2024 US Presidential Election

[moose eater]

Is fascism really that bad? Hitler brought that country from the bottom of the barrel to the baddest fuckin country in the world. It was great, of course the wars and killing Jews was bad, but if they remained peaceful it would have been sick. America first!! As long as we don't kill Jews or fags or leftist douchebags. Lol

Hitler unified a bankrupted Germany via Nationalism/Fascism, the likes of which you now support.

And when he offed himself, Germany was even more bankrupt, but with a new lesser endearing reputation.

I advise against that path, regardless of romanticized retrospectives that have serious gaps in them.

Like Trump in some ways (and other Presidents who seemingly believe they can unilaterally set policy through such means), he seemed to believe that he could do whatever he wished through mandates (*or our modern version of Executive Orders) and thought he could muster public support via the divide-and-conquer methods of those who gather their troops by amplifying hate over non-issues... Somewhat like today...

None of us lives in a vacuum. Those who think we do find themselves in dire need of others sooner than not.

Live by blindness, greed, selfishness, and arms, die by ..... the same.

 

[RickLafleur]

Is fascism really that bad? Hitler brought that country from the bottom of the barrel to the baddest fuckin country in the world. It was great, of course the wars and killing Jews was bad, but if they remained peaceful it would have been sick. America first!! As long as we don't kill Jews or fags or leftist douchebags. Lol

Is fascism really that bad?

Unreal. You read shit like this and you begin to wonder if the fucking madness will ever end.

 

[Zeez]

That's fucking nuts.

 

[igrowone]

Is fascism really that bad?

Unreal. You read shit like this and you begin to wonder if the fucking madness will ever end.

this is why it won't be a bad thing when the AIs take over

 

[EastCoastGambit]

Well most forms of power come with some un-pleasantries. As a leader you sometimes have to hurt the few for the good of the many. It isn't easy to be a star as your every word and opinion is scrutinized. To have any form of government and nation you will probably break a few eggs. To be a politician will you inevitably be pulled into corruption, blackmail, etc?

While Che and Castro believed their ideas were righteous, in order to fulfill them they eliminated those who had ideas ideas to the contrary.

Is Fascism all that different from blind patriotism? The American flag is taking on new meaning as factions of citizens have labeled themselves the "real" Americans or so call "patriots" 95% of these folks believe they stand for the constitution but in all essence are quite ignorant regarding the framers and the ideas that shaped the founding of the US.

We need history, education, and awareness more than ever. Most things are not cut and dry-and there are numerous lenses and perspectives to all of history's happenings.

Just like before, there is a large group of nationalists here looking to align with the growing global populist movement including Hungary, Poland, Brazil, and Italy.

While I am liberal I do agree with securing the border, and in theory America 1st. That said, America has not been 1st for a long ass time, we have sold out to the point that it feels impossible to restructure. It should be community 1st. How can we support thriving local communities? How can we get back to basics? I struggle with the fact that it feels impossible to make an honest living, almost every field of work or trade seems to at least somewhat hurtful to the planet, and usually screws some group of people over to maintain a personal status quo, or upper middle class income for those higher up on the economic food chain.

If you earn enough $ you can purchase goods with equality and sustainability in mind, but most everyday folks realistically cannot afford to do so.

Americans prey upon each other, cannibalize each other, commoditize each other. We instill insecurity in each other to sell products and services. We promote ignorance and misinformation. How can we ever be America 1st when this is our culture and our actions? Unless your American values are kill or be killed, survival of the greediest.

There has to be a better way. I was hoping for a spiritual revolution, but all I can do is work on myself.

 

[moose eater]

Well most forms of power come with some un-pleasantries. As a leader you sometimes have to hurt the few for the good of the many. It isn't easy to be a star as your every word and opinion is scrutinized. To have any form of government and nation you will probably break a few eggs. To be a politician will you inevitably be pulled into corruption, blackmail, etc?

While Che and Castro believed their ideas were righteous, in order to fulfill them they eliminated those who had ideas ideas to the contrary.

Is Fascism all that different from blind patriotism? The American flag is taking on new meaning as factions of citizens have labeled themselves the "real" Americans or so call "patriots" 95% of these folks believe they stand for the constitution but in all essence are quite ignorant regarding the framers and the ideas that shaped the founding of the US.

We need history, education, and awareness more than ever. Most things are not cut and dry-and there are numerous lenses and perspectives to all of history's happenings.

Just like before, there is a large group of nationalists here looking to align with the growing global populist movement including Hungary, Poland, Brazil, and Italy.

While I am liberal I do agree with securing the border, and in theory America 1st. That said, America has not been 1st for a long ass time, we have sold out to the point that it feels impossible to restructure. It should be community 1st. How can we support thriving local communities? How can we get back to basics? I struggle with the fact that it feels impossible to make an honest living, almost every field of work or trade seems to at least somewhat hurtful to the planet, and usually screws some group of people over to maintain a personal status quo, or upper middle class income for those higher up on the economic food chain.

If you earn enough $ you can purchase goods with equality and sustainability in mind, but most everyday folks realistically cannot afford to do so.

Americans prey upon each other, cannibalize each other, commoditize each other. We instill insecurity in each other to sell products and services. We promote ignorance and misinformation. How can we ever be America 1st when this is our culture and our actions? Unless your American values are kill or be killed, survival of the greediest.

There has to be a better way. I was hoping for a spiritual revolution, but all I can do is work on myself.

Ray Metcalfe in Anchorage, Ak., former State legislator and fellow activist for a long time now, had a proposal for anti-corruption legislation that criminalized ANY betterment of a political official, their family members, clubs of affiliation, etc. resulting from any legislation they sponsored or voted for. Would've made it a felony.

Neither primary political group (D's and R's) in Alaska would support it.

They wanted 'the other guy's' advantages or corruption quashed, but wanted theirs to be left alone.

And therein lies the problem.

The bottom line is a measurement or accounting of who these hacks trying to pass themselves off as 'statesmen' really represent.

And until someone somehow isolates government from such self-serving scumbags and removes the perks and cash from the game, that's where it'll remain.

 

[Zeez]

Well most forms of power come with some un-pleasantries. As a leader you sometimes have to hurt the few for the good of the many. It isn't easy to be a star as your every word and opinion is scrutinized. To have any form of government and nation you will probably break a few eggs. To be a politician will you inevitably be pulled into corruption, blackmail, etc?

While Che and Castro believed their ideas were righteous, in order to fulfill them they eliminated those who had ideas ideas to the contrary.

Is Fascism all that different from blind patriotism? The American flag is taking on new meaning as factions of citizens have labeled themselves the "real" Americans or so call "patriots" 95% of these folks believe they stand for the constitution but in all essence are quite ignorant regarding the framers and the ideas that shaped the founding of the US.

We need history, education, and awareness more than ever. Most things are not cut and dry-and there are numerous lenses and perspectives to all of history's happenings.

Just like before, there is a large group of nationalists here looking to align with the growing global populist movement including Hungary, Poland, Brazil, and Italy.

While I am liberal I do agree with securing the border, and in theory America 1st. That said, America has not been 1st for a long ass time, we have sold out to the point that it feels impossible to restructure. It should be community 1st. How can we support thriving local communities? How can we get back to basics? I struggle with the fact that it feels impossible to make an honest living, almost every field of work or trade seems to at least somewhat hurtful to the planet, and usually screws some group of people over to maintain a personal status quo, or upper middle class income for those higher up on the economic food chain.

If you earn enough $ you can purchase goods with equality and sustainability in mind, but most everyday folks realistically cannot afford to do so.

Americans prey upon each other, cannibalize each other, commoditize each other. We instill insecurity in each other to sell products and services. We promote ignorance and misinformation. How can we ever be America 1st when this is our culture and our actions? Unless your American values are kill or be killed, survival of the greediest.

There has to be a better way. I was hoping for a spiritual revolution, but all I can do is work on myself.

You are using a Patriotism as Chumpers would define it. This has nothing to do with patriotism in a classic American patriotic sense. Trying to think that real patriotism has something to do with fascism is a total misunderstanding. You should read the constitution and review the pledge of allegiance that you used to say daily. Add Lincoln's Gettysburg Address to your list and focus on phrases like "of the people by the people for the people". Make your self realize that your statement is fucked and you are hardly a liberal.

 

[igrowone]

one appealing proposal with regards to corruption was that all federally elected officials turn over all financial assets to be invested in US government securities

 

[moose eater]

Alaska oil tax cut repeal initiator files anti-corruption proposal

Targeting what he believes is corruption in the Alaska Legislature, political activist Ray Metcalfe has filed an application with the Elections Division to launch a new citizen initiative aimed at stopping lawmakers from voting on bills that help their donors, their employers and others.

www.adn.com

 

[EastCoastGambit]

You are using a Patriotism as Chumpers would define it. This has nothing to do with patriotism in a classic American patriotic sense. Trying to think that real patriotism has something to do with fascism is a total misunderstanding. You should read the constitution and review the pledge of allegiance that you used to say daily. Add Lincoln's Gettysburg Address to your list and focus on phrases like "of the people by the people for the people". Make your self realize that your statement is fucked and you are hardly a liberal.

I think you may have misinterpreted what I trying to say. I would easily admit that I understand little of "real patriotism" but I was not trying at all to equate classic patriotism to fascism. I am younger and would be the 1st to admit that I am not patriotic. What I am claiming has happened is that fascist trump patriots have hijacked patriotism in the present day. If there was that much true patriotism left than many, other than "antifa", would be calling these bozos out in person.

What I do know, is the early American leaders were not as "for the people" as they claimed. Washington wanted huge swaths of land for himself. Thomas Paine and others would shine a light on some of the hypocrisy and paid the price in doing so.

Being forced to recite the pledge of allegiance kind of kills it, to me it's just conscription and brainwashing propaganda, and by the time I was forced to recite it in the 80's any of the true meaning was long...long....gone.

The black and white newsreels they used to show before movies were in essence, to me, just a different shade of propaganda than the ones being used by our "enemies" With television and radio the population was "programmed" and very few common people really knew what was going on. We all know how truthful reefer madness is.

I know about some of the economic fuckery of WWII and how close some in the US were to siding with Hitler. How many fascists were leaders of US corporations?

With the US's checkered history, while I appreciate the deep thinking and intellectualism that founded the ideals of freedom and liberty, I cannot think to a time where I thought America was worth being proud of. What is a time period where you believe American exceptionalism really shined? The closest I can think of was the invention of the telephone, electricity, and the automobile.

 

[RickLafleur]

Well most forms of power come with some un-pleasantries. As a leader you sometimes have to hurt the few for the good of the many. It isn't easy to be a star as your every word and opinion is scrutinized. To have any form of government and nation you will probably break a few eggs. To be a politician will you inevitably be pulled into corruption, blackmail, etc?

While Che and Castro believed their ideas were righteous, in order to fulfill them they eliminated those who had ideas ideas to the contrary.

Is Fascism all that different from blind patriotism? The American flag is taking on new meaning as factions of citizens have labeled themselves the "real" Americans or so call "patriots" 95% of these folks believe they stand for the constitution but in all essence are quite ignorant regarding the framers and the ideas that shaped the founding of the US.

We need history, education, and awareness more than ever. Most things are not cut and dry-and there are numerous lenses and perspectives to all of history's happenings.

Just like before, there is a large group of nationalists here looking to align with the growing global populist movement including Hungary, Poland, Brazil, and Italy.

While I am liberal I do agree with securing the border, and in theory America 1st. That said, America has not been 1st for a long ass time, we have sold out to the point that it feels impossible to restructure. It should be community 1st. How can we support thriving local communities? How can we get back to basics? I struggle with the fact that it feels impossible to make an honest living, almost every field of work or trade seems to at least somewhat hurtful to the planet, and usually screws some group of people over to maintain a personal status quo, or upper middle class income for those higher up on the economic food chain.

If you earn enough $ you can purchase goods with equality and sustainability in mind, but most everyday folks realistically cannot afford to do so.

Americans prey upon each other, cannibalize each other, commoditize each other. We instill insecurity in each other to sell products and services. We promote ignorance and misinformation. How can we ever be America 1st when this is our culture and our actions? Unless your American values are kill or be killed, survival of the greediest.

There has to be a better way. I was hoping for a spiritual revolution, but all I can do is work on myself.

I don’t necessarily agree with you on everything, but this was a good post.

 

[RickLafleur]

You are using a Patriotism as Chumpers would define it. This has nothing to do with patriotism in a classic American patriotic sense. Trying to think that real patriotism has something to do with fascism is a total misunderstanding. You should read the constitution and review the pledge of allegiance that you used to say daily. Add Lincoln's Gettysburg Address to your list and focus on phrases like "of the people by the people for the people". Make your self realize that your statement is fucked and you are hardly a liberal.

I read the post as confusing nationalism with patriotism.

 

[greyfader]

Is fascism really that bad? Hitler brought that country from the bottom of the barrel to the baddest fuckin country in the world. It was great, of course the wars and killing Jews was bad, but if they remained peaceful it would have been sick. America first!! As long as we don't kill Jews or fags or leftist douchebags. Lol

"Hitler brought that country from the bottom of the barrel to the baddest fuckin country in the world. It was great,"

you forgot to mention that he also brought the country to complete and total devastation.

i guess fascism is not too bad if you don't mind someone telling you what to do 24/7 and then killing you if you don't do it.

maybe there is some kind of comfort to be found in not having to make any decisions anymore.

 

[EastCoastGambit]

It may have been a word salad. I will re-read it but that wasn't my intent. Since a few people had that takeaway I probably did blend too many thoughts together incoherently. My bad.

 

[moose eater]

"Hitler brought that country from the bottom of the barrel to the baddest fuckin country in the world. It was great,"

you forgot to mention that he also brought the country to complete and total devastation.

i guess fascism is not too bad if you don't mind someone telling you what to do 24/7 and then killing you if you don't do it.

maybe there is some kind of comfort to be found in not having to make any decisions anymore.

Do you see that there are degrees of fascism, just as there are degrees of democracy, socialism, etc.? And that they are often hybridized and intertwined? That 'pure' ideological systems have never really existed? (Not for long, anyway).

 

[moose eater]

this is why it won't be a bad thing when the AIs take over

Just remember that AI's are programmed and designed by humans.

 

[RickLafleur]

"Hitler brought that country from the bottom of the barrel to the baddest fuckin country in the world. It was great,"

you forgot to mention that he also brought the country to complete and total devastation.

i guess fascism is not too bad if you don't mind someone telling you what to do 24/7 and then killing you if you don't do it.

maybe there is some kind of comfort to be found in not having to make any decisions anymore.

I thought the line “if they remained peaceful it would have been sick.” showed ignorance. As if Nazis were peaceful at sometime.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Just remember that AI's are programmed and designed by humans.

Humans who want to be superior, to us peasants, arguing over which scumbag rules the world.

 

[RickLafleur]

It may have been a word salad. I will re-read it but that wasn't my intent. Since a few people had that takeaway I probably did blend too many thoughts together incoherently. My bad.

You can blame it on pot here. We all understand.

 

[EastCoastGambit]

I thought the line “if they remained peaceful it would have been sick.” showed ignorance. As if Nazis were peaceful at sometime.

My limited understanding was that Hitler was embarrassed at Germany's position post WWI and wanted to instill pride and superiority back to his nation. In some ways that sounds innocent enough and someone could potentially admire that ambition. That all said, the Brownshirt thugs roughed up and violently beat anyone suspected of opposing the fascist rule, as you said, never peaceful and never cool.