2.5x1.8 meter coco scrog, 3 strain bingo!!

[Scrogerman]

Wow, very neat bro.
That Def looks exactly like a very slight Mg def, & i think thats what it is imo! I know VPD(vapour pressure deficit) can mimick deficiencys but usaually causes blotches(white-yellow) like the blotches on that Mg deficient leaf pic. Im not saying it is that, but VPD is always worth considering when you see necrotic blotches. I think BigToke had a thread with all the instances where it will occur,& todo with Temps & RH. For each Temp Range theres a RH range & if its outside of that range, you'll get Necrotic Blotches. Ie-Temp-75f = RH-50%, Temp 70f RH-45%, im not saying those are the correct figures bacause i dont think they are, but after reading BT's threrad on VPD i always cionsider it as its mimicks Defs, when you aint got one. What a waste of breath, i dont think your suffering from VPD, its just the Blotches in that leaf pic reminded me of it, thats all. Meanwhile Back at the Ranch!..........
Have you considered Bonsai for your mum, a practice of trimming back roots to miniturise the plant. Im not 100% on Bonsai, but if you want little mums its worth looking at bro, & its probably what i would do! Yeah 200w for them 2 is a lot bro, you'd get away with half of that if not less!
Anyway The screen looks sick bro! Its gonna fkin Kick ass, im sure of it & im real happy for you man, & jelious as fuck lol! All the Best buddy!
Peace.......Scrogs!

 

[rocket high]

yeah looks like mag def like my white rhinos

...but as scroggs says enviromental factors can mimick deff's.
i take it the ph's are fine ,the odd drift can help too.

Someone with more knowladge might be able to help you more than me

 

[Kindman69]

Cheers Toke, looking great in your hood bro
The leaf issue at the bottom posts is a slight mg issue which could be caused by a multitude of things, but I would strongly suggest that you are out of optimal ph range for this strain. I used to run a fairly low ph between 5.2-5.6 and mg issues were my steady companion. I run 5.9-6.3 now and have no problems what so ever. There is more to this, but I got to go to work.

Catch you later,
Kind

 

[Tokesome]

Thanks guys, I`ll check those suggestions out.

Hey Kind, I reckon I`ve got my ph about bang on. I`m feeding between ph5.8 and 6.0, and the run off has always come out around .1-.3 higher, which I believe is good for coco drain to waste. I appreciate yer input tho mate.

Interesting what you mention Scrogger, I`ve not heard of that before, I could do with some reading on that, I`ll do a search for it when I have a bit of time. Yeah I know the jealous feeling when I could see so many grows coming off well whilst my last one was doing really shite! You`ll be like a pig in shit when you get those auto`s going outside bro. Looking fwd to yer thread on that once up and running. I dont think I`m going to get around to doing outdoors this year, too broke to get the seeds etc. I`ll be taking notes from you for next year though.

Hey R High, hope you`re well dude, what you got going now, You`re house back to normal again after your roofing worries?

Hey I`ve been to the shop to get individual spikes to replace those fucking crappy netafim 8 way splitters. I`ve cut them out of the circuit and replaced with a straight connector. I`m just about to go and punch the holes for the feed tubes. Gonna measure the loop and space them evenly, hopefully this will provide an even distribution of nutrient mix to the pots. Right less talk and more action!!

Cheers, Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Ps. . . . The mag def like leafs are restricted to just 3 or 4 of the plants, and very slight, its nothing for anyone to be too concerned about at this stage. I`ll let you know if it gets any worse, or better.

T`other thing. I have a 70w sodium light, STrong enough for keeping 2-3 mums??

Toke ;-)

 

[Scrogerman]

Ive used a 70w Car-Park Light (SON-T) was perfect & i remember back in '91' i did 2 plant grow to completion with it & then gave it to a good friend. Did the job & was Cool behind its plastic front cover(low yield though), bastard to hang, too heavy really but bloody worked well lol think i paid £35 for it!! Id say perfect buddy! if not too good! Bloody use that though bro! Niccee!

 

[VerdantGreen]

looks good tokesome

i keep 6 or 7 mums (bonsai mums) under 42 watts of t5. less light helps keep em smallish as does smaller pots.

VG

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Scrogger, yeah I reckon we`re talking about the same light, I think this one came out of a lit road bollard. I was given it years ago. A mate has it now, I must get it back pronto.

VG, thanks. Checked your LED mod scrog out, what a great job you`re doing there.

I`ve fitted the individual feed lines to both supply tubes. I`ve tried one out, the other res is empty until tmro, it runs a lot more even than before, but certainly isn`t dead even and there seems to be a couple of slower flowing feed lines. I`m thinking the only answer may be to fit drippers and adjust them all individually until they`re doing so many drips per ?? seconds, and then work out how long it takes to give run off. Also if I have that set-up, it should be easy to simply adjust individual pots if they`re a bit hungrier than others.

SO its going to be back to the shop and spending yet more cash, it soon builds up, 15 plants, 2 feed loops means I need 30 of everything. I`ve been considering a 3rd res with a 3rd feed loop and pump. 2 90ltr res`s only lasts around 3 days, though I am getting higher than usual running to waste due to the uneven auto feeding.

Cheer. Toke ;-)

 

[Tokesome]

So bonsai mums produce normal sized plants from cuttings then? Forgive my ignorance here, I assume that is the case, but never had anything to do with bonsai cannabis plants. Also does it work well with all strains?

Here`s a few pics of the latest change to the auto feed set-up, I`ve put spike nipples directly into the feed supply loops, Its difficult to see here but there are two loops there, its just that one is overlapping the other.

Then I`ve taken the feed tubes up and zip tied them to the screen above, this leaves me room to crawl under them to get to my screen access hole at the rear of the screen, as well as getting underneath for under screen maintenance.

Then free flowing lines, one from each res, feeding different areas of the pots. I reckon I`ve had my hopes set too high in respect of getting a totally even flow from each feed line from one loop, I guess I`ll have to fit drippers to the ends and adjust them individually for the even flow I require.

I`ve nearly finished the current stage of controlling the apical dominance, just a little more to finish off tmro. Its starting to look full and a bit crowded, just crowded enough I hope.

Its starting to look quite even considering the screen swell in the middle, I cant compensate for this as much as I`d like though.


Cheers Toke

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey tokesome - yeah you probably wont get so many cuttings from a bonsai type mum but they will produce the exact same plants as normal mums, even if the cuttings are a little smaller

 

[Scrogerman]

Bonsai is an art form & uses trimming back roots to minturise the plant, I think thats the jist of it bro, Once you take a cut & let the roots go they grow normally i believe, im thinking of trying it myself, great advise VerdantG.

 

[Tokesome]

Thanks guys, I have some rooting into beer cups that I`m going to be making mum selections from. Just wondering how you trim roots of a potted plant. I`ll do some reading on it, I think it`d be the answer for me.

Toke

 

[rocket high]

wow your drippers look like an engineering marvel ts
well done' hope it works out for ya this time thats a lot or 6mm nipples used huh lol

 

[Tokesome]

wow your drippers look like an engineering marvel ts
well done' hope it works out for ya this time thats a lot or 6mm nipples used huh lol

I`ve never tweaked so many nipples mate, well not in the same day!! Made my fingers a bit sore. Its quite a simple set up really, it just looks a bit complicate in amongst all the plants and equipment.

After reading up a little and talking to a guy in the shop, I`ve decided to give a low dose of PK13/14 to the grow. I`ve given 45mls to one of the 90 liter res`s, so that works out at 5mls per 10lts, a 1/3 of the normal dose. Apparently Canna recommend half dose, 7.5mls from when the plants clearly show flowers. The guy said the Canna rep says, half dose when flowers are showing up until 3rd week from harvest when you apply the full dose, also said this works amazingly with Canna Boost. I cant decide if this is just another way of selling more stock (though PK13/14 is cheap) or whether there is some evidence to back this up.

I cant remember where I read this, but somewhere I read it was a load of crap as the plants have no higher need of the P or K until around 3 weeks from harvest. Anyone have any info on this?? If so, please let me know, especially if you think its a bad idea.

I mixed the nutrients a little weaker at ec1.3 and the added PK13/14 took it up to my target figure of ec1.4. I didn`t want to up their nutrient strength overall. Just one of the 2 res`s has the PK13/14 added and I`m going to set the timers to give one feed from each res each day, so it ends up being quite a low dose overall, like a 1/6 of the full daily dosage dose.

I`ve done a little more pulling down of dominant tops, though I cant ever see the screen being perfectly level by any means. Tie a few of the dom tops and the next few tallest stand out, and then again and again. So I`m just trying to be sensible and learn as I go along.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Yeah man,PK- i still think like you said the plants dont need soo much as its in the feed but a small amount is a good idea but Half strength, up untill the full dose 3 week from the end, na i'll stick with my method man wks 456 or 567 small dose, medium, Full-ish, i go 3/4 on that one usually & cut the a+b a little, always works for me bro. I think as long as you observe a good flush then higher doses are OK but as long as you flush real good, just m'o bro!
Yeah on the apical dominance its always a battle but gets easier as you get used to it bro. your looking good bro!

 

[Tokesome]

Yeah man,PK- i still think like you said the plants dont need soo much as its in the feed but a small amount is a good idea but Half strength, up untill the full dose 3 week from the end, na i'll stick with my method man wks 456 or 567 small dose, medium, Full-ish, i go 3/4 on that one usually & cut the a+b a little, always works for me bro. I think as long as you observe a good flush then higher doses are OK but as long as you flush real good, just m'o bro!
Yeah on the apical dominance its always a battle but gets easier as you get used to it bro. your looking good bro!

Yeah Scorgger, I did`nt like the 1/2 dose thru to full dose, and I`ve ended up with 1/3 strength every other feed. Its into week 4 now, so that ties in with your thoughts on it too mate, although the Arma`s are 7 week finishers so this may make a difference here. After the final PK dosing I`m planning on putting them straight into flush for the last 2 weeks. The Arma`s in the tent had a weeks flush and still all the leaves were a good green colour, whereas I`d like to see the leaves losing colour as they canabalize themselves. After chopping all the tops and leaving to flush another week, you could see the yellowing in the leaves that we all like to see at this stage, hence my plan to flush after the final week of PK for the last 2 weeks.

Yes mate, I`m getting used to the apical dominance control alright, I think! Its something that can be overdone if not careful, and something that can be underdone if not done enough, but I think I`m getting it right, time will tell for sure.

Cheers Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Its always the middle part of the Screen directly in the sweetspot under the lamp that causes the problems, thats why Reverse bowl screens Come with the Grow Tents you see about. They Compensate nicely for this attribute of flat Screens like mine n yours, so we have to compensate by readjusting leading colas. Anyway i dont think a perfectly level screen or rather Canopy is good anyway, a bit of up n down here n there seems to let more light in otherwise shaded out by it being soo level, if you get me, like i said bro, your work so far looks Grand !

 

[Tokesome]

Its always the middle part of the Screen directly in the sweetspot under the lamp that causes the problems, thats why Reverse bowl screens Come with the Grow Tents you see about. They Compensate nicely for this attribute of flat Screens like mine n yours, so we have to compensate by readjusting leading colas. Anyway i dont think a perfectly level screen or rather Canopy is good anyway, a bit of up n down here n there seems to let more light in otherwise shaded out by it being soo level, if you get me, like i said bro, your work so far looks Grand !

Cheers Scrogger. Yeah I`ve been thinkig about having a shaped screen next time around, but not sure how I`d manage that with my set-up. Two of the tree lights, the outside two, are on light mover rails and are on the move, and the centre light I have on a
pole attached to the ceiling and move it from one end to the other on a daily basis. On the centre light there is a sweet spot in the middle, whereas the outside 2/3`s of the screen, under the light movers is pretty even.

Well, when I say even, I mean even apart from the plants at the front of the grow at one end of each rail`s movement, always does poorer than the rest. I`m not sure why, maybe the fans blowing from the corners in is affecting them. The light movers are adjustable for how long they rest at each end to compensate for the sweet spot effect, but regardless of settings it remains poorer at the front edge of the grow. I`d like to get to the bottom of this for the next grow as its a bit of a waste, thinking perhaps some shaping of the screen might help this, but not sure.

It`d certainly be worth it in the middle of the centre row of the screen. It shouldn`t be too difficult to sort out in an organised grow room.

Cheers Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Cool Bro i forgot your lighting Rig was on Movers for the most part, then with training you should have that covered & i can see youve thought about this and planned well. Maybe look into V-Scrogs, but your on LightMovers so you should of already compensated for the Sweetspot effect, MMmmm, No i think youve got it covered bro!

 

[Tokesome]

Day 28

Day 28

Hey guys, I managed to get away for a few days, but not without some digital timer dramas at the last minute. I ended up getting a mate to pop in to check on things and all was cool in the end.

Yeah Scrogger, the two lights on movers do help keep things more even, but you can still see the influence of more light in the centre of things. No doubt it helps a lot though.

The plants seem to be doing fine and continue to bloom. I do still have some concerns about the plants stunting as they did in the last grow around this stage. I can see a clear difference between the way the buds are forming on these plants though and not worried, I just want to see them clear this stage and push on to the finish.

I can see some sort of difference between my current grow and my mates in the tent grow that are at the same stage as mine. Whereas I`m still finding some leaves with the Mg def/lockout look, there are non at all in the grow tent, like there has never been any of these signs in the growtent. This must be something that affected things worse in my grow on the last strain we grew along side each other, although the plants could have done better in the tent, they didn`t do as bad as mine and didn`t have the MG def/lockout signs that mine suffered badly from. I`d like to understand what is causing the difference between the plants in these grow set-ups as it really puzzles me and I`m sure I`d be better off correcting whatever is out of sorts.

Also the tent grow does`nt look as dense when it comes to the leaves, tho I put this down to them being under a 400w as opposed to mine that are under 3x600w lights.

Here`s a couple of pics of the Armageddon at the end of week 4, its hard to believe that these will be near ready in another 3 weeks. It promises to be an explosive time if they do what they say on the tin.

and the Armageddon from above

Here`s a pic of one of the better Grapefruit colas

and the Grapefruit from above

The Grapefruit average height from screen to tips is around 14 inches

and the Armageddon is averaging out around 3 inches shorter at around 11 inches.

So all is looking ok overall. Its the beginning of week 5, which is 3 weeks from the end, given a 7 week finishing time for the Armageddon, but I`d like to make them go 8 weeks so I`m leaving off the heavier dose of PK13/14 for a few days yet.

One thing I`m not content with is the wicking system I have for the extra 4 plants I have at the side of the screen. I think I may have the wicks too long as the liquid does`nt seem to be getting to the pots enough. Its working, but not very effective and I think its leaving the plants a bit short on food and drinks. The liquid is having to travel up two wicks per plant of about 12-14 inches, I think I need to reduce this length some how.

Cheers for now, Toke