (and attitude) really hasn't gotten a single drop of my respect so far. Is that what EE grads do... run wiring?

If you're having such trouble running a 400w grow in a cold environment, maybe you are the clueless noob?

If you have something constructive to add, please do. But if all you're going to moan and groan in the corner about how stupid and unsafe this is without any explanation of your reasoning, then I think it's better off that you keep to yourself.

Amen!

Maybe you should take some HVAC classes with that great electrical knowledge... so you can make power go from point A to point B, how about think about making air go from point A to point B... its really quite simple. If you ventilate and have a couple air exchanges every minute, it will work perfectly fine.

Just because you can't pull of a 400w grow, doesn't mean you have to get all green and tell others its not possible. Its quite possible.

While I agree, Irish, you do need to tell us the amperage of sockets near the closet, along with the distance and how you plan on running the wire from your stove plug.... actually, how close is the panel to your closet? If close, we could easily make a subpanel off of your (most likely) 50 amp breaker This would be a good "kill switch" along with easy power.

 

[clowntown]

Sounds like you're wrong. Who's sending this information to your landlord? PG&E (or whatever local utility company)? Why? Do they have a some sort of contract / agreement with the apartment to do notifications like this? If so, does this violate any privacy / confidentiality laws in your locale?

 

[Guest]

Ill let you all know what my aperage is as soon as i get back to my place. I'm actually gonna be there tommorow night so I'll stop in and see if i can find numbers anywhere on/in the box.

O: i do appreciate the help and everything. I just need some explanation with it. besides "you're insane" and "you're going to start a fire"
I understand that all the wiring need sto be the correct gauges....i just thought i mentioned that a couple times already. I apologize for not knowing the correct gauge off the top of my head to write down here for ya.


My breaker box IS the best kill switch. wow, i kinda forgot that its right by my door, so if someone comes a knocking i can reach over and flip it right then and there.


as far as a spike in electricity:
Couldn't i start doing things to gradually ramp up my power? maybe have my 150 cab up and running again for a month (won't do much....150w +maybe 50 extra for all fans and everything isn't gonna put a dent in my bill ) but then maybe start with just 1 of the 1k's and move up to a second one after a month?
The seasons will be changing around that time, so i think everybody will be increasing their heating costs, etc.

sorry im missing so many posts in between. but while im writing my responses ou all are writing your own at the same time so im a few posts behind all the time!

as always, thanks for all the advice and criticism everybody, keep it coming!

 

[Guest]

o yea, still looking for opinons on whether a flip flop fits my situation.

as far as the strain thats best to run, I think ill figure that out after you all help me figure out what style grow im going to do. No point in getting a perfect SOG plant if i'm growing trees right?

 

[Guest]

As far as the power, I think you're on to something with the gradual ramping up... years ago this might still set off a trigger, but with everyone being into computers these days...shit. Just make damn sure you put yourself on the 'automatic payment' plan with the power company. Stay a number and not a dot on their radar....

 

[Guest]

alright O.
well thanks for your contributions, sorry your felt like you had to remove posts just because their were varied opinions about them.

you're right, i don't have pictures of a full harvest up here and you do in fact have yours all jarred up. My goal however isn't to just get a few jars of smoke. thats why i'm trying to learn how to go bigger.

 

[gromer]

Allright man glad 2 see somone with some balls.My friends all think Im nuts runnin 2400k plus prolly 1k in equiptment in a 2 bedroom house I tell them all they are crazy next time they give me crap Ill refer them to this thread and show them why I dont worry much.By all means dude set it up rock what you need to and get to a better place somwhere you make the rules.May the force be with you!!

 

[Guest]

gromer: i hope you don't have too many friends who think you're nuts.....cause if there are really a lot of them that know, that could be a bad situation.

thanks for the kind words

 

[thescientist]

You should use air cooled hoods. Otherwise cooling the room is gonna be a real problem. Id say run 3 lights in an apartment tops. Just dont use any electricity on yourself. 4k seems a little too crazy. 3k in light a 10k btu ac a dehuey and a bunch of fans is gonna require alot more than just 3k more like 4000k+.

If you do it be ready if you gotta pull the plug. Location is key. 1 bedrooms arent that great an idea when you can just find a cheap 3 bedroom.

 

[Guest]

fora apartment grow i would just set up 1-or 2 hydro hut deluxz ina 12000 btu room 4x1000 watts witha co2 .......the huts exuast into same room and ac cools it and then hook ductin right where the ac blows out cooled air to suck cold air in to huts with vortexz.......................and then add co2.........2x2000 grow chambers ina co2 injected room and great thing is co2 works best it seems in high temps.even 90z ........just runn you lights at night.

and the big picture hydrohuts ar great for apartments and rentals the break down in 20-40 minutes......<fire inspection ........insurance insesment blah blha blah......................room that break down ina co2 air cooled room........24000 is over kill 10 -12 btu can cool 4x1000 watts i live in the tropics....air cooled hoods you will be fine.........................24000 ........shit that for 10k room......

ps 2 x 2000 breakdownable rooms in a airconed co2 room........cake walk no cutiing no exhausting no blah blah blah.no hammering no poly no bull shit just 2x 4x8 hydrohuts with 2x1000 aircooled hps

 

[clowntown]

If you do it be ready if you gotta pull the plug. Location is key. 1 bedrooms arent that great an idea when you can just find a cheap 3 bedroom.

In my experience, 2+ bedrooms usually require you to have more than one person signing the lease (unless of course you earn enough legit income to offset this). This usually means other people involved, and unless it's your wife then I'm not so sure it's very wise. But that's another topic for another thread, and has been pretty well discussed.

Also depending on the apartment and neighbors, this may raise some amount of suspicion if you're the only one living in that 3bdrm. Worse if you don't live there and it's a relatively small building.

 

[Ronley]

The best advice I can give after many apartment grows, is "Dont be afraid to scrap the whole grow at a minutes notice". I've had to scrap 2 apartment grows in a hurry, it's sad but it'll keep you out of trouble.
Another VERY useful piece of advice is "Dont count your chickens before they hatch". You make it sound like your already invisioning the outcome, which is cool, but until you harvest the buds, dont count on getting anywhere near as much as you think you'll get. And dont plan on anything resembling a good profit margin if you plan on selling it. No matter how much pot I grow, it's never been enough.
SOrry to sound so pessimistic, but if you keep my advice in mind, you wont be dissapointed, you'll stay safe, and most important you wont be relying on something that you may have to tear down. After considering all that your left with higher quality, and yields than expected as the outcome.
peace

Very very good advice.

 

[Guest]

all great advice! thanks. I doubt if i do this ill go with hydrohuts.....i'd kinda prefer to just make my own for 1/2 the cost. maybe though.
right now i'm really thinking 1k on a flip flop or just 2 - 1k ballasts alternating every 12 hours is my best option. It's consistent power use so i don't have that 12/12 red flag being thrown up.

thanks for all the people saying to aircool the lights, but please read the thread first and see that aircooled lights are already 99% sure to be there.

I'm actually looking at cheaper houses to rent now. mostly 3 br houses with rent between 650and 900 per month and some with full basements, all with laundry hookups. I'm thinking if I did that, I'd run 4k flip flopped (so 8k functional). If I was renting an entire house, I think it would be a lot easier to move in grow materials, etc. without nosey neighbors.
With this setup I could go for a year, and after that, actually buy a cheap house to grow in for increased security.

So whats everyone's opinion on safety/security of renting an apartment versus renting a house? I have no experience renting houses so i'm deffering to your wisdom and experience.

should I just wait til i have a little more cash and rent a house? would it reduce my risk at all? I know its dependent on the landlord to a point......but have any of you found landlords to be more/less intrusive in house rental agreements?

 

[Guest]

ronley: thanks for chiming in! good to see ya around here

 

[Guest]

house with basement are excellent .some of the best shows 8k 10 k in basments

and fuck hom made hydro huts ....stapling poly 2x4 heavy ass shit .freakin huts light and break down quik........no one use polly and heavy 2x4.......

 

[Guest]

imortaloutawja: people trying to save money use homemade hydrohuts.....
I don't think i'm limited to 2x4's though. set up right, pvc and possibly some aluminum tubing can be used.

 

[Guest]

Here's my breaker box everybody. The two 30 switches are connected to each other and same with the two 40 switches. Now where are you electricians (or just people not as as me) to tell me what this means.
I assume it means each switch can hold that much amperage, but it can't possibly mean i have the sum of those Amp ratings going through my apartment.
Do the two switches connected mean (respectively) 30A at 240V and 40A@240V?