205w LED vs 400w HID Let the battle begin!

[Travieso]

I didnt screw up anything but thanks for your opinion...

Oh and if I didnt already post the bulb was used for 4 cycles of 12/12 at 70 days. So go figure the bulb was far from behond its life. I know there are plenty of folks using bulbs much longer then that, So you need to factor in yeah the bulb was used but it sure wasnt past its advertised lifespan.

Oh ok, so thats really not that old then. I was thinkin it was a really old shot out bulb. I usually chuck my bulbs after a year of usage.The LEDS are really blowin the HID out of the water then. very impressive. If only i could afford some. hopefully these will come down in price soon!

P.s. did you have to pay for your LED's?

 

[Sleepy]

keep up the good work, blaze!!

they look great!

 

[blazeoneup]

Oh ok, so thats really not that old then. I was thinkin it was a really old shot out bulb. I usually chuck my bulbs after a year of usage.The LEDS are really blowin the HID out of the water then. very impressive. If only i could afford some. hopefully these will come down in price soon!

P.s. did you have to pay for your LED's?

No I got this light 100% free for testing purposes, I entered the $5000 LED promotion and was picked as a tester.

If you check my entry out, I posted that I would not be biased and told ledgirl if she wasnt sure of her product I wouldnt be a good choice because I would share it with everyone good/bad.

She picked me so that shows the confidence she has in her products and so far I am actually suprised by the growth rates!

 

[AOD2012]

nice job blaze, dong an incredible job, this has got me thinking more and more about leds as a viable and maybe even better option to my current setup. i am very excited to see how the leds look in flowering. good job brotha and keep it coming. you must spread some reputation around before giving it to blazeoneup again.... damn haha

 

[YosemiteSam]

We have the utmost confidence in our products as they are based 100% on science and we spent years developing them. It's been a hard battle proving to people their efficiency, but I'm glad we were able to get units out to people like Blaze, Hazy, Verdant and others, who are doing a great job of showing what they can do.

So let me ask you this, is your goal to match your current yield with HID, or is it to run the same sized space, same # of plants, and increase your overall yield? If these grow tests are showing at least one thing, it's that our LED lights are at minimum twice as efficient as HID lighting, so if you're currently running say (2) 600W HID's you'd only need about 600W of our LED to keep your yields the same. I would recommend (3) 205W units which would cover a maximum area of 7.5' x 2.5', or (4) 205W units over a max size of 5' x 5'. Needless to say since you don't need as much wattage as HID to get the same results, you also don't need as much area either, as a lot of HID users tend to "over-extend" in my opinion, the lighting area of their lights. If you goal is to cover the entire 4' x 8' area, then I would use (8) 205W units which would draw approximately 1500W and also produce at least double the yield of your current HID setup. The cost for 8 is $5200 shipped.

Goal would be 1) to get as much yield out of my current space as possible and 2) to grow as few plants as possible as it makes being legal in CO a lot easier and avoids that pesky arbitrary number the feds use.

Obviously it looks like led's would be a good idea for veg and to be honest that cost does not scare me off (basically if it gave me 5 extra qps it pays for itself in one grow...ie if I can get 5lbs in a 4x8 area). Thinkin I might wanna try 205 just to get a feel for it first and base the next decision on how that goes...but this thread has shown me the potential.

Reason I am curious about covering the area is because I want my vegging plants to bush out and I find giving them plenty of space makes that a lot easier...when I jam them together they tend to go up, not out.

Perhaps I am thinking in the HID paradigm and there is a better way with LEDs.

Do you have any tree grows with your lights? Any thoughts on how to play the low plant count game with your product?

Definitely looking forward to how those 6 plants fill out under that one LED and seeing if it penetrates when they get some height...good news is my mind is more open than it was 3 weeks ago.

Thanks again Blaze and LEDGirl.

 

[LEDGirl]

Hi Yosemite,

Alright so if you're trying to get the same results with LED, all you need to do is reduce your current operating wattage by half (so if that's 1200W HPS, you need 600W LED). The amount of area your lights will cover depends on which lights you purchase, as coverage area differs from light to light. For example our 126W supplies approximately 21W per square foot to it's coverage area while the 205W supplies approximately 34W per square foot in its. The 345W is more powerful than all of them supplying over 50W of LED per square foot to it's coverage area. So if you go with a low watt per square foot light, you can create larger areas of coverage. If you instead want to get as much from the smallest area possible, then use our 205W or 345W panels.

As far as bushy plants, our lights seem to do this automatically in about 90% of grows. Our lights will pack more nodes more tightly than any other lights source without any training. This will create much bushier plants if you decide you want to train them. If you want to create a bit of stretch though, simply use our panels between 9-12" from your canopy.

For tree grows, the tallest I've done with LED is about 42" with the lights 6" away. I had the same sized buds on the bottom as I would using multiple 1000W HID's, but I wouldn't grow plants any taller. We all know that the biggest buds are created within 24" of the plant, and using training methods with shorter plants often leads to higher yields. It's for this reason we recommend smaller plants with LED, which take up less space and reward you for it. Depending on how long you veg them, you will also need less plants to create the same yields as you did before. It's all about how you grow

 

[LEDGirl]

Any difference in light penetration between HID and LED from top of canopy? Perhaps LED provides less penetration but the fact you are able to keep LED closer to canopy makes it a wash?

LED has slightly less light fade over distance vs LED as it is a point source light. The difference is only a few %, but it shows that if you have the same amount of LED light vs HID, that the LED will actually penetrate a little deeper.

 

[AOD2012]

hey ledgirl, wanted to apologize for doubting the effectiveness of your products. i am extremely impressed with what they are accomplishing. and the more blaze posts the more and more i am leaning towards picking a few of these badboys. i am currently on the east coast and was wondering if your shipping is somewhat stealthy. thanks for any feedback

 

[LEDGirl]

Plain brown cardboard boxes

 

[Jaybird2203]

just the way we like things to be shipped, lol

 

[Shakalaka]

If there is bubble wrap included in the shipping material i will definitely order one soon....oh god just can't stop the pop!

 

[MeanBean]

no bubble wrap, The units are in like a foam casing... it's real nice :0

 

[Moondog]

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[LEDGirl]

Any updates Blaze?

 

[blazeoneup]

Any updates Blaze?

Yep I would have posted these earlier, I just been busy with other things, Here are the pics from this past monday!

 

[Shakalaka]

how long do these LED panels last before u gotta replace them? its too bad u used an older bulb from the start...dont know how much that really will effect the results in the end.

 

[kannubis]

Originally Posted by blazeoneup
Yeah its exactly 4 rounds of 12/12 with 4 crops 70 days per crop. So 280 TO 300 days of 12/12. Really dont matter now that its been replaced.

gotta add that the led doesn't need to be replaced for a much longer time period - one more positive to leds

 

[DR PONIX]

LOL

LOL

every canna site i go to i see this led girl trying to push her lights hahaha leds wont be replacing 1000 watt mags anytime soon maybe if your a closet grower not commercial give it 5 years

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

every canna site i go to i see this led girl trying to push her lights hahaha leds wont be replacing 1000 watt mags anytime soon maybe if your a closet grower not commercial give it 5 years

It must be getting hard to troll when actual side by side evidence is presented...

 

[DR PONIX]

trolling?? hahaha

trolling?? hahaha

u guys are funny my bro is doing a side by side seen it with my own eyes take your leds and lets see how they do in a 5 x 5 these cuboard grows arent a real comparrison... my bros says it does 25 sq feet what a joke all i am saying is they dont compare if your cash cropping, dont get me wrong there awesome for the hobbiest but not guys doing mutiple lights and growing for yield, so in my opinion they dont compare call me a troll whatever all i see is this led girl on every canna site trying to push her shit,