2014 High in the Rockies

[the gnome]

Lookin' at cattle, chickens, and crop layouts for vegetables for row crops. Mainly lettuces and herbs. Tryin' to be as sustainable as we can and use the land for a multitude of things.

turbo

hope that works out for ya turbo
your living a lot of peoples dream

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Gladta hear yas talk about usin the excess property for sustainability....

Are you renting or buying said property bro ?.....I hope you`re buyin and settin roots for an infrastructure that`ll take care of you for generations to come......now....

Cattle , chicken , row crops.....Since all of it`s pretty much tax write offs for equipment depreciation , livestock maintenance and death , not to mention crop failures , it benefits you to enter the specialty market for produce as in the lettuces and herbs market for the most expensive brands for the most bang for the buck....Hell....

Getchas some "Berkshire hogs" and feed their ass off the excess produce.....The caddilacs of pigs bring big bucks fer Baaah beee que and you ain`t competin at the stockyard sale pig prices...

Specialty chickens....Them Chinese silkies are black ...I mean solid black inside and out and them folks pay a damn fortune for em.....and last....cows....

Buy the best yas can afford and start growin them bitches.....I took a young bull and 20 head of black angus waaaaaay back when , and I turn 50 head a yr plus walk in cooler full of meat , and all it cost me is an old man down the road gets anything he wants on my 52 acres for tendin my livestock and growin a couple acre veggie garden every yr...IOW....

Hire an old fart to grow you veggies and tend the livestock while you handlin the "fire on da mountain" , and before you know it all ducks are in a row and producing like a mofo......and lastly Turbo....

Respect for coming as far as you have in the time I`ve known you online.....Very fuckin few rise to the occasion , and you sir are on the way to a fruitful and profitable future....anyways....just tryin to help with things you can think about and make educated decisions over....thoughts to ponder....

All in what you make of it now bro.....I see big things with all the I`s dotted and T`s crossed.......over here on my bucket pullin fer yas .....

Peace....DHF..... ......

 

[turbo14]

sounds a dream farm property turbo.

I fell into a good one for sure! Thanks man!

hope that works out for ya turbo
your living a lot of peoples dream

Thanks gnome

Dream about it enough and it becomes a reality.

turbo

 

[turbo14]

Gladta hear yas talk about usin the excess property for sustainability....

Are you renting or buying said property bro ?.....I hope you`re buyin and settin roots for an infrastructure that`ll take care of you for generations to come......now....

Cattle , chicken , row crops.....Since all of it`s pretty much tax write offs for equipment depreciation , livestock maintenance and death , not to mention crop failures , it benefits you to enter the specialty market for produce as in the lettuces and herbs market for the most expensive brands for the most bang for the buck....Hell....

Getchas some "Berkshire hogs" and feed their ass off the excess produce.....The caddilacs of pigs bring big bucks fer Baaah beee que and you ain`t competin at the stockyard sale pig prices...

Specialty chickens....Them Chinese silkies are black ...I mean solid black inside and out and them folks pay a damn fortune for em.....and last....cows....

Buy the best yas can afford and start growin them bitches.....I took a young bull and 20 head of black angus waaaaaay back when , and I turn 50 head a yr plus walk in cooler full of meat , and all it cost me is an old man down the road gets anything he wants on my 52 acres for tendin my livestock and growin a couple acre veggie garden every yr...IOW....

Hire an old fart to grow you veggies and tend the livestock while you handlin the "fire on da mountain" , and before you know it all ducks are in a row and producing like a mofo......and lastly Turbo....

Respect for coming as far as you have in the time I`ve known you online.....Very fuckin few rise to the occasion , and you sir are on the way to a fruitful and profitable future....anyways....just tryin to help with things you can think about and make educated decisions over....thoughts to ponder....

All in what you make of it now bro.....I see big things with all the I`s dotted and T`s crossed.......over here on my bucket pullin fer yas .....

Peace....DHF..... ......

I am purchasing the property for sure.

I'm gonna put around 10-12 head of beef cattle on the front 25 acres, also gonna get one bull. Only have to finish the fencing on one side of the pasture. Tons of water for them to play in and unlimited amounts of hay. What kind of cattle do you recommend? I want to be able to send one to get made into meats every year.

Might be looking to hogs for next year, but want to get some chickens going and laying eggs this year for sure.

Thanks for the insight brother!

Now for the good stuff. Both hoops are planted and growing like a mother fucker These ladies are gonna be huge come August..

I'll snap some pics next week..

Happy 4th.

turbo

 

[RckyMtRdnk]

Rock it out!

 

[neongreen]

Great thread and grow turbo! Hope all comes together great for you this year. Sounds like a nice selection of strains you have going there.

 

[turbo14]

Rock it out!

Feels good to be up and running under the sun again. Gonna cage next week and let these ladies rip.

I've got some really awesome people helping with this years garden. We got this up and running in no time! Couldn't of done it without my friends!

Great thread and grow turbo! Hope all comes together great for you this year. Sounds like a nice selection of strains you have going there.

Thanks for the good vibes.

Got a good bit of OG's and Sours going this year, that's for sure.... I know that's what I prefer to smoke Gonna be some raw funk!

Gonna take clones for the winter crop this week as well. Oldschool has convinced me to take the plunge into the winter runs.. Big ups Oldschool growe!

Will snap a pic or two next week for ya'll.

Already planning for next year's full season as well! Lookin' like 400 gallon smarties are in the near future

turbo

 

[neongreen]

You're welcome turbo

I have an idea/potential experiment that might be worth trying if you want to try and boost your yield per plant.

Have you heard of layering?

The basic idea is that when you plant out in the final bed/pot you lay your plant down on it's side, and cover with soil which encourages the main stem to produce roots. That means the plant grows a much larger root system than normal, which encourages super fast growth and makes for bigger yields.

By spreading your plant out you are also allowing it to collect light over a wider area than normal, and more light compliments the greater uptake of water/nutes due to increased size of the root system - perfect conditions for explosive growth

I've only tried on a small scale outdoors (with encouraging results), but I believe it would translate very well to your style of growing, and there is a chance that you might be able to blow away the previous record yield for a single plant... but it's never been tried with a setup like yours as far as I know, so, I suspect you would be breaking new ground.

If you check the link in my sig (Blowfish/Trainwreck S1s and Taskenti (organic/outdoor)) you can see my own attempt at layering and it should answer any questions you might have. Check out Silverback's old thread too (in the sticky section of the outdoor forum). Look for the words "Yield increasing".

My suggestion to you if you want to try this would be to start plants a couple of months (or perhaps a bit less if you think they will get too big) or so before they are due to go into their final beds/pots. What you want to do is give them less light so that there are very long node spacings and you end up with tall/spindly plants. That will make it easier to layer and means that the root system spreads out over a wide area.

You might also consider creating long rectangular "pots" - about 8 feet long and 3-4 feet wide would be ideal I think. Not sure how much trouble that would be to do, but you might be able to get away with having 2 smart pots pushed together instead for a similar effect, but then you wouldn't be able to layer along most of the stem's length.

Alternatively, dig some long beds. I'm not sure why big grows a la "Tom Hill" style never use beds that have been dug - is it easier to use big pots? Perhaps dug beds would work just as well better? Has anyone even tried? Certainly if you are layering, a long bed or pot would probably work much better.

In my experience growing outdoors beds produce bigger plants that pots, but then I've never grown in very large pots outdoors before.

One potential advantage of having beds rather than pots would be less watering needed.

 

[turbo14]

You're welcome turbo

I have an idea/potential experiment that might be worth trying if you want to try and boost your yield per plant.

Have you heard of layering?

The basic idea is that when you plant out in the final bed/pot you lay your plant down on it's side, and cover with soil which encourages the main stem to produce roots. That means the plant grows a much larger root system than normal, which encourages super fast growth and makes for bigger yields.

By spreading your plant out you are also allowing it to collect light over a wider area than normal, and more light compliments the greater uptake of water/nutes due to increased size of the root system - perfect conditions for explosive growth

I've only tried on a small scale outdoors (with encouraging results), but I believe it would translate very well to your style of growing, and there is a chance that you might be able to blow away the previous record yield for a single plant... but it's never been tried with a setup like yours as far as I know, so, I suspect you would be breaking new ground.

If you check the link in my sig (Blowfish/Trainwreck S1s and Taskenti (organic/outdoor)) you can see my own attempt at layering and it should answer any questions you might have. Check out Silverback's old thread too (in the sticky section of the outdoor forum). Look for the words "Yield increasing".

My suggestion to you if you want to try this would be to start plants a couple of months (or perhaps a bit less if you think they will get too big) or so before they are due to go into their final beds/pots. What you want to do is give them less light so that there are very long node spacings and you end up with tall/spindly plants. That will make it easier to layer and means that the root system spreads out over a wide area.

You might also consider creating long rectangular "pots" - about 8 feet long and 3-4 feet wide would be ideal I think. Not sure how much trouble that would be to do, but you might be able to get away with having 2 smart pots pushed together instead for a similar effect, but then you wouldn't be able to layer along most of the stem's length.

Alternatively, dig some long beds. I'm not sure why big grows a la "Tom Hill" style never use beds that have been dug - is it easier to use big pots? Perhaps dug beds would work just as well better? Has anyone even tried? Certainly if you are layering, a long bed or pot would probably work much better.

In my experience growing outdoors beds produce bigger plants that pots, but then I've never grown in very large pots outdoors before.

One potential advantage of having beds rather than pots would be less watering needed.

Thanks man.

Big pots over beds, Big Pots dry out faster = more air to the roots = faster growth.

Plenty of friends with drenches dug into the ground, in my climate I prefer large pots.

I like the idea of layering and I have done it before, but in my opinion I get better results potting straight up, topping early to promote more branches. I will never grow a tall lanky, long inter node plant on purpose. I train my plants early so they grow how I want them to grow, into a bush

If you train properly and cage and trellis properly then you will achieve maximum yields.

turbo

 

[oldschool growe]

How about a few pics from the new digs !! We are all waiting patiently ...and understand you are a very busy man !!!



Peace , Oldschool

 

[neongreen]

Hey turbo,

Thanks for clarifying about the pots. It makes sense now

I like the idea of layering and I have done it before, but in my opinion I get better results potting straight up, topping early to promote more branches. I will never grow a tall lanky, long inter node plant on purpose. I train my plants early so they grow how I want them to grow, into a bush

If you train properly and cage and trellis properly then you will achieve maximum yields.

turbo

I think you're missing the point bro.

It's not about growing tall/lanky plants, but STARTING out with them (though it seems counter intuitive at first) makes the end aim (big, bushy, and HEAVY yielding plants) easier to achieve.

Would you call this Taskenti (which was layered) tall and lanky:

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Here's the same Taskenti (on the left) with a Trainwreak S1 (also layered) in the foreground on the right and a Blowfish S1 (not layered) behind it, all in early flower:

Keep in mind these were grown @51N with perhaps 4-5 hrs of direct sunlight per day. The Taskenti ended up as a 6 foot tall/6 foot long/4 foot wide hedge and yielded over 8 oz of high quality dried bud. The Blowfish ended up at about 7-8 feet tall and gave me 5 oz, whilst the 3-4 foot tall Trainwreck yielded a little under 5 oz. (I know comparing seed-grown plants of different strains isn't by any means conclusive or very scientific, but I think my grow did "hint at a pattern")

Sure they started out tall and lanky:

BUT, once in the ground, and growing from MULTIPLE root systems, they very quickly make up for it, and bush out.

Don't get too fixated on them being tall/lanky to begin with. A 5 foot tall/lanky plant can have just as much biomass as 2 foot bushy plant, but if you were to layer the 2 foot plant, the additional root system that it developed would only cover a bit over a couple of feet, whereas if you layer the 5 foot plant, you get roots soon spreading out along a 5 foot line (outwards in all directions).

Also, less energy from the plant goes towards upwards (effectively wasted) growth (you end up with a relatively short hedge), but instead goes to developing the root system and spreading out sideways to make use of more available light.

Continued in next post...

 

[neongreen]

Here's the Taskenti when I first layered it into the ground:

Note that the bottom of the plant (where the original rootball is) is on the right, the top of the plant is on the left, and almost the entire length of stem between the two has been covered over with soil.

Here it is later on in the season with what were the side branches at the bottom of the plant (before it was layered) in the foreground, and looking along the length of the plant with the original top of the plant in the distance:

Note how fat the old side branches (that now have become upwards shooting trunks) are, especially the closest stems, each of which could easily be the main stem of an individual plant that is reasonably sized for an outdoor bed grow in this part of the world.

Also keep in mind that the examples above are from my first time experimenting with layering, and I did things that could be done better in future, so I'm sure that the results could easily be improved on without much extra effort and possibly very significantly with a little trial/error plus a better growing climate/longer season offered by your setup/location.

I'm fairly confident, that if you did it right there you could significantly upgrade your yield per plant at the expense of a bit of extra growing area, and I'd expect they would also drink significantly more. I can't guarantee it of course, but I'd be very surprised if you got less from a layered clone than an identical clone that you grew in a conventional manner.

I fully understand that you might want to stick to tried/tested methods and keep things as simple as possible, but what have you got to loose if you tried it with two clones (keeping my statement above in mind)? You *might* even end up with an extra-heavy yield from a layered plant. Even if layering "only" ends up adding an extra 1lb on a 6 lb plant, wouldn't you agree it's worth a try? With 99 plants, that's a lot of extra buds! Again, not saying that that is what you'll get, I'm just guessing based on what experience I have and what a few other growers that have tried it have reported.

If you're up for the experiment I'll be more than happy to give you more detailed advice along the way, and if not, that's cool too turbo.

I must confess that my only angle here is to see it done in your environment (or one like it) and hopefully watch you harvest a 20-30 lb plant. It's something I couldn't do here, at least not to the same degree as you (due to climate), and you certainly have your shit way better together than me, so I'd like to see it done RIGHT.

I've been struggling with growing things well lately - can't keep plants healthy indoors, and everything seems to be conspiring to put spanners in the works outdoors. I wanted to layer this season but various setbacks prevented me starting early enough to warrant layering - layering too late is not worth the trouble and might even be counterproductive IME.

Anyway, hope all is good with you there bro, and wish you big yields of sticky/stinky buds


PS. Forgot to add pics of the root systems.

Taskenti:

Blowfish:

 

[HorseMouth]

well described and verbalized Neon Green. Great job on the pics. It makes sense to me.

For an experiment, it certainly looked like a success.

Peace

 

[turbo14]

Here's the Taskenti when I first layered it into the ground:
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Note that the bottom of the plant (where the original rootball is) is on the right, the top of the plant is on the left, and almost the entire length of stem between the two has been covered over with soil.

Here it is later on in the season with what were the side branches at the bottom of the plant (before it was layered) in the foreground, and looking along the length of the plant with the original top of the plant in the distance:

View Image

Note how fat the old side branches (that now have become upwards shooting trunks) are, especially the closest stems, each of which could easily be the main stem of an individual plant that is reasonably sized for an outdoor bed grow in this part of the world.

Also keep in mind that the examples above are from my first time experimenting with layering, and I did things that could be done better in future, so I'm sure that the results could easily be improved on without much extra effort and possibly very significantly with a little trial/error plus a better growing climate/longer season offered by your setup/location.

I'm fairly confident, that if you did it right there you could significantly upgrade your yield per plant at the expense of a bit of extra growing area, and I'd expect they would also drink significantly more. I can't guarantee it of course, but I'd be very surprised if you got less from a layered clone than an identical clone that you grew in a conventional manner.

I fully understand that you might want to stick to tried/tested methods and keep things as simple as possible, but what have you got to loose if you tried it with two clones (keeping my statement above in mind)? You *might* even end up with an extra-heavy yield from a layered plant. Even if layering "only" ends up adding an extra 1lb on a 6 lb plant, wouldn't you agree it's worth a try? With 99 plants, that's a lot of extra buds! Again, not saying that that is what you'll get, I'm just guessing based on what experience I have and what a few other growers that have tried it have reported.

If you're up for the experiment I'll be more than happy to give you more detailed advice along the way, and if not, that's cool too turbo.

I must confess that my only angle here is to see it done in your environment (or one like it) and hopefully watch you harvest a 20-30 lb plant. It's something I couldn't do here, at least not to the same degree as you (due to climate), and you certainly have your shit way better together than me, so I'd like to see it done RIGHT.

I've been struggling with growing things well lately - can't keep plants healthy indoors, and everything seems to be conspiring to put spanners in the works outdoors. I wanted to layer this season but various setbacks prevented me starting early enough to warrant layering - layering too late is not worth the trouble and might even be counterproductive IME.

Anyway, hope all is good with you there bro, and wish you big yields of sticky/stinky buds


PS. Forgot to add pics of the root systems.

Taskenti:
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Blowfish:
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Sweet pics and great info. I'll definitely try that sometime. Those pics are awesome. Good vibes to you brotha!

Here is a pic of one of the GH's... Gonna clean up the ground cover and put cages on next week... Plants are growing and are bigger than last years already by this time. Not bad for being late to the party.

Here is a pic, the GH is a mirror of this one and same sized plants. End walls are going up tomorrow on both hoops.

Here goes nothin

turbo

 

[noyd666]

nice job turbo, looks a treat.

 

[oldschool growe]

Sweet pics and great info. I'll definitely try that sometime. Those pics are awesome. Good vibes to you brotha!

Here is a pic of one of the GH's... Gonna clean up the ground cover and put cages on next week... Plants are growing and are bigger than last years already by this time. Not bad for being late to the party.

Here is a pic, the GH is a mirror of this one and same sized plants. End walls are going up tomorrow on both hoops.

View Image

Here goes nothin

turbo

Looking awesome bro !! Killing it in sw Colorado !!
I like the white floors ! :-]

 

[sho]

Nice! Those are 200s hey?

 

[tyisdead]

Looking schweeet as usual turbo. Are u hand watering this season again mate?

 

[neongreen]

well described and verbalized Neon Green. Great job on the pics. It makes sense to me.

For an experiment, it certainly looked like a success.

Peace

Thanks HorseMouth. That grow certainly was a great success for me. I took a few risks/chances (both layering and growing strains that I wasn't sure would be suitable for my climate - they should have been indoor strains) and they paid off. The 4 plants I harvested that year kept me in bud for 2 years.

 

[neongreen]

Sweet pics and great info. I'll definitely try that sometime. Those pics are awesome. Good vibes to you brotha!

Here is a pic of one of the GH's... Gonna clean up the ground cover and put cages on next week... Plants are growing and are bigger than last years already by this time. Not bad for being late to the party.

Here is a pic, the GH is a mirror of this one and same sized plants. End walls are going up tomorrow on both hoops.

View Image

Here goes nothin

turbo

Thanks turbo. Didn't want to hijack your thread, but to communicate the basics took a little more typing (and pics) than I initially anticipated!

Looking good there bro!