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Anslinger is long gone!because it will prove Mr. Anslinger wrong.
It is not HIM that we have to PROVE wrong!
You fight with insults and condescension.
I fight with understanding and bubbles.
it's been a while since i've looked closely at the federal rescheduling process(or lack thereof)
Congress can reschedule, that's pretty straight forward
i have seen that the Executive Branch/DEA could possibly do so, in principle
but i think in practice, this will have to be Congress, DEA is not helping out on this one
Barry might be able to order rescheduling, but that doesn't look like the way it will go down
and as it stands in Congress, it's not there yet
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
whole heartedly agree. and I <3 civil discourse
Imo it's going to take a swing back in the other direction politically, then a response to that which will excite the base to the point were we can push those lines.
My magic crystal balls says:
Barry's going to lose, and we are going to see a crack down on MMj by new republican president (if it's palin i'll puke).
Recreational/commercial pot won't even be in debate if this happens.
In response to repubs fucking up the economy ect again the left political base will rize up and so we can take back the white house.
Then we can focus on rescheduling marijuana to at least acknowledge that it is medicine, to protect sick people from the cyclic nature of american politics.
The US government already has MMj anti-cancer patent, pharma-cannabis has many more.
Now getting a candidate for president to say they support this is easier than actually making it happen.
But we need to prioritize federal rescheduling so sick and dying people can get cannabinoids, pharma-cannabiniods is better than no cannabinoids to the people that need it.
Yeah yeah, people are going to jail, I hear that. People are also dying of cancer and AIDS, and have no better pain relief than oxy, morphine ect.
Anslinger is long gone!
It is not HIM that we have to PROVE wrong!
You fight with insults and condescension.
I fight with understanding and bubbles.
you fight...
im just talking
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growingcrazy
What is the problem with taxing of cannabis?
Tobacco is taxed, you can grow it. Alcohol is taxed, you can make it. The tax is for the people who would rather pay the tax than grow it themselves.
If a cannabis law's are something similar to that of alcohol and tobacco, I am ok with that.
Tobacco is taxed, you can grow it. Alcohol is taxed, you can make it. The tax is for the people who would rather pay the tax than grow it themselves.
If a cannabis law's are something similar to that of alcohol and tobacco, I am ok with that.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
We all agree (well, except krunchbubble) that cannabis will be and should be taxed and regulated. How we go about this is the main area of division among growers, IC, and the cannabis world in general. This thread is about the taxation/regulation of commercial/recreational cannabis in California, a much more specific idea than legalization in general.
Who is the "WE", are they growers, sellers, and others that profit from the situation as is it now? Or consumers that outnumber the growers and sellers 10, 100, or more to 1, and do want lower prices? As for the large anti-corporate sentiment, are you joking? Where do you think most Californians get their food, clothing, homes, automobiles, gasoline, and most of their daily consumables? Big Biz.
As for this thread convincing many that CA does not need tax/regulation of cannabis. And that commercial/centralized cannabis production is not needed, and not good for jobs in CA.
That is a big jump as I don't see many posting here changing sides, just trying to get the other side to change.
I do agree that changing the federal scheduling of Cannabis is one of the correct paths needed for change in the US, but like 215 shows, not the only one, states can help bring about the change.
-SamS
As for this thread convincing many that CA does not need tax/regulation of cannabis. And that commercial/centralized cannabis production is not needed, and not good for jobs in CA.
That is a big jump as I don't see many posting here changing sides, just trying to get the other side to change.
I do agree that changing the federal scheduling of Cannabis is one of the correct paths needed for change in the US, but like 215 shows, not the only one, states can help bring about the change.
-SamS
If CA wants taxed/regulated cannabis we will have it. Currently, we do not want it. Our MMj system is very easy to be a part of, and we have a large anti-corporate sentiment
I am certain this thread has convinced many that CA does not need tax/regulation of cannabis. And that commercial/centralized cannabis production is not needed, and not good for jobs in CA. Recreational AND commercial cannabis need to come from the fed, not the states. It is clear that a federal approach to the rescheduling of Cannabis is the correct path for the US.
its bullshit when someone throws my name out there with wrong information......
probably why i have the hate crew.......
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THE PABLOS
Changing sides is a moot point....if there is no bill to be at opposites.
Most peeps are consumers of Big Biz....doesn't make it right. It has been force fed to our society. Does nobody see a problem there? I'd personally not like to see Cannabis go down that road...but hey...I guess that's the way it goes. Stay on reservation.
I do as little as possible to support our convenience....you all do what you need to do.
Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death (Dead Kennedys).....about sums up the attitude of our times. Man the weed is cheap.
Most peeps are consumers of Big Biz....doesn't make it right. It has been force fed to our society. Does nobody see a problem there? I'd personally not like to see Cannabis go down that road...but hey...I guess that's the way it goes. Stay on reservation.
I do as little as possible to support our convenience....you all do what you need to do.
Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death (Dead Kennedys).....about sums up the attitude of our times. Man the weed is cheap.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
I don't know what you think. I do know you are out there reading, and I did ask you about your stance with no reply. So please do tell... I smoke way too much hash to remember what was said in the 19 thread.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
No I was not joking. We are the small organic farmers of California. I was at the ranch today. One of my CSA farms. We hate corporations in general, it is a common sentiment here. You have been away a long time Sam. The hippy culture has gotten more advanced. Many are against big business and big ag. I can understand if you view my statement as a personal attack but it was not intended to be. Around here, we shop at farmers markets and co-ops. Whole Foods is way too corporate, do you get it? We do what we can to support local and small business in every form. Some of us turn our backs on the big biz/ag to whatever degree we can. My food does not come from big ag. My clothes are organic. We do what we can. Many do not own cars for this reason. Other's grow food and have chickens. I do not remember what commercially grown food tastes like.
Agreed. States can affect change. But as I said repeatedly, are commercial/centralized pot farms good for CA right now, or good for other states, or good for big bizness and big ag?
The answers are: maybe, maybe, and yes.
Any legislation CA passes has to be good for CA. It has little to do with what stoners want.
The best thing for Cannabis, and for patients, is small farmed organic Cannabis. As soon as you start centralizing Cannabis production you mess up the whole system, and start needing to spray, GMO, or GE. The best way to grow any crop is a huge diversity of genetics and large number or semi-independent small organic farms. I smoke marijuana grown in 30 year conditioned living soil, in the ground, fed spring water, never sprayed, never fertilized. There is nothing safer or better.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
Firstly...that is the most intelligent thing I have seen you post in a while-- Here's why.... THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH STONERS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!
Secondly...it is simple Economics-- If it is good for the State, the State will vote for it...if not, they won't--
California is not a Phish Concert....it may seem that way sometimes...but it's not--
I have been nice long enough-- Dude...WTF do you want??
You call ppl out for being rude...when they haven't been--
If somebody disagrees with you, you say they are "Talking Shit"-- When they weren't--
WTF is your agenda?? Seriously--
Mine, is to get Cannabis into the Mainstream...make it Legitimate--
What is yours?? Because it seems that you have a "Dream"...that cannot be fulfilled--
How the fuck do you think Cannabis Legalization will take place?? With no "Rules"?? With no "Limitations"??
It ain't gonna happen that way--
It will further the benefit of all...or it won't happen--
Remember...we are a vast Minority-- We cannot do this, without the support of the non-smoking Public...they will not give that support, if it doesn't benefit them, as much as it does us-- PERIOD!!
A Prop to Tax and Regulate, is the best we can hope for at this time-- It would give us something to build on--
If you'd rather have "Nothing" than "Something"...then I don't know how to continue this conversation--
Peace--
Big business fucking rocks.... You can keep your coops and your hippie jam festivals cuz I get Levis for $20, chuck taylors for $15 and 20 chicken mcnuggets for $5
So go trade some sage or hugs or whatever the fuck you burnt out fried hippies use as currency and let the rest of civilization not be held to your non deodorant using jerr bear standards
So go trade some sage or hugs or whatever the fuck you burnt out fried hippies use as currency and let the rest of civilization not be held to your non deodorant using jerr bear standards
redneck shogun
Member
What happens when there are no natural resources left for a growing decadent population that consumes far more than can be sustained? Some hippie will take your chuck taylors off your corpse.
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
To keep commercial cannabis out of CA until it is rescheduled for the nation. Until then 99 plants in plenty.
My dream is the near future of medical cannabis employing thousands of small organic farms (living it, fulfilled).
The other dream is the current system in CA being spread to every state (that's on the voters).
As I have stated, legalization is a pipe dream not worth dividing the community over until the fed reschedules. Until then we have this really great thing called medical marijuana that all states need to push for individually. It's backed by science and compassion for sick people.
Agree to disagree here. Things are pretty lax in CA with 215, if "we" refers to Californians. I don't know who the "we" is you have referenced. If we referenced all growers, I would suggest that the best thing is a 215 style legislation for each state. If we references all smokers, recreational, then yes, tax/regulate is the only viable option. If we references commercial interest, then you are spot on.
I would rather have something good for CA and good for the nation. Not one or the other. I refuse to sacrifice California's legion of small organic medical marijuana farms to big biz so the other states may have the remote chance of passing medical marijuana (with grow) legislation. If you want to grow, move to a grow state. Just like abortion operations, and alcohol sales, some places will never let you grow.If you'd rather have "Nothing" than "Something"...then I don't know how to continue this conversation--
Peace--
If you hate sales tax and think it is wrong you don't blame Oregon, you move there. Same with growing.
I'll vote yes for whatever garbage Lee puts up in 2012, but I won't support it unless I think it is good for California's small farms.
more of the false either or bullshit that has been shattered by logic again and again...
weaksauce
budlover123
Member
nothing worse than a corporate hippie.
corporations can be ok, the American system needs reform in the way corporations are legally obligated to maximize profits to the point where they are making horribly irresponsible choices and the government can't or is unwilling to intervene.
hippies are certainly not the answer because they never have anything of value to say, get over yourself hippies, it was the music, not you. (I'm just kidding...)
