3 weeks in with Aptus shits blowing up around here..

[NorCal]

"On a side note I took about 12 trays of cuts and used RO water to prep the cube and the caps root pack as a rooting hormone. The cuts were some of the most vigorous and fastest rooting I've had in a long time. It usually takes me about 10-14 days to get a FULL tray of banging roots but this time it took 7 maybe 9 tops"

Can you elaborate on exactly how you prepped the cube soak with the root pack?

Jack, what's your thoughts on using the root pack with clones?

Sure. I did it a couple ways all with real good results. And all pretty similarly. For starters I use RW cubes. 72 per tray.

I Fill a 5 gallon bucket with RO water and ph to 5.5.
Mix in 1 tsp caps bennies root pack with 2tsp blackstrap molasses
Mix it all up very well.
water cubes from the top letting them soak but drain to waste.
Then I used the rest of that phd water to fill a bunch of cups and then put all my cuts in those cups.
Now here's where I switched it up.

I filled two shot glasses. One with clonex the other with caps root pack.
When I took my cuts I'd take them from the cups and dip them in either the root pack only or the clonex first and then dip them in the caps root pack (this seemed to help get the caps to stick a bit better to the bottom of the cutting)

Then I did a batch where I watered and presoaked the cubes with a brewed tea made up of the caps root pack. And this worked well also but not much better than the time I just threw the caps root pack In The bucket without brewing it. I still did the root pack /root pack and clonex dipping and same results really.

I thought the brewed batch would be be best but like I said they all started popping roots and trays were all rooted within 9 maybe 10 days so it didn't seem to make much of a difference either way

Now i did no research into this, this was all just a random experiment for me so can't necessarily tell you why it worked so well. but I'm assuming the fact that I incorporated the root pack into my routine def had something to do with it.

Im not gonna lie when I take this many trays there's def some casualties/very slow rooters here and there that get tossed. This typically adds up to maybe 15-20% of my cuts but this time it seemed like I had maybe 10 % which (in my experience) is pretty damn good and the increased health and vigor was def noticeable.

From there so long as everythings dialed they seem to just take off. once the cuts show roots they get tp'd into the 4 inch pots and they're usually popping roots out of those in 3-4 days. In the end it's nice becuase things just always take off faster if you got nice healthy vigorous clones. It also shaves a good amount of veg time off which helps my electricity bill alot.

Like I said I didn't notice too much a difference between techniques. If you were to ask me what way I'd choose it'd be just using the root pack with molasses and ro'd water and dipping the cuts in clonex and the root pack. That or no clonex and just root pack for dipping.

Basically brewing The tea seemed to help most after the roots started showing up. HTH

 

[jackmayoffer]

"On a side note I took about 12 trays of cuts and used RO water to prep the cube and the caps root pack as a rooting hormone. The cuts were some of the most vigorous and fastest rooting I've had in a long time. It usually takes me about 10-14 days to get a FULL tray of banging roots but this time it took 7 maybe 9 tops"

Can you elaborate on exactly how you prepped the cube soak with the root pack?

Jack, what's your thoughts on using the root pack with clones?

Using Caps Bennies will shave off a few days in the clone dept. We have done it both ways Caps bennies and sterile, Sterile takes a few days longer but we keep the mom and clone room sterile for now. We go from soaked cuttings in physans 20 straight to coco. Cuttings are feed base Dutch master at 500 ppm once roots bust out 800 ppm base nute with dutch master zone.Then straight to beds 15 to 25 rooted cuttings per 1 k 7 to 14 days top then flip.First 3 weeks Scrog every day, During veg and first 3 weeks of flower AC Thermostats are set at 79 to 80 degrees rooms should be warm and humid and dehumidifier turned off. After week 3 T stats at 76 and de humid. set at 50 %. Plants will explode with growth in veg and first few weeks of flower with the rooms warm and humid. Co2 1000 -1200 ppm

 

[bigbag]

nice, i'm using cal/mag, rhizotonic, pure blend gro, and superthrive on fresh rooted cuts, first feed in coco. then switch to 3 part GH, subcultures B & M, sm-90, superthrive. so far so good... will add zyme next and rare earth

 

[NorCal]

Using Caps Bennies will shave off a few days in the clone dept. We have done it both ways Caps bennies and sterile, Sterile takes a few days longer but we keep the mom and clone room sterile for now. We go from soaked cuttings in physans 20 straight to coco. Cuttings are feed base Dutch master at 500 ppm once roots bust out 800 ppm base nute with dutch master zone.Then straight to beds 15 to 25 rooted cuttings per 1 k 7 to 14 days top then flip.First 3 weeks Scrog every day, During veg and first 3 weeks of flower AC Thermostats are set at 79 to 80 degrees rooms should be warm and humid and dehumidifier turned off. After week 3 T stats at 76 and de humid. set at 50 %. Plants will explode with growth in veg and first few weeks of flower with the rooms warm and humid. Co2 1000 -1200 ppm

LOL this sounds alot more researched than my "experiment"
You find any issues all of a sudden switching base nutes on the plants? Do you flush real well prior?

 

[jackmayoffer]

LOL this sounds alot more researched than my "experiment"
You find any issues all of a sudden switching base nutes on the plants? Do you flush real well prior?

No I never flush until the end. Just go striaght from veg nutes to flower, I use to flush in between but there is no need.

 

[loyalty7]

Using Caps Bennies will shave off a few days in the clone dept. We have done it both ways Caps bennies and sterile, Sterile takes a few days longer but we keep the mom and clone room sterile for now. We go from soaked cuttings in physans 20 straight to coco. Cuttings are feed base Dutch master at 500 ppm once roots bust out 800 ppm base nute with dutch master zone.Then straight to beds 15 to 25 rooted cuttings per 1 k 7 to 14 days top then flip.First 3 weeks Scrog every day, During veg and first 3 weeks of flower AC Thermostats are set at 79 to 80 degrees rooms should be warm and humid and dehumidifier turned off. After week 3 T stats at 76 and de humid. set at 50 %. Plants will explode with growth in veg and first few weeks of flower with the rooms warm and humid. Co2 1000 -1200 ppm

SO jack you dont worry about humidity when your lights are on off period...And do your plants stretch more then usual in the first three weeks of flower? Great info everyday is a learning experience.

 

[KeepItPushin]

Jack,

What type of sprayer do you use for foliar? Do you only spray the undersides or do you coat top and bottom of leaves? When using systemic products such as floramite etc. do you think it is necessary to hit nearly every leaf, or is just the lower 1/3 enough to get the trick done? It's often easier to just go for the undercarriage and not waste time/spray trying to get all the leaves near the top. Just wondering what has been your experience with foliar plant coverage and spray effectiveness. I also know that stomata open at 73/74, so would spraying lights off when temps are colder be optimal? What are your room temps when you foliar?

Any tips?

 

[jackmayoffer]

SO jack you dont worry about humidity when your lights are on off period...And do your plants stretch more then usual in the first three weeks of flower? Great info everyday is a learning experience.

I would not say dont worry about it more like its more important to have warm temps and higher humidity in veg and first 3 weeks of flower then most growers do in a sealed room.Stretch depends on phenos most OG stretch 3x same with hybrids.But I prefer phenos that stretch allows less veg I like to treat the first 2 to 3 weeks as the plants are still vegging/Transting into flower thats when they grow the most.We have never had an issue with PM.Jack

Jack,

What type of sprayer do you use for foliar? Do you only spray the undersides or do you coat top and bottom of leaves? When using systemic products such as floramite etc. do you think it is necessary to hit nearly every leaf, or is just the lower 1/3 enough to get the trick done? It's often easier to just go for the undercarriage and not waste time/spray trying to get all the leaves near the top. Just wondering what has been your experience with foliar plant coverage and spray effectiveness. I also know that stomata open at 73/74, so would spraying lights off when temps are colder be optimal? What are your room temps when you foliar?

Any tips?

We use foggers any Fogger in the 300.00 range works good. So we cover the entire plant floors walls everything. Always during lights out with ac's off and all fans and filters off
I will grab the brand of the foggers next time im next to one. Bugs and mold are prevented in the mom and cutting room if those two are prevented the big rooms never have an issue.Its the lazy growers who puts cuttings in full of mites and other pathogens..

 

[KeepItPushin]

Think you missed the bulk of my question:

Do you think it is necessary to hit nearly every leaf, or is just the lower 1/3 enough to get the trick done? It's often easier to just go for the undercarriage and not waste time/spray trying to get all the leaves near the top (nor waste spray on tops of leaves). Just wondering what has been your experience with foliar plant coverage and spray effectiveness.

I also know that stomata open at 73/74, so would spraying lights off when temps are colder be optimal? What are your room temps when you foliar?

Thanks.

 

[jackmayoffer]

Think you missed the bulk of my question:

Do you think it is necessary to hit nearly every leaf, or is just the lower 1/3 enough to get the trick done? It's often easier to just go for the undercarriage and not waste time/spray trying to get all the leaves near the top (nor waste spray on tops of leaves). Just wondering what has been your experience with foliar plant coverage and spray effectiveness.

I also know that stomata open at 73/74, so would spraying lights off when temps are colder be optimal? What are your room temps when you foliar?

Thanks.

I didnt miss anything you asked and I answered i spray everything the entire plant stem beds floors walls the entire room is fogged. As far as temp we spray with lights.out and lights out temps are usually 72 to76

 

[HUGE]

Jack 1 question. Were you using ant sort of silica additive before you started using the fascilitator?

 

[jackmayoffer]

Jack 1 question. Were you using ant sort of silica additive before you started using the fascilitator?

I use the yellow bottle Bloom Silica.

 

[InstantKarma]

Let me know how that works out thats higher then what we run . I will get all the details up in a day or two.

The 3.5mL/Gal was definitely too much, the cuts were soft and dark after 24 hours. What dilution are you running? Are you fully submerging the clones in Physan for any extended time or just the stems?

Thanks again Jack.

 

[HUGE]

I use the yellow bottle Bloom Silica.

So you use bloom silica and fascilitator together in the same res?

 

[advanced396]

Huge.
Jack says he only uses fascilitator with the Aptus nutrients.

 

[KeepItPushin]

I didnt miss anything you asked and I answered i spray everything the entire plant stem beds floors walls the entire room is fogged. As far as temp we spray with lights.out and lights out temps are usually 72 to76

So.. Why do you spray canna boost and/or tea on the floors and walls?

 

[Dark Helmet]

um u might wanna re-read his response cause he answered ur question..

the entire room is fogged

 

[true grit]

Why would he spray teas on walls? He is saying there is a fogger system to apply foliars, canna boost and teas go into feed.

 

[Karma Genetics]

So.. Why do you spray canna boost and/or tea on the floors and walls?

That was info ohn pesticide's.


And yes he said he folair feeds canna boost.



Running a tight ship a good garden and good genetics is in my eyes 80% of what you see. atleast.



Keep it up jack, No matter what folks say i know you got mad love for the plant.

 

[KeepItPushin]

Why would he spray teas on walls? He is saying there is a fogger system to apply foliars, canna boost and teas go into feed.

If you sir had read the entire thread, you would know that Jack alternates between canna boost and caps tea twice a weeks for foliar (and doesn't spray pesticides on his plants!). I've read this entire thread start to finish multiple times, so please don't act like I don't know all the details. Trust me I know what I am asking, and there's a good reason for every question.

Now..

Jack when you say 'fogger' I took it to mean the handheld portable foggers that run on a 110 power cord, as I haven't seen any fogging infrastructure in any of your pictures to indicate that you have a system in place that sprays hands-free. Could you please elaborate on your system?

My previous question about floors and walls was out of curiosity. I was picturing you in there spraying a handheld fogger on all of your walls and it just didn't make sense, why waste tea/boost on the walls? I'm just trying to understand why you would spray the floors and walls if you are not using a product like eagle 20 or floramite to prevent bugs or pm from hiding in your room? Help me make sense of this please..

Thanks, and sorry if my question seemed ambiguous. The way i see it, your foliar regimen contributes greatly to your speed, as most growers just don't dedicate time to do two foliars per week up to week 4/5.

Props to all your hard work.