Yeah its about time to see how the leds hold up in flower looking good so far!
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Yeah its about time to see how the leds hold up in flower looking good so far!
MedicalMan
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blazeoneup check the link - irishboy pulled 546 from a 740w LED. Probably surpass 1g/w if he went the hydro route.
http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/545221-irish-boys-glh-600w-led-grow.html
http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/545221-irish-boys-glh-600w-led-grow.html
u-nah-bomba
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546 grams (umm, did anyone notice how 1 day before he weighed them, he was telling everyone how they all needed a lot more drying time?) from 749W = .73 grams per watt. What's REALLY funny about this grow, is that Irish used training/LST techniquest to try and increase his yields. The reason this is funny, is because he did .78 grams per watt with our 1st generation 126W light, using absolutely NO training or yield maximization methods, and that was several months ago (you're supposed to get better with each grow ya know). Our 2nd gens perform better than our first, and had he used training/LST with our light, he most certainly would have been over 1 gram per watt without switching to hydro. The company who makes the light he was using has a crap product and Irish proved it. It's too bad other people are so blind to see it, not to mention the buds he produced with that 750W LED are about half the size as some produced by independents using a single 126W light. In the end he did BETTER WITH OUR 1st GEN 126W WITH ZERO TRAINING, than he did with a 750W LED and training it up the yin yang. OUCH.
Update Time!
Update Time!
What's up, My fellow cannabis cultivators...
Time for this weeks updates, I have some good shot's to share with you and a little details on how things are coming along. Keep in mind it is still really early and who knows what the next 8 weeks will bring but things have tipped towards the HID side as it stands, the HID has taken a strong lead in the first 2 weeks of 12/12.
Now for some photo's & my on view on the grow thus far.
Here is a shot of both LED & HID side, As you can see the HID side is around 6" taller so the plants are stretching more on the HID side where the LED still seems to stay more compact and bushy,
Couple pictures of the LED side with lights off!
Couple pictures of the HID side with lights off!
Now the 2 largest plants from each side, Side by Side, LED on the left HID on the right!
Now for a picture of the main top on the largest plant on the LED and HID side to show flower developement. The plants are on day 14 12/12.
The main top on the largest plant on the HID side.
The main top on the largest plant on the LED side.
Now here is a shot of the largest plant from the HID sides main stalk/branch/top.
Now here is a shot of the largest plant from the LED sides main stalk/branch/top.
Now I would like to take a few minutes and make some key points real quick and share some of my findings thus far.
I'll start with veg, The LED deffinantly won the veg cycle, It produces faster initial growth rates, So seems its better at getting freshly rooted clones started than the Metal Halide. it produced larger more compacted plants with more overall tops then the mh side. The growth rates maintained speed through-out veg and I feel the LED at half the wattage is the superior veg light.
Now it's still early on in flower and we cannot be certian what will happen in the next 8 weeks. But here is my findings/opinion thus far.
The HID side has taken a commanding lead during the stretch and onset of flowers. The led side seems to have kept the tight bushy structure and the plants have remained more compact and tighter noded.
The plants on the HID side have much thicker main stalks then the LED plants do, The flowers seem more developed then the LED does, I'm curious to see how well the LED side will support the cola's to come. As it stands the LED plants look pretty good but comparing them to the HID ladies they are smaller and less developed at this point. If you look at the last 2 pics I posted you can see how much thicker the stalks are on the HID side.
Otherwise everything is looking good.
Update Time!
What's up, My fellow cannabis cultivators...
Time for this weeks updates, I have some good shot's to share with you and a little details on how things are coming along. Keep in mind it is still really early and who knows what the next 8 weeks will bring but things have tipped towards the HID side as it stands, the HID has taken a strong lead in the first 2 weeks of 12/12.
Now for some photo's & my on view on the grow thus far.
Here is a shot of both LED & HID side, As you can see the HID side is around 6" taller so the plants are stretching more on the HID side where the LED still seems to stay more compact and bushy,
Couple pictures of the LED side with lights off!
Couple pictures of the HID side with lights off!
Now the 2 largest plants from each side, Side by Side, LED on the left HID on the right!
Now for a picture of the main top on the largest plant on the LED and HID side to show flower developement. The plants are on day 14 12/12.
The main top on the largest plant on the HID side.
The main top on the largest plant on the LED side.
Now here is a shot of the largest plant from the HID sides main stalk/branch/top.
Now here is a shot of the largest plant from the LED sides main stalk/branch/top.
Now I would like to take a few minutes and make some key points real quick and share some of my findings thus far.
I'll start with veg, The LED deffinantly won the veg cycle, It produces faster initial growth rates, So seems its better at getting freshly rooted clones started than the Metal Halide. it produced larger more compacted plants with more overall tops then the mh side. The growth rates maintained speed through-out veg and I feel the LED at half the wattage is the superior veg light.
Now it's still early on in flower and we cannot be certian what will happen in the next 8 weeks. But here is my findings/opinion thus far.
The HID side has taken a commanding lead during the stretch and onset of flowers. The led side seems to have kept the tight bushy structure and the plants have remained more compact and tighter noded.
The plants on the HID side have much thicker main stalks then the LED plants do, The flowers seem more developed then the LED does, I'm curious to see how well the LED side will support the cola's to come. As it stands the LED plants look pretty good but comparing them to the HID ladies they are smaller and less developed at this point. If you look at the last 2 pics I posted you can see how much thicker the stalks are on the HID side.
Otherwise everything is looking good.
MedicalMan
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LEDGirl, not every post on LED lighting is a contest between yourself and competing companies.There are LED's on ebay that will perform just as well - people will make their own choice without you stuffing nonsense down their throat.... it becomes somewhat repetitive and tiresome.
As for LED lighting itself - ALL LED lighting originates in the far east, namely China. If you try saying different you are full of crap.
Most companies simply import LED lighting from Chinese suppliers then stick their logo on it
Sorry for the distraction Blazeoneup, but that needed to be put straight.
MedicalMan
New member
oh, and here's a quote from High Times:
*To give some added perspective on the sheer costs of developing the LED to its full potential, High Times got an inside scoop on the future of LED lighting straight from China – the hub of LED research, development and production.
Preliminary reports have stated that a diode measuring two by two inches (which is an extremely large diode compared to conventional LED’s) has been manufactured in China and is currently in the testing phase. Approximately a half-dozen of these diodes were created in a clean room, as microprocessors might be, with only a small percentage of them working for a short period of time. Still, the 200-watt diode, which is a blue, phosphor-coated bulb, reportedly emits 200,000 lumens!
While the cost of materials and actual construction are negligible, the research and developmental costs for this project have been estimated at 60 million yuan, or $8 million – over $1 million per diode. As always, once mass production starts, the cost of these diodes will drop fast… but starting at a million per, it’s going to be at least 10 years before we see anything like that in a growroom.*
*To give some added perspective on the sheer costs of developing the LED to its full potential, High Times got an inside scoop on the future of LED lighting straight from China – the hub of LED research, development and production.
Preliminary reports have stated that a diode measuring two by two inches (which is an extremely large diode compared to conventional LED’s) has been manufactured in China and is currently in the testing phase. Approximately a half-dozen of these diodes were created in a clean room, as microprocessors might be, with only a small percentage of them working for a short period of time. Still, the 200-watt diode, which is a blue, phosphor-coated bulb, reportedly emits 200,000 lumens!
While the cost of materials and actual construction are negligible, the research and developmental costs for this project have been estimated at 60 million yuan, or $8 million – over $1 million per diode. As always, once mass production starts, the cost of these diodes will drop fast… but starting at a million per, it’s going to be at least 10 years before we see anything like that in a growroom.*
good job blaze. just what i have expected. led for veg and hps flower i think would be an great combo.too bad their so expensive
MedicalMan.. I am currently living in Shenzhen China.. Where 95% of the LED grow lights are manufactured. I have also visited several factories and can tell you that even though the outside me look the same the guts of these lights can be very different. Some even manufacture their own LED's to their customers specifications. After much research into the subject I have had 4 x 300 watt systems manufactured to my specifications. Much of what LEDGirl has said about her lights is very true. Personally I have only one concern with her spec's and she is using a 60 degree lens.. Now most that you can buy off the internet are 120 degree.. which I agree is to broad of a light dispersion but at the same time I think that 60 degree is narrow. I have chosen to go with a 90 degree lens and with 4 bands of light.. with the primary lights being of 440nm and 660nm with the ability to switch of the blue LEDS for flowering. 440nm and 660nm tracks the peaks of Chlorophyll A photosynthesis at their peak absorption.
If you look at the plants in the most recent photos posted by Blaze showing the two plants side by side at 14 days of 12 x 12 lighting you see a very distinct difference in the color of the leaves between the two plants. I am not really sure what to make of this, the LED plants project the same coloration as they did while in the vegetation cycle. Where the HID images show a deeper green almost purple green, HID lamps produce very little light in the 400nm to 500nm spectrum and the HPS is even much less. Will be interesting to see how this plays out..
If you look at the plants in the most recent photos posted by Blaze showing the two plants side by side at 14 days of 12 x 12 lighting you see a very distinct difference in the color of the leaves between the two plants. I am not really sure what to make of this, the LED plants project the same coloration as they did while in the vegetation cycle. Where the HID images show a deeper green almost purple green, HID lamps produce very little light in the 400nm to 500nm spectrum and the HPS is even much less. Will be interesting to see how this plays out..
MedicalMan
New member
wg1750, i agree - like anything in life there are good, there are bad, and there those in between.
From my understanding the narrower the angle e.g. 60 degrees, the greater the canopy penetration. Of course that's of no great concern (unless growing bushes or considering sticking a 90w UFO in a warehouse)... a cab of 36"h x 18"d x 48"w would suffice for two 90w UFO's whose canopy penetration isn't as great as the aforementioned (SOG no doubt giving best results).
Ebay has plenty of productive LED's... if you know what to look for.
2 weeks into flower and you've called it already?
also remember that the LED is half the wattage of the HPS...
LEDGirl, not every post on LED lighting is a contest between yourself and competing companies.There are LED's on ebay that will perform just as well - people will make their own choice without you stuffing nonsense down their throat.... it becomes somewhat repetitive and tiresome.
As for LED lighting itself - ALL LED lighting originates in the far east, namely China. If you try saying different you are full of crap.
Most companies simply import LED lighting from Chinese suppliers then stick their logo on it
Sorry for the distraction Blazeoneup, but that needed to be put straight.
Who cares if all LED lighting originates from the same place? What makes the difference is the specific LEDs used and the combination they're used in. For the amount of shit you're talking it doesn't seem like you're very educated about LED growing.
LEDGirl isn't stuffing nonsense down anyone's throat... you're the one that came in here with a link to another forum showing a grower using a completely different LED setup. All she did was make a distinction between their LEDs and hers. If you were genuinely interested you would've seen that LEDGirl has addressed just about everything you've mentioned before.
A lot of people aren't interested in the results, they're interested in affirming their belief that LEDs are inferior. Anybody making conclusions before we see the harvest and get some numbers obviously doesn't care and isn't interested.
MedicalMan
New member
Indeed as i pointed out to wg1750. The point is this; some people state that others shouldn't buy LED lighting from ebay as they are knock offs from China
- as for being educated in LED 
i suppose i know as much as the next guy Look, i couldn't care less if it was a completely different LED setup that i posted... it was a link intended for Blazeoneup, to show how decent that LED grow turned out. LEDGirl then turned my post into a marketing campaign... which i have no interest in - that's what i meant by nonsense. And yes, it is total bollox nonsense.
Hope that clears things up. No offense intended.
I won't reply to anything more as this thread belongs to Blazeoneup.
Dr. Green Thumb
Member
totally forgot about this thread!....looking good blaze
Fuckin sick blaze,looks like its all growin good,I think I'm with you on the LED being a sweet veg light, either way as soon as I can afford it I'd like to make my whole veg room LED's only and keep the HID hps for bloom. Lookin great tho and kick ass work LEDgirl on these panels and so true on that other LED grow I think yours are far superior to many if all others out there.
Indeed as i pointed out to wg1750. The point is this; some people state that others shouldn't buy LED lighting from ebay as they are knock offs from China
Look, i couldn't care less if it was a completely different LED setup that i posted... it was a link intended for Blazeoneup, to show how decent that LED grow turned out. LEDGirl then turned my post into a marketing campaign... which i have no interest in - that's what i meant by nonsense. And yes, it is total bollox nonsense.
Hope that clears things up. No offense intended.
I won't reply to anything more as this thread belongs to Blazeoneup.
hahaha, I enjoyed the post, I personally understand your point, LEDGirl is quick to market her product.
Think of it like this though, LEDGirl paid $2,500 to gypsy so she could market her products on this website. She also supplied at no cost multiple members of this forum with free lights, even forked out the coin for shipping, So seeing her advertise her products is just something you should expect to see, She has put a lot of money into this investment if you will, I understand how this can get under some peoples skin specially when she seems to jump into every LED thread and market her product.
The fact remains that she has paid for the right to market her products how she see's fit. I guess her methods can be offensive to some people. I just hope for the sake of honesty and humbleness everyone can learn to overlook this and look at the bigger picture. She is probably going about somethings in a manner that offends plenty of people. But in the end she is trying to bring forth products that do what they are said to do, Low heat low electric and results that can compare to that of HID.
I think some people also need to take into account LEDGirl is a women and you know women, Always gotta get the last word in and speak their peace ya know.
I know from chatting with others and reading multiple led threads that most people dont dislike the LEDS made by LEDGirl they simply dislike LEDGirl. So they look at it like this fuck LEDGirl and fuck Hydro-Grow-LEDS.
I have had my share of private messages with LEDGirl not much chatting more related to the LEDLight I recieved, I have come to this conclusion she is money motivated as with any other company, However she is also heart set on producing a quality light which lives up to the potential. She isnt trying to slap crap together and sell it and make a profit she is trying to produce a quality product that works as advertised and make some coin in the proccess. There is nothing wrong with that, I kinda wish she wouldn't have rubbed so many the wrong way. It makes it hard for people to open their minds to facts when they have a clouded judgement based on feelings towards her in general.
You're right Blaze, we are definitely in business to make money as is any other company. We're simply less money-motivated than most, which is why our lights are cheaper than Growl LED, HIDHut, Lumigrow, Procyon, Theoreme Innovations, HTG Supply, Sunshine Systems, and more. You also get more for your money with our lights, as has been proven by Wizo, Irish, Setting Sun, and others in our side by side LED vs LED grow tests. Out of all the companies listed, HIDHut is the only other company to design a new panel for their company specifically. We now have the 205W, 345W, and 504W lights, which are 3 brand new designs we designed and paid for, based on the requests from people on these forums. Each panel we make costs us an average of $10,000 not including the first produced unit. We've put a lot of our profits back into developing our lights, so we can give our customers what they're asking for, rather than pocketing the money.
There are several individuals out there who like you say "hate LEDGirl, and therefore hate Hydro-Gro", but most of this hatred stemmed out of their attacking me, and then my responding. It's funny because I get called a bitch by these guys who are being complete assholes to me, and the only reason they call me a bitch is because I don't bend over and take it, and that I actually stand up for myself. When you have people day after day talking crap about your product, telling you what it CAN'T do (when they have no experience with it), and how you're "never gonna do this or that", are you supposed to be like "ya, that's nice..." when everyone else is already proving them wrong? So what it comes down to is that people are judging me on a double standard where it's fine for anyone to be an asshole to me, and if I say anything back then I'm a bitch, but they'll never call the guy attacking me an asshole. You know kinda how guys high five each other for sleeping with this girl or that one, and yet if a woman does the same thing with a man they call her a whore or a slut? So yeah I get this reputation as said, all due to worthless trolls who were stirring up shit and creating a double standard, much like MedMan was trying to do just now on your thread. He comes onto a thread about our lights, to post a link to someone else's grow with one of our competitor's products, who also used to use our own panels and had better results with them. He doesn't show you any of the MASSIVE buds created with our panels, he wants to show you someone else's, and results that really aren't all the impressive to begin with. So he feels it's perfectly fine for him to advertise someone else's product in one of our sponsored threads, but then attacks me for "advertising" in a thread I sponsored? It makes no sense.
Like you said, I paid good money to be here, and have sent out THOUSANDS in free lights to both moderators and community members. Since signing on with ICMag, our commitment to this community has cost around $10,000. We've done as much as we can for this forum, including supplying all the skeptics with what they asked for, and in the end all these people want to do is cling to the past, rather than move on and buy the panel they know to be the best. Perhaps if they weren't an asshole to me, you think I might not have been "bitchy" back to them? Seriously... I have a pretty good name for myself on some other forums just because the members there aren't so ill-mannered. It seems that when you treat me nicely, I have no reason to respond harshly.
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MedicalMan
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blazeoneup, point taken mate
My final response to LEDGirl, just to put the record straight.
LEDGirl, i was a member at OG way back - always had great banter with guys such as Erliquin, Memyselfandi, BOG, Oldpink and many other great guys. Never a problem.
So no, your assumption is way off, i'm no troll - i say it like i see it.
As for sponsored threads - does your sponsorship entitle you to market your product in every thread on icmag, or just your own vendor forum? I understand fully the process of business marketing - the money you pay for sponsorship, as well as handing out free lights, is just plain business strategy.... it's not like you're mother Teresa handing to the needy for no return.
I said my piece. No hard feelings.
My final response to LEDGirl, just to put the record straight.
LEDGirl, i was a member at OG way back - always had great banter with guys such as Erliquin, Memyselfandi, BOG, Oldpink and many other great guys. Never a problem.
So no, your assumption is way off, i'm no troll - i say it like i see it.
As for sponsored threads - does your sponsorship entitle you to market your product in every thread on icmag, or just your own vendor forum? I understand fully the process of business marketing - the money you pay for sponsorship, as well as handing out free lights, is just plain business strategy.... it's not like you're mother Teresa handing to the needy for no return.
I said my piece. No hard feelings.
