2024 US Presidential Election

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[Brother Nature]

+1, good call. How long has the U.S been in peace time since 1776?

It seems as of late the dems have adopted the term democracy as yet a another division and propaganda tactic. I.e. Mr "Boogeyman" over there wants to destroy our democracy (even though the U.S is a constitutional republic).

All they need to do then is send the word out over the mockingbird media and place trump as the boogeyman, then what do we have within a very short time frame? Two attempts on his life.

Weird way to twist what I said into your own political narrative, one has nothing to do with the other.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Weird way to twist what I said into your own political narrative, one has nothing to do with the other.

That's just a sock puppet of a member...

Allegedly.

But it is suspicious how twisted they get the fact that both sides of the aisle vote for war....

Or the fact that they try to paint division and propaganda as a leftist invention.

I believe we all still have a memory.

 

[audiohi]

You can’t overwhelm and occupy a nuclear power. They’ll literally blow up the world.

Delusions grandeur

It is not so much of a dream scenario but a probable response to escalation on part of the collective west. Tactical or non-strategic nuclear weapons concern the purpose of how they are to be used in the theatre of operations. Their deployment into conventional russian strike forces is probably happening already as we speak.

From what I heared the jury is still out regarding long range strikes?

I wonder why

 

[shiva82]

That's just a sock puppet of a member...

Allegedly.

But it is suspicious how twisted they get the fact that both sides of the aisle vote for war....

Or the fact that they try to paint division and propaganda as a leftist invention.

I believe we all still have a memory.

who are you referring to as " they" ?

have you been up drinking again , shagging the toaster again and sending it flowers in the morning?

 

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and yesterday, in addition to the 30,000 tons of munitions lost at the toropets facility, two other munitions storage facilities were hit. one in krasnodar district. it is estimated that another 20,000 tons of munitions were destroyed in these two attacks.

so, we have a total of approximately 50,000 tons of weaponry destroyed and the estimated total annual russian production is approximately 30,000 tons.

these ammo storage facilities were major logistical hubs that stored iskander and tochka2 ballistic missiles, gliding bombs, and hundreds of thousands of rounds of artillery shells.

the facility in krasnodar was also storing north korean missiles.

spectacular firewoeks displays!

 

[greyfader]

+1, good call. How long has the U.S been in peace time since 1776?

It seems as of late the dems have adopted the term democracy as yet a another division and propaganda tactic. I.e. Mr "Boogeyman" over there wants to destroy our democracy (even though the U.S is a constitutional republic).

All they need to do then is send the word out over the mockingbird media and place trump as the boogeyman, then what do we have within a very short time frame? Two attempts on his life.

i guess it couldn't have been trumps own rhetoric that triggered the attacks? his divisive, hate-filled, racist, misogynistic rhetoric?

the US is a democratic constitutional republic but how would you know, being from another country?

you join on wednesday, have 11 posts, 9 of them in the political area, one in the cannabis breeders section, and your use of the language shows that you are not an american. and, the way you structure the language is eerily familiar, as if you've been here before under a different handle.

i wonder if the ip address would match another members account?

 

[armedoldhippy]

Weird way to twist what I said into your own political narrative, one has nothing to do with the other.

That's just a sock puppet of a member...

Allegedly.

But it is suspicious how twisted they get the fact that both sides of the aisle vote for war....

Or the fact that they try to paint division and propaganda as a leftist invention.

I believe we all still have a memory.

yup.

 

[greyfader]

yup.

i guess when you're a pro-russian america hating seed vendor you need another handle so you don't mess with your seed business!

 

[xtsho]

Too funny. trump is a disgrace. He's laughed at across the world.

 

[audiohi]

VOTE OR DIE

 

[RobFromTX]

And good ole al sharptons there. quite fitting

 

[audiohi]

Where's Russel Simmons been hiding?

 

[moose eater]

i guess it couldn't have been trumps own rhetoric that triggered the attacks? his divisive, hate-filled, racist, misogynistic rhetoric?

the US is a democratic constitutional republic but how would you know, being from another country?

you join on wednesday, have 11 posts, 9 of them in the political area, one in the cannabis breeders section, and your use of the language shows that you are not an american. and, the way you structure the language is eerily familiar, as if you've been here before under a different handle.

i wonder if the ip address would match another members account?

I look at foreign interests in our elections a bit differently.

We have umpteen military bases around the world (70-some, the last I checked, not including 'covert bases' that aren't necessarily all that 'covert' anymore), often regardless of how the Commoners in those locations feel about that.

We police the world, whether within our authority to do so or not. All the while expressing transparently our double standards and hypocrisy.

And through military and economic realities (kinder words or euphemisms than deserved) we affect or influence much of the world.

Thereby legitimizing others' (from elsewhere) interest in our ongoing cluster-fuck of supposed 'leadership'.
Even if or when those opinions are less than straightforward (something few in the US really have too much room to complain about), or intellectually dishonest (*See previous parenthesized comment about standings).

 

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russian readiness at it's finest! a sarmat-28 intercontinental ballistic missile blew up in the silo during a test yeasterday!

 

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I look at foreign interests in our elections a bit differently.

We have umpteen military bases around the world, often regardless of how the Commoners in those locations feel about that.

We police the world, whether within our authority to do so or not. All the while expressing transparently our double standards and hypocrisy.

And through military and economic realities (kinder words or euphemisms than deserved) we affect or influence much of the world.

Thereby legitimizing others' (from elsewhere) interest in our ongoing cluster-fuck of supposed 'leadership'.
Even if or when those opinions are less than straightforward (something few in the US really have too much room to complain about), or intellectually dishonest (*See previous parenthesized comment about standings).

i don't look at all foreign interests comments the same way. i don't even view the negative ones all that harshly. it's just a few select ones that comment here on icmag that i find find highly repugnant!

we are all different in our thinking. each individual comes to their own conclusions and i respect that, in general.

but we have some foreign players on here that want to portray all americans as evil. you and i know this is not true.

we were left by default as the only real superpower in the world. we have used that power for both good and evil. but this is because of our leaders, not because of the sentiment of the people at large.

i deeply resent anyone telling me i'm evil because i still love my country.

and that's the type of foreign players we are dealing with here on icmag.

i am split on issues like most people. no one is all one way or the other. we are blended in our opinions by our unique backgrounds and experiences.

i am very much anti-israel but not anti-jew. i think we should cut funding for israel. the palestinians need their own nation.

however, i am very much pro-ukraine and anti-russia and think helping ukraine with all of our resources is the right thing to do.

russia cannot be allowed to invade and take back the former soviet republics simply because those republics don't want to be part of russia anymore. it's their decision to be independent nations and they have been for over 32 years.

so, i like some of the foreign commentators on this thread, although i don't agree with everything they say. i still respect them.

but there are a few on here that i would enjoy a few minutes alone with in the deep woods somewhere with no witnesses.

 

[moose eater]

i don't look at all foreign interests comments the same way. i don't even view the negative ones all that harshly. it's just a few select ones that comment here on icmag that i find find highly repugnant!

we are all different in our thinking. each individual comes to their own conclusions and i respect that, in general.

but we have some foreign players on here that want to portray all americans as evil. you and i know this is not true.

we were left by default as the only real superpower in the world. we have used that power for both good and evil. but this is because of our leaders, not because of the sentiment of the people at large.

i deeply resent anyone telling me i'm evil because i still love my country.

and that's the type of foreign players we are dealing with here on icmag.

i am split on issues like most people. no one is all one way or the other. we are blended in our opinions by our unique backgrounds and experiences.

i am very much anti-israel but not anti-jew. i think we should cut funding for israel. the palestinians need their own nation.

however, i am very much pro-ukraine and anti-russia and think helping ukraine with all of our resources is the right thing to do.

russia cannot be allowed to invade and take back the former soviet republics simply because those republics don't want to be part of russia anymore. it's their decision to be independent nations and they have been for over 32 years.

so, i like some of the foreign commentators on this thread, although i don't agree with everything they say. i still respect them.

but there are a few on here that i would enjoy a few minutes alone with in the deep woods somewhere with no witnesses.

I don't know that we were left to our status as superpower by default. There was a LOT of economic gerrymandering and work with the Middle East to isolate Russia in trying, purposefully, to devastate their economy.

That was behind-the-scenes State Dept. nonsense, as it usually is (*Alphabet Soup agencies have far too much autonomy since WWII and the OSS, now CIA/NSA/Etc.

While there was good reason to reject Stalin's approach to life, the fact is that we've spent decades trying to discredit the assistance they gave in WWII, without which we'd have been up the creek with no propulsion devices. In nearly any circumstance, failing to acknowledge people who've saved one's bacon is at least bad protocol and manners, and at worst, beginnings or re-beginnings of bad blood.

America is a superpower because that's what American leadership (and their handlers) wanted to rig.

I've had friends and acquaintances travel abroad, including mostly peaceful places like then-Northern India and Nepal in the 70s and 80s, who sewed Canadian flags on their packs for their own safety.

There are sufficient numbers of people in the world who either generalize one's citizenship as representing their ideology and political views, or, worse yet, still believe in the bullshit and pablum about the US government representing the citizens, visa vis "by, for and of the people' nonsense, which died long ago in the earliest phases of corporatism, when the MIC and their rewarded lackeys in Congress/Oval Office took up their hand-puppet roles with the twisted bastards.

Trust me, there's more than a bit of irony when I travel abroad and am assumed by generalists and mental midgets/imbecile nationalists of another stripe to be "ONE OF THEM!!!"

Yes, some people are idiots and overly presumptuous on nearly any continent.

Few wear the pins of imbecilic nationalism to the degree many mental munchkins in the US do ... Bold and ignorant claims of "The biggest, the best, ahead of all the rest' nonsense, telling me that those who are spewing such nonsense either haven't traveled abroad much, or if they did, it was in a military uniform and carrying an M4, after which they ask idiotic questions like, "How come they resent us?" Answering their own nonsensical questions with pro-nationalist programming with bullshit like "They hate us for our freedoms." A statement wherein GW truly paraded his depth of ignorance.

A guy can't even -BUY- that kind of blindness and toxicity for a $million!!

The more we think we can buy whatever we want, and act as we please around the world, the more we'll find ourselves isolated.

Such as Pakistan recently offering China dibs on a port, for example..

Our hubris will likely eventually kill us, and we may, by then, deserve just that, for our puffed chests, heads full of fluff and mostly hollow nationalist nonsense.

I'm off to transfer another 168 gallons of #1 heating oil, douche out a couple new-to-me 55-gallon drums that I suspect one might have a leak of some sort, and then onto swapping snow tires on rims for the current summer tires on rims in the muddy-as-fuck driveway. Then onto 2 remaining rows of Yellow Finn potatoes and a passel of original Scarlet Nantes carrots, among other things... while my older female German shepherd expresses her dismay that I haven't shared my traditional-style sockeye salmon strip skins with her..

Sun's out; time to make proverbial hay.

 

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I don't know that we were left to our status as superpower by default. There was a LOT of economic gerrymandering and work with the Middle East to isolate Russia in trying, purposefully, to devastate their economy.

That was behind-the-scenes State Dept. nonsense, as it usually is (*Alphabet Soup agencies have far too much autonomy since WWII and the OSS, now CIA/NSA/Etc.

While there was good reason to reject Stalin's approach to life, the fact is that we've spent decades trying to discredit the assistance they gave in WWII, without which we'd have been up the creek with no propulsion devices. In nearly any circumstance, failing to acknowledge people who've saved one's bacon is at least bad protocol and manners, and at worst, beginnings or re-beginnings of bad blood.

America is a superpower because that's what American leadership (and their handlers) wanted to rig.

I've had friends and acquaintances travel abroad, including mostly peaceful places like then-Northern India and Nepal in the 70s and 80s, who sewed Canadian flags on their packs for their own safety.

There are sufficient numbers of people in the world who either generalize one's citizenship as representing their ideology and political views, or, worse yet, still believe in the bullshit and pablum about the US government representing the citizens, visa vis "by, for and of the people' nonsense, which died long ago in the earliest phases of corporatism, when the MIC and their rewarded lackeys in Congress/Oval Office took up their hand-puppet roles with the twisted bastards.

Trust me, there's more than a bit of irony when I travel abroad and am assumed by generalists and mental midgets/imbecile nationalists of another stripe to be "ONE OF THEM!!!"

Yes, some people are idiots and overly presumptuous on nearly any continent.

Few wear the pins of imbecilic nationalism to the degree many mental munchkins in the US do ... Bold and ignorant claims of "The biggest, the best, ahead of all the rest' nonsense, telling me that those who are spewing such nonsense either haven't traveled abroad much, or if they did, it was in a military uniform and carrying an M4, after which they ask idiotic questions like, "How come they resent us?" Answering their own nonsensical questions with pro-nationalist programming with bullshit like "They hate us for our freedoms." A statement wherein GW truly paraded his depth of ignorance.

A guy can't even -BUY- that kind of blindness and toxicity for a $million!!

The more we think we can buy whatever we want, and act as we please around the world, the more we'll find ourselves isolated.

Such as Pakistan recently offering China dibs on a port, for example..

Our hubris will likely eventually kill us, and we may, by then, deserve just that, for our puffed chests, heads full of fluff and mostly hollow nationalist nonsense.

I'm off to transfer another 168 gallons of #1 heating oil, douche out a couple new-to-me 55-gallon drums that I suspect one might have a leak of some sort, and then onto swapping snow tires on rims for the current summer tires on rims in the muddy-as-fuck driveway. Then onto 2 remaining rows of Yellow Finn potatoes and a passel of original Scarlet Nantes carrots, among other things... while my older female German shepherd expresses her dismay that I haven't shared my traditional-style sockeye salmon strip skins with her..

Sun's out; time to make proverbial hay.

do you find it odd that the US intentionally used economic pressure to diminish a powerful enemy that was intent on destroying us?

i think it was a smarter way to do it than warfare.

i agree that the russians as allies in ww2 carried more weight defeating nazi germany than we did. but we carried most of the weight defeating japan. it was a world-wide effort and each country paid a price for victory.

the main problem with russia was their openly stated goal of destroying the west during the cold war.

remember nikita khruschev?

i don't believe in the "my country is the greatest in the world" bullshit. every nation has it's faults and problems. i think to the extent that no one country can say that they are the greatest.

all countries are run by humans and subject to the weaknesses of human nature. maybe if we all were more honest and caring about the suffering in the world and used less subterfuge and manipulation the world would be a better place.

unfortunately, we don't seem to be able to get out of the "whom did what to whom first and must be avenged stage". leaders acting as if they are petulant children. full of ego and overblown self-importance.

it's time for the human race to grow up and behave like responsible adults.

wow, you go through a lot to prepare for winter up there. all i do is buy a sweater. it rarely gets below freezing here in the heart of dixie. we see a little snow every few years or so.

 

[dramamine]

do you find it odd that the US intentionally used economic pressure to diminish a powerful enemy that was intent on destroying us?

i think it was a smarter way to do it than warfare.

i agree that the russians as allies in ww2 carried more weight defeating nazi germany than we did. but we carried most of the weight defeating japan. it was a world-wide effort and each country paid a price for victory.

the main problem with russia was their openly stated goal of destroying the west during the cold war.

remember nikita khruschev?

i don't believe in the "my country is the greatest in the world" bullshit. every nation has it's faults and problems. i think to the extent that no one country can say that they are the greatest.

all countries are run by humans and subject to the weaknesses of human nature. maybe if we all were more honest and caring about the suffering in the world and used less subterfuge and manipulation the world would be a better place.

unfortunately, we don't seem to be able to get out of the "whom did what to whom first and must be avenged stage". leaders acting as if they are petulant children. full of ego and overblown self-importance.

it's time for the human race to grow up and behave like responsible adults.

wow, you go through a lot to prepare for winter up there. all i do is buy a sweater. it rarely gets below freezing here in the heart of dixie. we see a little snow every few years or so.

Krhuschev was referring to economic systems with his famous statement, i.e. capitalism vs. socialism/communism. His point was that capitalism is an ouroboros, it will destroy itself (George Clinton had the same point with his album title "America Eats It's Young"). Hence, his "We will bury you". It was excitedly taken out of context, as you've done here, and used to convince Americans that Russia was coming to get them. Go back and read his whole statement, if you haven't.
Russia became our enemy because of the people's movement of socialism that was sweeping across Europe at the time, much to the consternation of the imperialists.

 

[moose eater]

do you find it odd that the US intentionally used economic pressure to diminish a powerful enemy that was intent on destroying us?

i think it was a smarter way to do it than warfare.

i agree that the russians as allies in ww2 carried more weight defeating nazi germany than we did. but we carried most of the weight defeating japan. it was a world-wide effort and each country paid a price for victory.

the main problem with russia was their openly stated goal of destroying the west during the cold war.

remember nikita khruschev?

i don't believe in the "my country is the greatest in the world" bullshit. every nation has it's faults and problems. i think to the extent that no one country can say that they are the greatest.

all countries are run by humans and subject to the weaknesses of human nature. maybe if we all were more honest and caring about the suffering in the world and used less subterfuge and manipulation the world would be a better place.

unfortunately, we don't seem to be able to get out of the "whom did what to whom first and must be avenged stage". leaders acting as if they are petulant children. full of ego and overblown self-importance.

it's time for the human race to grow up and behave like responsible adults.

wow, you go through a lot to prepare for winter up there. all i do is buy a sweater. it rarely gets below freezing here in the heart of dixie. we see a little snow every few years or so.

The economic gerrymandering I was referring to was a lot more recent than the Cold War and involved back-room agreements between the US and Saudis, et al, to create an oil glut, knowing that Russia's primary economy, like Alaska's, at that time, was oil.

I didn't perceive Russia at that point as 'being out to destroy us.'

I believe that seaports, oil and natural gas in various locations were a part of the sought after prize, and 'we' were willing to passively break places like Alaska (as collateral damage) with that glut, in order to deliver economic carnage to Russia.

We're talking, off the top of my head, 10 to 20+ years ago. Long after the Cold War. During which time the CIA, et al was also still in Ukraine making moves there with our preferred puppet government and helping them to bomb their own people who resisted the changes.

Ukraine offers seaports, as well as the charted route is nearby for the oil line that was going to come out of Russia to the west.

dealing with who started what is a basis for a legal addressing of problems, as it defines one party as a defender and one as an offender, in simpler narratives, which in any court is an important distinction, just as it is in Gaza at the moment. A distinction that some/many choose to overlook... for whatever purposes, and not all of it intellectually honest.

Never mind, for example, that on Gaza's side of the shore, there's an estimated 1 to 3 trillion cubic ft. of natural gas that the Zionists are already making plans for how to develop and spend the stolen proceeds.

Who started what and for which purposes will always be significant legal questions, whether in domestic courts of law, or international courts of law.

Perpetrators would love for that important distinction to go away, but it will not. I -hope- it never will. War is not typically a 'no-fault' industry, any more than plotting to steal another's resources is. And 'rights of conquest' has been illegal for a long time. It is, in fact, a basis for modern civilized international law. Otherwise, the superpowers would be free to steal any country's resources they like, and there'd be no consequences.

Admittedly, some of them (wink, wink, nod, nod) are already prone to turning a blind eye to mercenaries hired by corporations friendly to some governments, where taking property and rights and committing opportunistic mass murder is concerned. I believe some folks, hired guns, just got popped in Central America for that very offense.

Edit: Yes, we do a lot to get ready for winter. I have a super-insulated 6-star energy-rated home, but not fancy. Just VERY warm, and it only burns maybe 550 to 700 US gallons of #1 home heating oil in a 12-month period for both heat and domestic hot water, depending on the winter.

I intend to keep close to 1,000 US gallons on hand for my wife in the event of my impending demise, which allows her 1.5 years on average worth of fuel oil. And even then, my older son might not be willing or able to attend to transferring fuel when needed without planning ahead, so I like to keep it stocked up going into winter.

But trying lately to get snow tires put on (each fall) and summer tires (in the spring) all of which are on their own rims (2 sets of tires and rims each, minimum, per 4 vehicles), and making sure that we can minimize running 30-gallon poly-drums (they actually hold closer to 32.5 to 33 gallons) on freight sleds to the barn with snowmobiles in the winter (especially with my spine and energy levels being fucked lately), and harvesting the veggie gardens and potato field during any given Fall, let alone one where we got cheated out of a decent summer, so balancing allowing maximum time ion the ground, with trying not to waste the effort by getting hit by a serious frost, makes for a mad rush at the end of summer.

And October is the month that I crawl up an extension ladder on the top floor (three) bedrooms (13'6" ceilings up there) to put fresh backup batteries into the hard-wired smoke/CO detectors, as well as replacing the filters in the air handler in the basement, cleaning out the energy-efficient dryer vent in the basement (8 vertical feet of fire hazard inside the wall down there) that hasn't been done in ~2 years now, and thoroughly disassembling and CLEANING (thoroughly) the HRV and core, including 2 larger squirrel cage fans and motors in there, to keep the air-exchanges adequate should I find I have physical energy and motivation to plant another crop (something I've not done in 2 years+ now, though I still have literal pounds sealed in the freezer).

But this year, I might be going in for another spine surgery in about 5 weeks, so ALL of this shit has to be done before I become at least temporarily more disabled. And hopefully the snow stays away long enough for me to get back my core strength, post-op, (if the surgery happens) to be able to run the track-drive snowblower on a 230'-long driveway with massive parking and turn-around areas.

In short, I may be getting too fucking old and decrepit to own and maintain an energy-efficient home in the woods in the sub-arctic. And, unfortunately, I'm not sure that any of my three adult children deserve to have this place gifted to them, likely wouldn't appreciate (truly) what we accomplished and built here and would likely let it deteriorate.

So, we're elderly 'Klingons'. Clinging on to something that was a dream, is relatively cheap to operate for an arctic home, and comes with a custom-built, super insulated grow shop in the basement, which once saved this place for us when I was blacklisted informally, and would've lost it, had it not been for ganja and a business-minded attitude toward continuing to continue on...

Wanna' buy a WARM house on rural acreage?