2024 State of the genepool discussion.

[gaslit_kush_co]

Breeding is a predictable science

 

[gaslit_kush_co]

RBK=Snoops OG

Good luck on your quest.

What is RBK? RainbowKush?

 

[JetLife175]

What is RBK? RainbowKush?

Ricky's Brothers Kush.

It also went by Snoops' OG in most circles. The RBK moniker was just known between growers for the longest.

First dude I ever saw with it was AJ.

 

[H e d g e]

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Educate yourself on mendel and his squares

he was working with none gmo peas.

 

[gaslit_kush_co]

Reebok OG?

 

[gaslit_kush_co]

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he was working with none gmo peas.

And he pioneered breeding plants. He was very astute

 

[gaslit_kush_co]

Ricky's Brothers Kush.

It also went by Snoops' OG in most circles. The RBK moniker was just known between growers for the longest.

First dude I ever saw with it was AJ.

I'll keep it on the radar if it's the right cut fuck I'll trade my jar of seeds for a few viable cuts

 

[H e d g e]

And he pioneered breeding plants. He was very astute

His findings don’t necessarily apply to all plants, particularly modified ones.
If modification could be selected out it would be a game changer. Clean soya is thought to no longer exist, clean cannabis won’t either the way things are going.

 

[gaslit_kush_co]

I feed my plants wormpoop, never tried soya

 

[gaslit_kush_co]

I gotta go pee then bow out of here

 

[gaslit_kush_co]

 

[Hammerhead]

Do they have a big database? Phylos is probably the biggest but all my homies hate phylos. You can still acesss their data but the galaxy is gone.

Kannapedia has a decent sized database, which also connects to the phylos data. MyfloraDNA is doing genome testing as well, but not sure how many cult8vars they have mapped.

Their website still works but no clue if there still in buisness. I've not used them since 2017.

 

[JetLife175]

Under the circumstances, we can’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Most of us are hobbyists and laymen. What you describe doing is about the best most of us can do.

I know I bang the drum about population size a lot but there is good reason for it. I’m not trying to put anyone down who can’t use many plants. I get it. But when you’re making F2s or repro’ing an old line, using as many plants as possible is just best practice.

Instead, many think they are doing something good by narrowing down the number of males and using only 1 or 2 that “pass the test.” That type of selection pressure has no place in making F2s or doing a seed increase of a line. Preservation without alleles is just breeding.

Cannabis plants can have 2 alleles at each locus/gene. These alleles represent variation. When you perform a 1:1 mating, there will only be 4 alleles at each loci. Many of the old lines people revere had plants with dozens if not hundreds of alleles. This is where the diversity and resilience of these lines came from.

My approach to making seeds, particularly for F2 or IX, is as follows:

1. Load the P1 gen with as many plants as possible.
2. Don’t cull males unnecessarily.
3. Avoid 1:1 matings for at least the first two generations.

I would offer as a suggestion to get (at least) 2 packs of a line whenever possible. Those additional seeds come in handy.


The issue isn’t that you only have 5 or 10 seeds to make more. For your purposes that’s fine.

It’s that often times all that people can find of a given line is a repro that was made by someone who only used 5-10 seeds. Over subsequent generations it’s easy to see how this becomes a problem.

Add in global access and these lesser lines can become widespread, and serve as the basis for someone’s first experience or understanding of what that line is.

This gets back to the preservation issue, and why the burden to reproduce and maintain certain varieties shouldn’t exclusively fall on hobbyists.

Until some major changes occur, that is about all that any of us can do.

This is about as good as it gets in my opinion.

Every time I get a clone that's a keeper for whatever reason that particular pheno/clone gets selfed.

If that keeper came from a line that involves both sexes an open pollination is done so I can keep as much of the pool open as possible.

I've never really done 1:1 male:female pairings myself but have always wanted to, but to be honest I don't know what the hell I am looking for in a "stud" male.

The selfing and open pollination approach gets me what I need for preservations sake.

When you mention loading the p1 with as many plants as possible what you are alluding to essentially is an open pollination right?

 

[Steve rogers]

There is no old school blood anymore. Everything is a Heinz 57. Cousins crossed with cousins. You breed with Frankenstein you get Munster babies. The old classic strains have been gone since the 90s. Ya there are some nice new glamour strains but I sure miss the classic terpenes of the 80s-90s. Real Skunk and Pine terpenes. Flavor for days. Red eye, giggle weed. Cotton mouth. That stuff is a thing of the past. And ya I've been growing since the mid to late 80s so I was around thru the Golden Era.

I just grew some sour d x bubbakush from csi and it definitely has that old school sourd terp I remember from 2005.

 

[JetLife175]

I just grew some sour d x bubbakush from csi and it definitely has that old school sourd terp I remember from 2005.

What were the phenos like on this one?

 

[Steve rogers]

What were the phenos like on this one?

I only grew two. Both similar in structure and I would guess they both leaned more sour d. One has a very distinct sour d smell. Short like bubba but longer flowering at 10 weeks. The other was similar. A Little more stretch but had a chem/funk leaning profile. The sour d profile is my favorite. I have two more and I will try them soon.

 

[Hammerhead]

RBK is not a cut you will find at a clone bank. At least not a legit cut. She is available but at a high cost or some kind of deal. The people I know who have it made deals to acquire it. I don't have the specifics of those deals.

 

[kro-magnon]

I think weed is like wine,some years are way better than others and the genetics and the climate just clicked,some of the Thai years were outstanding

It is very true for outdoor grown buds, some years produce higher quality than usual exactly like wine when the growing conditions are optimum. There is a lot of comparaison possible between cannabis and wine production, both plants are thriving in similar type of soil and this soil will have a direct influence on aromas and tastes of the flowers like it has for wine. I'd like to see some places where they produce "grand crus" making cannabis in those terroir to see what quality could come from it.
I have grown outdoor in the south west of France in a region where grapes have been cultivated for centuries, I got great results with the plants straight in the ground but it's not a grand cru terroir.
I know there is big wine industry in California as well, are they growing grapes and cannabis in the same district(soil) or is it done in different parts of the state?

 

[CocoNut 420]

Is anyone familiar with original pledge furniture polish smelling bud?
If original pledge doesn't mean anything wd40 is the closest I can think of to the smell?

I thought that was kush terps for the same reason I thought cat piss was skunk, the last time I tasted those terps i was told it kush however I'm reliably informed kush generally isn't pledge or wd40 like?

It was grown from these maybe someone will recognise something, It's not a one off the 3 females all have that terp profile to varying degrees, I wouldn't mind trying some stuff from that vein of terps can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[Dime]

I think catpiss does come from skunk, I crossed sk#1 with c99 and got catpiss