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2021 Outdoor Grow
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Tänk oxå på att offthehook odlar på 65 breddgraden. Det är i höjd med Haparanda. Imponerande… en riktig skogsmulle. Hatten av
BrownFingers
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These were the 2 Black Berry Gum moms of the above plants:
Sick looking plants, and not the bad kind of sick!
Do you get a lot of weird discoloration at lat. 65 (that isn't purely genetic)? I get some trippy-looking oddities sometimes at lat. 61-62, which I believe are environmental and not nutrient/phenotype-related.
Any experience with high altitude growing/breeding by the way? Curious to the differences, seeing as fruits/vegetables can grow and taste quite different at high altitudes.
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Thanks Parameter. This hobby has gotten me carried away a bit just, and now I donno anymore how to stop... 
BrownFingers Last year there was lots of frost during spring, even on June 20th there was still heavy night frost that killed off 90 % of the BBG siblings.
I read up on the Black Berry Gum Auto that they will turn to get a blue-ish hue if they are being exposed to cold during veg.
I seen indoor grow ups from BBG that remained all regular ass green all the way because of no cold.
This year, these plants have almost not been exposed to frost, only very little bit, so I do not expect the offspring from these to turn blue again like last year.
Also keep in mind that they have now been crossed to Up'zz, of which most will remain regular green no matter the temps, but with here and there just a few purple fenos.
So I am not yet very experienced with the Blue phenomenon, so also for me it is just wait and see what is going to happen this year with them.
No experience with high altitude growing no. Finland has no mountains or highlands, although to plots that are high up on a hill and need bringing water like crazy I do refer to them as our own towns *Highlands* lol.
This here is sea coast low land, swamps and marches mostly.
BrownFingers Last year there was lots of frost during spring, even on June 20th there was still heavy night frost that killed off 90 % of the BBG siblings.
I read up on the Black Berry Gum Auto that they will turn to get a blue-ish hue if they are being exposed to cold during veg.
I seen indoor grow ups from BBG that remained all regular ass green all the way because of no cold.
This year, these plants have almost not been exposed to frost, only very little bit, so I do not expect the offspring from these to turn blue again like last year.
Also keep in mind that they have now been crossed to Up'zz, of which most will remain regular green no matter the temps, but with here and there just a few purple fenos.
So I am not yet very experienced with the Blue phenomenon, so also for me it is just wait and see what is going to happen this year with them.
No experience with high altitude growing no. Finland has no mountains or highlands, although to plots that are high up on a hill and need bringing water like crazy I do refer to them as our own towns *Highlands* lol.
This here is sea coast low land, swamps and marches mostly.
BrownFingers
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Thanks Parameter. This hobby has gotten me carried away a bit just, and now I donno anymore how to stop...
BrownFingers Last year there was lots of frost during spring, even on June 20th there was still heavy night frost that killed off 90 % of the BBG siblings.
I read up on the Black Berry Gum Auto that they will turn to get a blue-ish hue if they are being exposed to cold during veg.
I seen indoor grow ups from BBG that remained all regular ass green all the way because of no cold.
This year, these plants have almost not been exposed to frost, only very little bit, so I do not expect the offspring from these to turn blue again like last year.
Also keep in mind that they have now been crossed to Up'zz, of which most will remain regular green no matter the temps, but with here and there just a few purple fenos.
So I am not yet very experienced with the Blue phenomenon, so also for me it is just wait and see what is going to happen this year with them.
No experience with high altitude growing no. Finland has no mountains or highlands, although to plots that are high up on a hill and need bringing water like crazy I do refer to them as our own towns *Highlands* lol.
This here is sea coast low land, swamps and marches mostly.
Jesus, frost nights on june 20th, fuck your life bruh
As far as I've understood it the phytochemicals responsible for coloration generally seem to respond to changes in lighting, temperature and pH/nutrient-levels. The anthocyanins supposedly combat potential damage from UV-rays and protect from colder temperatures, so maybe it's possible to adjust ph/nutrient-levels and use some controlled water/light-deprivation techniques to increase production levels of flavonoids and inhibit chlorophyll production to bring the hue out more, even in outdoor crops? Unfortunately, I think controlled exposure to colder temps is gonna be pretty hard to solve outdoors...
It's a real shame there's no possibility to do it all legitimately indoors, it would be pretty fun to tinker around with temperature and lighting in a controlled environment to increase/decrease the production of various flavonoids.
To be fair, I have absolutely no practical knowledge of Finland and just assume it's like over here
BrownFingers I think Northern Finland is very much the same as Northern Sweden. But i see everything going very differently if only you go a few latitudes more South, be it either in Sweden or in Finland. > Like plants that will work out well on latitude 63 do not necessarily have to work out equally well on lat 65, where I am.
Some years it is indeed like growing Cannabis in the fridge, but now this year AGAIN, we are beating Morocco and Jamaica on drought and hot.
Needs some damn versatile genetics up here, lol
Some years it is indeed like growing Cannabis in the fridge, but now this year AGAIN, we are beating Morocco and Jamaica on drought and hot.
Needs some damn versatile genetics up here, lol
BrownFingers
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offthehook I can imagine, but seems like there's been some good robust breeds from Finland. Necessity is the mother of all invention?
Yes, I think climate-wise they're probably pretty similar at the same latitudes. Although it's the same here to a lesser extent, what works in the south doesn't always work further north. Southern Swedes are damn spoiled! lol
Better get started on cultivating an offthehook ultra cold-resistant strain?
Yes, I think climate-wise they're probably pretty similar at the same latitudes. Although it's the same here to a lesser extent, what works in the south doesn't always work further north. Southern Swedes are damn spoiled! lol
Better get started on cultivating an offthehook ultra cold-resistant strain?
Ultra cold resistant strains we have already, but now we also need the ultra drought resistant strains as well as it seems. > 2018, 2019, and now 2021 have been record years for drought.
Parameter was having the Morocco Beldia strain that seemed to be extremely drought resistant and early flowering, but unfortunately he lost them this year to animals.
Those Beldia's from Parameter were my hope to cross out to my own cold resistant strains like the Up'zz are, and try to create the best of both worlds in one strain some day...
We can only hope he'll be laying his hands on some new Beldia beans somehow... He's the only one I know with the right connections for that...
Parameter was having the Morocco Beldia strain that seemed to be extremely drought resistant and early flowering, but unfortunately he lost them this year to animals.
Those Beldia's from Parameter were my hope to cross out to my own cold resistant strains like the Up'zz are, and try to create the best of both worlds in one strain some day...
We can only hope he'll be laying his hands on some new Beldia beans somehow... He's the only one I know with the right connections for that...
Chemimbalance
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Ace seeds have Moroccan Beldia in stock. It's listed under the cathegory landrace/inbred wich contains other interesting strains aswell. Take a look under the 'limited editions' cathegory also
BrownFingers
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offthehook What temperatures can they withstand?
I hope you get your hands on them so you can start flicking beans. Hopefully you can get them from Ace like Chemimbalance said. Good luck!
I hope you get your hands on them so you can start flicking beans. Hopefully you can get them from Ace like Chemimbalance said. Good luck!
BrownFingers
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Chemimbalance Hur går det för maestron?! Havet fortfarande stilla, utan problem med pH och skogsvildar?
Chemimbalance
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Chemimbalance Hur går det för maestron?! Havet fortfarande stilla, utan problem med pH och skogsvildar?
Jag har inte kollat till stället på drygt en vecka men det rullar nog på
Det har regnat lite lagom senaste veckan vilket säkert gjort damerna gott efter den extrema värmen som varit. Jag besöker stället senare i veckan eller till helgen om jag kan hålla mig haha. Laddar upp lite bilder då!Hur går det själv?
Ace seeds have Moroccan Beldia in stock. It's listed under the cathegory landrace/inbred wich contains other interesting strains aswell. Take a look under the 'limited editions' cathegory also
There is a thread on ICMAG about the beldia from ACE seeds. Some have bought them, planted them and posted pictures. They don’t look like the real deal. Beldia doesn’t branch and it’s not a heavy yielder. It only has one main stem. The beldia picture on the ace seeds from the thread has a lot of branches and it looks big. I’m around 1.7m and I’ve never ever seen a beldia that’s taller then me. The only beldia that looks like the real deal is the ones from khalifa genetics. I’ve never planted the one from khalifa genetics but it looks as the original one. I’ve seen the presentation from khalifa genetics on the beldia on YouTube and the guy is very accurate in his description so he knows what his talking about. On the YouTube clip he is also showing a beldia plant and it looks exactly as the real one.
Paying 60 euros for 25 seeds feels as someone is robbing me for something I know farmers feed their chicken with.
This corona shit is holding me from bringing the seeds myself but I’ll figure something out. I’m sorry Offthehook but i promise to help you out.
BrownFingers
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To be fair, they could have bred out and kept different phenotypes. It could still be possible that it contains the drought-resistant genotype, no? Which, as I understood it was the main reason offthehook wanted to cross it into his Up'zz.
The pictures on ACE seeds website seem to only grow a main stem and kinda matches the description of the Beldia on Khalifa Genetics. ACE also states that "the most common phenotype grows very columnar and tall, with the second phenotype being smaller, shorter and more branched.". Also, I haven't checked the icmag thread so maybe I'm just being dumb here
All I'm saying is, odds are you can get the drought resistance gene from either.... hopefully. Though of course, tried and true beans are always a safer choice!
BrownFingers
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Jag har inte kollat till stället på drygt en vecka men det rullar nog på
Hur går det själv?
Härligt, ser fram emot att med avundsjuka glo på dina ståtliga earlies! Har själv inte vart iväg på närmre vecka med, får försöka ta lite bilder jag med...
Men det rullar ändå på hyfsat, 1 av 8 i en bädd visade symtom på näring/pH-problem, ser ut som näringsbränna dock. Lite gula bladspetsar på nya blad endast, känns ju lite märkligt att den största av alla i samma bädd skulle bli bränd. Men men, jag har kalibrerat min pH-mätare och ska bara ge vatten kommande veckan, förhoppningsvis är det inte total katastrof när jag kommer dit!
Måste också ta tag i att rensa riktigt ordentligt omkring så jag får mer utrymme, mitt LST-buskage börjar bli ganska kaotiskt
Thanks for the tips guys but no, I am only interested in the beans from Parameter, because he gets them right from the actual source, and knows what it is supposed to be. I don't trust commercial stock one bit. I rather deal with private people like Parameter who feels possible to trust.
Parameter sounds like a good guy. He feels like he's not going to fuck me over, and I have all the time in the world to wait for his beans. > Meanwhile the Up'zz are already being acclimated to the drought as we speak, lol.
Chemimbalance
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Interesting! Is there any possibility that the different appearence could be because of the change in climate/soil et.c? I could imagine that a plant grown on the other side of the world, adapted to sandy soil and grown SOG would have a different appearance than one grown under artificial lights or outdoors in our climate and with nutritious soil.
Either way, maybe the Ace seeds variety (what ever it may be) could still be intresting due to it's early flowering? And it still have it's origin in Morocco wich means it should be pretty resistant to drought.
What detered me from the Beldia on Ace seeds, was the low levels of alkaloids stated in the lab-report.
BrownFingers
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offthehook That's some amazing bounce-back ability. Glad to hear that the breeding works well in practice and not just in theory lol
I probably should/want to introduce cold-resistant genetics into my upcoming strains as well, primarily to be able to get an earlier start. With "normal" genetics, I typically can't sow until early June where I'm at.
I probably should/want to introduce cold-resistant genetics into my upcoming strains as well, primarily to be able to get an earlier start. With "normal" genetics, I typically can't sow until early June where I'm at.
If you'd check out my album then you'll understand how the breeding is being done here.
If all goes well this Summer then I can sent you some beans during winter or next spring if yer still around here BrownFingers
If all goes well this Summer then I can sent you some beans during winter or next spring if yer still around here BrownFingers
Calle Minogue
Brother of the COB
Many Greetings from Germany. At which Latitude do you work?
