4k sealed room apartment grow

[pumpkin2006]

Sounds like the NL is your choice... although the bag appeal isn't great. Serious Seeds Chronic is probably a good one.. although I've heard from some the potency is kinda... eeh.

Well, look around in "Vertically Simple" started by ChristianTaylor in this same sub-forum and on the last page you'll see what Neptune is doing with his mothers and a 600w. Its a simple and good vertical system.

If your doing a low turn around time, high yield, flat sog, your plant count is instantly going up. I dunno if thats a concern of yours or not.

If I had a blueprint of your apartment, I could easily design and price the whole system in a matter of hours. But there's always things to weigh: turn over time, plant count, easy of use vs. complexity of system, fail safe guards, stealthy-ness of building the system (panda poly and stable gun are most stealth), how easy is it to tear down (again panda poly). All of those things need to be weighed in. If you could give me dimensions and answer all of those questions, I'd easily design a system for you.

 

[Guest]

the walk in closet is roughly 7'11"Hx6'6"Wx10'D . a standard size door is in the center of one of the 6'6" walls opening out. no plugs in the closet. GO!

 

[Ram Beau]

Not sure if this was mentioned: Where's your meter? Is it out in the open where everyone walks by on the way in from the parking lot? Will they see that thing spinning like a top?

 

[pumpkin2006]

the walk in closet is roughly 7'11"Hx6'6"Wx10'D . a standard size door is in the center of one of the 6'6" walls opening out. no plugs in the closet. GO!

You didn't answer any of the other questions....

 

[Guest]

i know i know.....im lazy sorry pumpkin

plant count: ideally id like to do a low plant count, but realisticly, if im gonna do a fast turnaround, 2 weeks (maximum time) veg, and a vertical system, I don't think a low plant count is feasable. If there was a way to make it work it do it, but i don't think it has to great of a chance.

-I'd like to do a round every 2 to 2.5 months
-as i mentioned a second ago, id like to keep plant count low but don't think its a possibility with this kind of system, but if you prove me wrong i might not argue.
-id like to keep the system fairly simple and straightforward, though a little necessary complexity here and there isn't gonna kill me.
-as far as fail safe guards:
1.silent alarm system to call my cell phone if closet door is opened / motion detected in apartment
2. some way to rig up a power cutoff device to cut the power if the room goes over 100*F
3. lock on door

-panda poly and staple guns work for me. I might use a handheld stapler though for stealth while installing.
-id like to be able to rip out the entire thing in a half hour ideally
-the walk in closet is roughly 7'11"Hx6'6"Wx10'D . a standard size door is in the center of one of the 6'6" walls opening out. no plugs in the closet.

the range plug is about 20-25 feet away if going around the walls

any other info needed?

 

[Guest]

rambo: im not sure where my meter is to tell ya the truth. I really should know. But the thing is, at least in the summer, everyone else is running central a/c systems all the time, and i barely turn mine on, so i guess im hoping that evens out things a little.
If I only did 2k, i could actually run a flip flop if i divided the room, and 1000w at once is pretty much nothing as long as i keep my use of other appliances to a minimum.

i need feedback on that flipflop idea too.

o, and i guess i gotta remember pumpkin read this Im going to probably want to have a space for my clones, but that doesn't need to be bigger than 4'Lx2'W

 

[gunnaknow]

Hi Irish, I think that I've seen you on highbred in the past. If you do rent a house, perhaps you should ask an agent to find a property with a contract that doesn't prohibit changing the locks. One more thing, I know that it sounds funny but I just thought of something that might increase the chances of staying free if a landlord or bent cop discovers your grow room. Put up a big sign on the wall of your growroom saying....

"ATTENTION! $3000 CASH REWARD AVAILABLE FOR YOU IF YOU DO NOT INFORM ON ME AND CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY. SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE."

 

[Dreamscape]

Whats up SoCo,

I only really read through some of the posts on the first page and skimmed through the rest of the posts so if I missed something my apologies ...

That being said -

#1. Rule of thumb on running lamps , 1kw per bedroom/living room.

#2. That outlet behind your stove , is more than likely a 50amp not a 30, i'd bet 50 bucks on it so double check and find out.

#3. Change all the locks in your house , this way if the landlord tries to get in , he can't - and if he gives you shit just reply "what the fuck , you said 24 hours and you tried to sneak in my house, thats against the law." ... people are nosy and greedy , that motherfucker could smell something and decide to check things out.

... thats really all I wanted to say ... You've got some big balls, just remember its alot harder to get caught when you have a smaller operation that is easier to control with less things to go wrong , I think the fact that you're doing a few TREES (as opposed to 45 plants) with 4kw in a 1 bedroom (LMFAO) is the only thing stopping me from saying you're out of your mind but i've rolled some pretty heavy dice in my day as well so all i'll say is BEST OF LUCK GOING OUT TO YOU - ROCK THAT BITCH HARD and FAST !!! ... get it and GO.

~ Dream

ps. post some pics if you can at some point so we can drool a bit eh

 

[pumpkin2006]

Are you set on the vertical system or are you on the flat system? Also, what is the proximity of your closet door to your bed room window or any window?

 

[pumpkin2006]

First off, no matter what style your going for, your gonna need pond liner. I'm sure the landlord/neighbor is gonna wonder why water is leaking into their apartment. Not to mention the deposit on your carpet. Heres what you wanna get, the 10X15 at $60. It'll never rip and can be reused, you want it to go a couple feed up the walls, as to create a bowl. Firestone PondGard EPDM Liner Sizes.

For the panda poly I would go with mdhydro's (good price). Take off the door (hope thats not a security thing....) and line the entire place, taping it to the pond line on the floor and using one of the zippers that is on this same page. http://www.mdhydro.com/mylar.html

Problem with your room is, your intake is also your exhaust. You just need to take the air out of your room from the back and have hepa filters (or at least quality home depot filters) at the door way, as to bring fresh air in constantly. You'll want negative air pressure, so the fan/s will have to match that. Then the hot air needs to escape that same environment that the fresh air is coming from.

I'll have something more neat and nice for you when you tell me what kind of system you wanna use.

 

[HerbGlaze]

4000w On 4 1000W HPS's im guessing, but isnt there going to be a DEADLY heat from those lights, and the apartment? When your Manager checks your bill he will know that your up to something with that bill's number MUCH highier.

 

[pumpkin2006]

4000w On 4 1000W HPS's im guessing, but isnt there going to be a DEADLY heat from those lights, and the apartment? When your Manager checks your bill he will know that your up to something with that bill's number MUCH highier.

Sorry, what? People pay their own bills, landlords don't look at your power bills, unless your in some weird situation.....

 

[Guest]

pumpkin:
I'm not set on vertical at all. I just wanna get the most bang for my buck. I can't remember if i mentioned it already since i've changed my opinion a million times already here, but I'd do a flat system if I could get some level of efficiency. That video link (i think it was you that posted it?) to the growroom design video on youtube was something i'd seen before but forgot about. It seems like something like that might be relatively simple.

Yea, I keep forgetting to include the pond liner. Thats definitely something i NEED to buy for this if i do it.

As far as the intake and exhaust problem, I was thinking I could just hang the carbon filter on the backside of the closet (opposite from the door) and have a straight shot of ducting to the top of the doorway.i was thinking the intake could just be at the bottom of that.

The nearest window to the doorway is 16 feet away straight across the room and about 2 feet to the side(so the door and the window don't quite line up.

As far as taking off the door: I was thinking I would leave the door on the hinges, but open all the time (it opens out of the closet, not into it) So if i did have an unexpected visit I could just hit a kill switch and shut the door.

Thats one more thing i want to design into the system, a kill switch for the entire system.

As far as fans, I'd like to keep it simple (assuming im aircooling my lights now) with one fan for the lights exhausting air, and one fan for the filter/room exhausting air and one or two oscillating fans in their to keep up air movement. Idefinitely understand the need for negative pressure in this situation, as i can't have smells escaping.

Dreamscape:

do you have any idea how i could check to see if that was a 50 amp outlet without asking my landlord? (where are the markings, etc)

as far as the rule of thumb....yea, I know it, but if i'm gonna do something like this i think i really need at least 2k to get it to pay off for me.

I'm DEFINITELY changing locks. I'd rather get kicked out than go to prison.

gunnaknow: i'm not sure that your $3000 dollar idea is a bad one. Though I think $1000 would maybe accomplish the same thing.

I'll answer the rest of the stuff in a minute

 

[Guest]

with the power bills: yea, I pay straight to the power company, so unless landlord watches my meters all the time (which i think they're too lazy to do) then the power company will be the only ones to really notice and hopefully won't care if i pay my bills early and $10 over each time .

 

[pumpkin2006]

do you have any idea how i could check to see if that was a 50 amp outlet without asking my landlord? (where are the markings, etc)
It doesn't matter a hoot if it has a "50 amp outlet".

You might look at your electrical distribution panel. Mine has a 40 amp breaker dedicated to the range. I suspect yours is 40 too.

So that is your plan? You're gonna run your grow's bigger power users(lights, blowers, etc from the electric stove's outlet? Run wiring of some sort from the kitchen to that closet? Well, uh.......... Good luck with it. As I said, I'm glad you don't live in my building

I have to say. I don't think you have a clue about what you are doing... at least from an electrical engineering point of view.

I hope your consulting EE will share his/her plan for a "kill switch" for you grow too. I'm curious about that bit too.

Cheers

Obli

Do you know the difference between trolling and criticizing? Your trolling, if you want to tell him he's doing something wrong, then you should also try and help him. Maybe suggest where his circuit panel is....

Anyways, Irish, look for a panel in your house, it maybe sorta hidden, but it will be made out of metal and have a metal door on it. Open it up and see what the numbers say on each circuit. BTW, my g/f apartment panel has 4 - 20 amps circuits, a 30 amp circuit and a 50 amp circuit... so generalizing about how much amperage is available is ignorant.

Edit: Irish, whats your budget?

 

[clowntown]

Oblidio49, I'm confused. What's wrong with running wiring from the kitchen to the bedroom (or whatever)? As long as you're using the correct gauge and not overloading it, what's the big problem?

I'm very surprised you can't run much more than 400w from your 1bdrm apartment. I don't know what area you're from, but all of the places that I've rented (including 1bdrm apartments) have had at least 2 15/20A (120V) circuits. My current junior studio apartment has 2 x 20A and 1 x 15A. (I admit, that seems like lot for the size.) And every other place I've been to has had at least that.

I mean... do you really need to be a double-E grad to be able to safely run an extension cord?

 

[Guest]

oblido: i obviously am severely lacking in the electrical engineering dept.
I'm doing my best to learn it right now and before i attempted any of this would pick up a couple books on the subject to see if it was feasable after taking in the advice of members on here. The reason i'm asking all these questions and throwing out all the ideas for criticism is so I can learn what would work and what wouldn't work.


So you think my breaker box might only be rated at 15A? I really can't find on my box where to check the amperage, and i'm kinda doubting its on there unless a friendly electrician wrote it on there in permanent marker so how would i go about checking this?


The current plan is to run lights and possibly the blowers off the range outlet and then run small pumps and ocsilating fans off a wall outlet.

As far as running wiring from the kitchen to the closet, if I run the correct gauge, insulated wire to my closet can you tell me where you're seeing the fire hazard?

The 'kill switch" is just an idea, that could be as simple as a cirvuit breaker switch inline with the main wire. Again, having never done this before, I'm not sure about this. This is why i'm kinda laying it out there for people to criticise.

btw oblidio: i think i've moved away from the sealed room idea soley because the a/c would eat up too much power. so we're back to an exhausted room.

 

[pumpkin2006]

Irish, all circuit breakers have their amperage marked on them, also its likely that the electrician labeled, what breaker goes where; its standard protocol.

 

[Guest]

pumpkin and clowntown:

thanks guys! i was kinda doubting the whole "can't run a 400w in my place" I was starting to wonder how i already hadn't burnt the place down already

pumpkin: hahahahah yea, i know where my breaker box is and what it looks like im not thhhhaaaat stoned all the time.
I'm at my alternative residence at the moment so i won't be checking my box til this weekend.
SO could you two guys confirm that there isn't anything wrong with running the proper gauge wire from a grouded range plug to my closet as long as its not installed in a way in which it will overheat the materials surrounding it?

pumpkin: My budget is similar to the one i came up with earlier in the thread....but id like to keep it under $5000 if possible. Anything over that and its time for me to start putting money into a small house.

 

[clowntown]

I had a very similar situation (of course on a much smaller scale) when I first moved into my place. I had no clue where the breaker was, how many amps I had running into my unit, which outlets were associated with which circuit, and so on. After a while of getting a "feel" for my live-in manager and the situation, I finally came up with a half-baked plan: Trip one of the breakers, and ask the landlord how I can reset it. (I had recently moved in, and the story was that I tripped it by running a vacuum on the wrong outlet.) Amazingly, this worked perfectly and I found out that the meter was in a locked room, in a dungeon-like basement (with a maze of a hallways) in this building!

And yeah, I 100% agree that you should change your locks. That's what I had to do at about 3:30am, since I live across the hallway from my landlord. Had to get everything ready and prepped, ready to simply slip the parts off the door and slip in the new parts before anyone walked by. Total amount of time that the deadbolt mechanism was off my door was approximately 10 - 15 seconds