2024 US Presidential Election

[moose eater]

I missed the moment when DHS officers were disappearing demonstrators at college campuses. That happened in 2020, and not in 2024, so far as I'm aware.

But sure, blame Biden and elect Trump.

There's been infractions against protestors involved in actions where numerous administrations viewed that opposition as unpalatable for decades, including those suppression efforts involving the FBI, GW's 'free speech zones', illegally operating DoD UCs on domestic/US soil, and lots more.

But I live in the 'now', as do many others. The mosquito that bit me yesterday isn't of much concern at the moment. And currently, Biden is detaining visitors via Homeland Security and INS shakedowns, and local and state cops are literally manufacturing narratives for the purpose of detaining and sometimes charging those who protest things the administration is doing. Criminalizing and harassing opposition isn't a new tactic for totalitarians.

Protesting what happened 4 years ago seems pretty moot, unless distraction and pivoting away from the issues of today is your game. If so, that's a blindered game of ignorance and partisan avoidance.

Again, in the here and now, this is what's happening, whether comfy to consider for the people choosing to be willfully blinded by partisanism or not.

And a vote for a third-party candidate with fewer sins under their fingernails is not a vote for Trump. Trump votes are votes for Trump. Guilt via assigning blame for things not owned or done by another is another partisan manipulation game I don't play. Like a spoiled child in the sand box who says if they can't write the rules, then the others rejecting their rules are bad people. Games for small-minded people with limited ethics, integrity and vision..

Maybe one day the mindless team jersey-wearing partisans will do some serious analysis of the qualifications, records, and integrity of those whose pipe-playing they so readily follow into the sewers.

 

[GenghisKush]

Congratulations on living in the now.

My concern is not so much now, but tomorrow.

If memory serves, the man who's running against Biden very much engaged the force of the Federal Government to suppress actual speech that he didn't much care for. In fact, if people like Gen. Milley are to be believed, he attempted to use his Constitutional authority to order these demonstrators murdered by the Federal Government.

What, precisely, has the Biden administration done to limit the speech of so-called pro-Palestinian demonstrators? The only factual example I'm aware of is an Israeli historian, upon entering the US, was detained - for two hours! - and asked about his views concerning the Isral/Hamas conflict.

I'm not suggesting anyone protest what happened four years ago. However, I will choose to remember what happened four years ago, and that will inform my vote. I will urge those who encounter my words to remember these things, as well, and not to be swayed by specious arguments that imply power and authority located in the Office of President that doesn't yet exist.

 

[igrowone]

Congratulations on living in the now.

My concern is not so much now, but tomorrow.

If memory serves, the man who's running against Biden very much engaged the force of the Federal Government to suppress actual speech that he didn't much care for. In fact, if people like Gen. Milley are to be believed, he attempted to use his Constitutional authority to order these demonstrators murdered by the Federal Government.

What, precisely, has the Biden administration done to limit the speech of so-called pro-Palestinian demonstrators? The only factual example I'm aware of is an Israeli historian, upon entering the US, was detained - for two hours! - and asked about his views concerning the Isral/Hamas conflict.

I'm not suggesting anyone protest what happened four years ago. However, I will choose to remember what happened four years ago, and that will inform my vote. I will urge those who encounter my words to remember these things, as well, and not to be swayed by specious arguments that imply power and authority located in the Office of President that doesn't yet exist.

 

[trichrider]

Illegals Instructed to Vote Biden for Border NGO to ‘Stay Open’​

Illegals Instructed to Vote Biden for Border NGO to ‘Stay Open’

An advocacy group based in Northeastern Mexico has distributed flyers encouraging illegal immigrants to vote for President Joe Biden.

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Over 40 Democrat Mayors Demand Biden Give Illegal Aliens Jobs and Work Permits, Claim They Will Boost Economy By $7 TRILLION!​

Over 40 Democrat Mayors Demand Biden Give Illegal Aliens Jobs and Work Permits, Claim They Will Boost Economy By $7 TRILLION! | The Gateway Pundit | by Ben Kew

Over 40 Democratic mayors are demanding that Joe Biden give jobs and work permits to migrants who have entered the U.S. illegally.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Iran, China, India, Pakistan And Turkey: Military-Aged Men Making Global Run For Biden's Open Border​

Iran, China, India, Pakistan And Turkey: Military-Aged Men Making Global Run For Biden's Open Border | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

CIA Blocked Probe Into Hunter's Hollywood Tax 'Sugar Brother': Whistleblower​

CIA Blocked Probe Into Hunter's Hollywood Tax 'Sugar Brother': Whistleblower | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Document Dump: Encrypted Message Sent by Hunter Biden to CEO of CCP-Linked CEFC Conglomerate, Setting Up a Meeting with Joe Biden in Dec. 2017​

Document Dump: Encrypted Message Sent by Hunter Biden to CEO of CCP-Linked CEFC Conglomerate, Setting Up a Meeting with Joe Biden in Dec. 2017 | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

New documents released by the House Ways and Means Committee show an encrypted message sent by Hunter Biden to the CEO of CEFC Global Strategic Holdings, a CCP-linked conglomerate, setting up a meeting with Joe Biden in December 2017.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

have a nice day.

 

[RobFromTX]

libertarians will boo someone promoting seatbelts. they're retarded.

Since you don't believe there's a left wing party in this country...or left wing politics for that matter...then wouldn't that make libertarians the moderates?

 

[Hiddenjems]

Should insurance pay for the bad decision of electing not to wear a helmet?

Elections have consequences and so do bad decisions.

By that logic smoking cigs and eating poorly would be illegal.

 

[armedoldhippy]

My concern is not so much now, but tomorrow.

tomorrow is all we have...

 

[armedoldhippy]

Should insurance pay for the bad decision of electing not to wear a helmet?

insurance companies should charge those that don't behave extra for the risks they expose themselves to. i'd cheerfully pay more for insurance if that meant i got to make my own decisions without govt "nudges" i don't see the govt as having a dog in that fight. no laws against diving off of the roof of your house that i'm aware of....

 

[armedoldhippy]

By that logic smoking cigs and eating poorly would be illegal.

i don't often agree with you, but when you're right, you're right!

 

[armedoldhippy]

But sure, blame Biden and elect Trump.

exactly what Chumpettes are hoping for...

 

[GenghisKush]

Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators​

Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”

By Josh Dawsey, Karen DeYoung and Marianne LeVine

May 27, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. EDT

President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the Oval Office on March 25, 2019, the day Trump signed a U.S. declaration recognizing Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights, reversing more than a half-century of U.S. policy. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.

“One thing I do is, any student that protests, I throw them out of the country. You know, there are a lot of foreign students. As soon as they hear that, they’re going to behave,” Trump said on May 14, according to donors at the event.

When one of the donors complained that many of the students and professors protesting on campuses could one day hold positions of power in the United States, Trump called the demonstrators part of a “radical revolution” that he vowed to defeat. He praised the New York Police Department for clearing the campus at Columbia University and said other cities needed to follow suit, saying “it has to be stopped now.”

“Well, if you get me elected, and you should really be doing this, if you get me reelected, we’re going to set that movement back 25 or 30 years,” he said, according to the donors, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to detail a private event.

Trump has waffled publicly about whether Israel should continue its war in Gaza, saying “get it over with … get back to peace and stop killing people.” Major Republican donors have lobbied him in recent months to take a stronger stance backing Israel and its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

The private New York meeting offers new insight into his current thinking. Speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, Trump said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror” and boasted of his White House policies toward Israel.

The former president didn’t mention Netanyahu, whom he resents for acknowledging Joe Biden’s victory in 2020 and hasn’t spoken to in years.

Trump has offered few policy specifics about how he’d treat Israel in a second term. He cast doubt on the viability of an independent Palestinian state in a recent Time magazine interview, saying he was “not sure a two-state solution anymore is gonna work,” adding: “there may not be another idea.” A two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been the end goal of U.S. policy under Democratic and Republican presidents for decades.

Trump’s campaign did not respond to detailed questions about The Washington Post’s reporting. “When President Trump is back in the Oval Office, Israel will once again be protected, Iran will go back to being broke, terrorists will be hunted down, and the bloodshed will end,” Karoline Leavitt, the campaign’s national press secretary, wrote in an email.

Both Trump and Biden have struggled with the politics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on the campaign trail. Biden’s base is deeply divided on the Israel-Gaza war, but Trump’s rhetoric on the subject has limited his ability to capitalize on his opponent’s problems.

Trump has repeatedly claimed in public statements and interviews that Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel, which sparked the Gaza war, would have never happened if he were president.
But he has also criticized Israel’s approach to the war, albeit in somewhat confusing terms. In a March interview with the Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom, Trump said, “You have to finish up your war. To finish it up. You gotta get it done.” In April, he argued the war was bad for Israel’s image, telling conservative talk show radio host Hugh Hewitt that Israel is “absolutely losing the PR war.”

Trump took a different tone in the meeting with donors. Instead of saying it was time to wrap up the war, he said he supported Israel’s right to continue its attack on Gaza.
“But I’m one of the only people that says that now. And a lot of people don’t even know what October 7th is,” Trump said.

Trump repeatedly listed for the donors everything he believed he had done for Israel in the White House. He moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, bucking decades of U.S. policy. He recognized the Golan Heights, which Israel seized from Syria in 1967, as an integral part of Israel after what he said was a five-minute conversation with David Friedman, his ambassador there.

He also polled the room if they liked Friedman.
“So I did Golan Heights. You know that’s worth $2 trillion, they said, that piece, if you put it in real estate terms. But it’s worth more than that. It is,” Trump said, according to donors present.
Israel, Trump argued, needs his help. Street demonstrations for Israel get smaller crowds than his rallies, he said. In Washington, and particularly in Congress, “Israel is losing its power,” he added. “It’s incredible.”

The former president repeatedly expressed frustration that Jewish Americans did not vote for him as much as he believes they should, the donors said.
“But how can a Jewish person vote for a Democrat, and Biden in particular — but forget Biden. They always let you down,” he said, referring to Democrats.

Trump has made similar comments in public, occasionally triggering backlash. Some Jewish Americans have said that his rhetoric evokes the antisemitic idea that American Jews are more loyal to their religion or to Israel than to the United States.

Several influential Republican donors, including Miriam Adelson, have pressed Trump to publicly express support not only for Israel but also for Netanyahu, its embattled leader.

Trump never mentioned Netanyahu at the roundtable. But he has frequently complained about Netanyahu in public — particularly after the Israeli prime minister acknowledged Biden’s victory in the 2020 election even as Trump was still fiercely challenging the results.

“Bibi Netanyahu rightfully has been criticized for what took place on October 7,” Trump told Time, referring to the Israeli government’s failure to prevent the surprise attack, in which Hamas militants killed about 1,200 Israelis and took 253 hostage. He also recalled that he had “a bad experience with Bibi,” claiming that Israel had planned to participate in the 2020 U.S. strike that killed Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani but backed out at the last minute.

Trump’s annoyance with Netanyahu dates to his time in the White House and his frustration that he felt he did not get enough credit for what he did for Israel and its leader when he was in office, John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser, said in an interview.

“He doesn’t like Netanyahu … it’s because Bibi is one of the premier democratic politicians in the world in terms of getting publicity about himself and Trump resents that,” said Bolton, a frequent Trump critic. “Trump fundamentally sees Netanyahu as getting credit for things Trump thinks he ought to get credit for.”


Until the 2020 election, the two leaders had a close working relationship, according to one person familiar with their relationship, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the leaders’ private conversations. But Trump was “taken aback” by a video Netanyahu made congratulating Biden on his victory. Trump, this person said, thought the video was a “little too cordial.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a Trump ally and sometimes critic, didn’t directly address Trump’s comments about Israel when asked about them in an interview. But he offered a broad assessment.

“We can have our opinions about our allies but I think they’re in the middle of a fight for their life, there’ll be plenty of time for the accountability to be had,” he said. “The best route to deliver that accountability will be the Israeli people.”

Trump and Netanyahu’s relationship will “continue to prosper and flourish” if they’re both in office at the same time again, Matthew Brooks, chief executive of the Republican Jewish Coalition, said in an interview.
“He’s giving the Israelis a blank check to go in and do what they need to do to destroy Hamas and eliminate the threat in Gaza from Hamas. And what he’s also saying, which is actually true, he said ‘but do it quickly’ because time is not Israel’s ally right now,” Brooks said.

“President Biden stands against antisemitism and is committed to the safety of the Jewish community, and security of Israel. Donald Trump does not,” James Singer, a spokesman for the Biden campaign, said in a statement earlier this month.

Top Trump allies recently visited Israel for meetings with Netanyahu and other officials in a delegation headed by Robert O’Brien, another of Trump’s former White House national security advisers. The trip was organized by the pro-Israel American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and the group did not come bearing messages from Trump or speaking on behalf of the Trump administration, said Ed McMullen, who served as U.S. ambassador to Switzerland under the Trump administration.

The group watched gruesome footage of the Oct. 7 attack and toured parts of the country where Israelis had been killed or kidnapped, making for an “educational visit that was life-changing,” McMullen said. The group is likely to debrief Trump on the trip at some point, he added.

At the donor roundtable, Trump said he had studied Jewish history and had thoughts about this moment in U.S. history.

“And you know, you go back through history, this is like just before the Holocaust. I swear. If you look, it’s the same thing,” Trump said. “You had a weak president or head of the country. And it just built and built. And then, all of a sudden, you ended up with Hitler. You ended up with a problem like nobody knew.”

 

[Brother Nature]

“And you know, you go back through history, this is like just before the Holocaust. I swear. If you look, it’s the same thing,” Trump said. “You had a weak president or head of the country. And it just built and built. And then, all of a sudden, you ended up with Hitler. You ended up with a problem like nobody knew.”

Yeah... no shit... That's a foreboding quote if I've ever read one...

 

[Cannavore]

Since you don't believe there's a left wing party in this country...or left wing politics for that matter...then wouldn't that make libertarians the moderates?

no

 

[armedoldhippy]

“And you know, you go back through history, this is like just before the Holocaust. I swear. If you look, it’s the same thing,” Trump said. “You had a weak president or head of the country. And it just built and built. And then, all of a sudden, you ended up with Hitler. You ended up with a problem like nobody knew.”

Yeah... no shit... That's a foreboding quote if I've ever read one...

reality bites...repeatedly. "those who do not learn from history etc etc etc..."

 

[Zeez]

Closing arguments today on 34 felony charges.
Tough to believe New Yorkers will let him skate on all charges.

#BurnTheOrangeWitch

 

[Cannavore]

lol

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/28/democrats-freakout-over-biden-00160047

“Donors ask me on an hourly basis about what I think,” the adviser said, calling it “so much easier to show them, so while they read it, I can pour a drink.”

The adviser added, “The list of why we ‘could’ win is so small I don’t even need to keep the list on my phone.”

lol

 

[GenghisKush]

“And you know, you go back through history, this is like just before the Holocaust. I swear. If you look, it’s the same thing,” Trump said. “You had a weak president or head of the country. And it just built and built. And then, all of a sudden, you ended up with Hitler. You ended up with a problem like nobody knew.”

Yeah... no shit... That's a foreboding quote if I've ever read one...

Yeah, I sure picked the wrong day to watch the recent (2024) film, Civil War. I hated it. It is far too optimistic a vision of what civil war might be. 'vore might enjoy it.

Speaking of visions of heads of state dying, besieged: this excerpt is from an article published in 1990 by Vanity Fair magazine.

Although Fred Trump was born in New Jersey, family members say he felt compelled to hide his German background because most of his tenants were Jewish. “After the war, he thought that Jews would never rent from him if they knew his lineage,” Ivana reportedly said. Certainly, Fred Trump’s camouflage could easily convey to a child the impression that in business anything goes. When I asked Donald Trump about this, he was evasive: “Actually, it was very difficult. My father was not German; my father’s parents were German . . . Swedish, and really sort of all over Europe . . . and I was even thinking in the second edition of putting more emphasis on other places because I was getting so many letters from Sweden: Would I come over and speak to Parliament? Would I come meet with the president?”

Donald Trump appears to take aspects of his German background seriously. John Walter works for the Trump Organization, and when he visits Donald in his office, Ivana told a friend, he clicks his heels and says, “Heil Hitler,” possibly as a family joke.

Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

“Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

“I don’t remember,” I said.

“Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”)

Later, Trump returned to this subject. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

Also from the same article, again, published in 1990.

“Donald is a believer in the big-lie theory,” his lawyer had told me. “If you say something again and again, people will believe you.”

“One of my lawyers said that?” Trump said when I asked him about it. “I think if one of my lawyers said that, I’d like to know who it is, because I’d fire his ass. I’d like to find out who the scumbag is!”

 

[Cannavore]

Bro's so unpopular and unwell they aren't even going to have a convention looool

 

[audiohi]

Bro's so unpopular and unwell they aren't even going to have a convention looool

to be fair in this instance.....

it's because after the Supreme Court ruled that states can't keep someone off the ballot, Ohio is planning on keeping biden off the ballot.

DEVELOPING: Joe Biden May Have Trouble Getting on Ohio 2024 Ballot​

JUST IN: Ohio Secretary of State Threatens to Exclude Biden from Ballot if DNC Fails to Comply with State Nomination Laws​

you left this part out.... wonder why

"In the note, LaRose goes on to say that the oversight can be rectified in two ways: either by the Democratic Party moving up its nominating convention or by getting the Ohio state legislature to “create an exemption to this statutory requirement” by May 9 in accordance with state law."

 

[armedoldhippy]

"i'd like to find out who the scumbag is !" all he has to do is look in the mirror. this isn't rocket science...