2.5x1.8 meter coco scrog, 3 strain bingo!!

[Tokesome]

Hey Dramamind, have you got a thread or some pics to look at, I`d be pleased if I can help anyone avoid some of the issues I`ve had. Feel free to PM me or post a couple of pics up here. Its very hard to predict things without a lot of the facts and figures and decent images to view.

Hey Killer thanks man, hopefully I`m on top of things now, not sure how the Arma`s will do but I believe they`re looking a little better than the last run. All Gf`s next time though if four more come through, I haven`t checked today, if not I got the few hog`s to try.

Hey Gaius, always a pleasure to see you dropping in, thanks. Yeah I know what ya mean, a lot of the time its figuring out what you`ve done wrong fo sho. I do use little cups (bottoms of 2ltr water bottles) that fit under individual pots, I always rinse them out, as for the ec rise in the rez, I just dont know, but figure I fooked it up somewhere. They`ve been well and truly flushed now tho, after the flush and ec1.1 feed, I fed again yesterday evening and forgot to switch the pump off and as a result flushed another 70+ltrs of ec1.1 through them. I`m just filling the rez, gonna aim for ec1.4 including a 7ml per 10ltr of PK13/14.

When I did flush with plain ec0.0 RO water I kept checking the run off, for eg. I`d check the first bit of run off, then a quater of the way thru run off check again, then hal way thru and then 3/4 thru and then the last bits, and I can say for sure that it does take a lot of water, up to 10ltrs in 12/15ltr pots, to bring the run off ec down, in this case to about ec0.4/5.

Hey Gaius, what are your thoughts on the Air-pots? I`m thinking with a very different dial-in to normal pots they could be real winners. I`ve got a set of 4 in various sizes and going to try one plant in a recirculating single size nft tray. I`ve found some interesting reading here at IC, I know there`s a lot of talk about them drying out too quickly, but I think this is when using standard coco feeding regimes for normal pots. I`m thinking to flood my Air-pot with a recirc dripper set up as often as it needs to maintain the correct moisture content even if this requires half hour on/half hour off during lights on and a couple of times during lights off if required. I`m not confident enough to switch the whole grow, especially as I feel I`ve really got the current technique nailed now, well except for the human error, lol, but I like the idea of being able to flood solution over the roots more than is possible in conventional pots, getting somewhere between what I`m doing now and a hydroponic set-up. I used to love Hydro until I was plagued with pythium and made the switch to coco way back when, wow, over 10yrs ago!

Always a pleasure to share on this community we have going here mate, reminds me of Op Overgrow. I stopped using the internet forums after that went down until starting up again here at ICmag. Cant even remember my handle there now. . . . I think it was Bluesdude.

Right I`m off to mix a rez and check if any more of my lil GF`s have popped their roots out.

Cheers, Toke

 

[dramamine]

Hey Toke,
Thanks for the reply. One photo here of the canopy, but I know you can't see much. Maybe you can just make out that one tip that is lighter than it should be. Maybe not...

I'll snap another one or two at lights on today to show what I mean. To me, it really does look similar to what you fought through. Anyway, respect to you.

 

[gaiusmarius]

i like the idea of the air-pots, sounds like they could do real good with heavily fed coco. i'll deffinetly be interested to see how your test goes. in theory it sounds like an ideal pot to use.

btw. i have found it helps to conserve water when flushing if you turn the pump off for 15 mins or 30 mins every 15 mins of pumping, once the water is flushing out evenly every where. i have found that some how gets the ec down with less water. you'll have to work out the times according to your pump. basically you want to give the medium a chance to drain totally during the breaks, then continue flushing and so on.

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Dramamine, I hope I`m right but I think you may be making a drama out of nothing here. I cant see any interveinal yellowing with dark veins, its a very dramatic and obvious sign when advanced. The lighter tips is quite normal, its just new growth and will darken.

Having said that its hard to go by a single photo, and many thought my grow was looking good when I knew I had a serious problem. The new growth, no problem IMHO, if you have any leaves that are showing the signs obviously try to get a couple of close ups, as close up as your camera will take, sometimes better to zoom the lens to medium telephoto and use a macro/close up setting if it has one, most do. If the pics are too bright alter the exposure compensation setting to take it darker. Another good tip for close ups is to put a couple of sheets of white toilet tissue over the flash, being careful not to block any auto focus/exposure sensors. Things look good and healthy to me tho bro.

It`d be helpful to know what medium, nutrient program, including all additives if any and feed strength and frequency. You also mentioned mixing city water ec0.7(eek!) with RO or mineral water, how exactly are you doing this? Why not open up a thread with your grow, I`d be there to help with any worries/problems along with a good few others probably aswell?

Gaius mate, yeah, cant wait to try the air pots, they look well funky! I wanna read up on them and come up with a plan, but it`ll be 5 weeks before I`ll be setting it off with the next grow, although I`ll be vegging one lucky lady in the cloning cupboard in the smaller air-pot before transplanting up. I`m trying to think of a way I can do an accurate side by side comparison test but I haven`t got the space, I`ll just be trying the one under a 400w HPS along side my usual grow. I grow drain to waste now, but that wont be an option for the air pots if they`ll take the amount of nutrient solution flow as I hope they will, so its back to recirculating. I think that recirculating is ok, tho my preference is for DTW, knowing that the ec`s you`re giving is the mix you intend, rather than the possibly misleading readings that can be taken from a recirculating system, ie. that the plants hungrier for some elements rather than others may still give the desired rez ec value, but no longer have the correct balance of nutrients that the plants require. Dunno if that`s splitting hairs tho, I know of many successful recirc. grows and have had years of success with them myself. My plan would be to keep a fairly small rez, 10-20 ltrs so that its refreshed every couple of days.

I know of a couple of people that have tried them, but were feeding them the same as they`d feed normal pots alongside normal pots, they didn`t fair well, doh!

Cool tip on the flushing mate I`ll try something similar, I tend to do mine one by one thru a hosepipe from a separate rez of straight RO water and give each plant an equal share in one go, but I could just as easily go around them all 3 or 4 times for less duration thus letting them run off more or less as you describe.

Good news on the cutting front, another has poked 3 or 4 roots out, so that`s 12 minimum. I could live with 12 instead of 15 of the Grapefruit as they`d soon fill the space, but I suspect I`ll get some more come through yet.

My cloning cupboard is running a 200w envirolight and the temps in there are around 73/4f and the RH is around 50%. I have no ventilation in there, but its quite a big cupboard (you can easily stand up in there. Actually there is always some air movement as the cupboard is the way up to the loft and connected to the main grow room so the large extraction I have going on ensures that some air is pulled through from the attic.

The new GF clones look happy in their new home and envirlnment and the Hogs are able to be fed til run off daily now, although they are in tiny pots til the roots fill out. When I got these, £6 each, they looked kike they`d been neglected and looked like they`d been in 12/12 light cycle for a while, unless they were taken from plants 10 days or so into flower, but they look like they`re recovering well, having a growth spurt and the once brown flimsy roots are now white and becoming more vigorous, just one of the 6 looked too dodgy to contemplate, it still had some brown looking roots and just didn1t look good, I am a fussy fucker tho. I`ll probably keep one for a mother plant and use one in the Air-pot trial. It`ll be the only Hog if I get enough GF`s for my next round. But it should indicate if the Hog will be worth keeping as a mother for a future run.

Shit I`m rambling guys, sorry.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Day 37/63 12/12 pics

Day 37/63 12/12 pics

Hi, just a quick update.

I`ve been in amongst the GF`s today as they`re starting to lean over on each other, and I`ll stand for no slouching in my g.room. I still have some more to do and realising I`m going to have to arrange some higher anchor points for tying heads up to. They have nearly 4 weeks to go yet and there`s no way the stems will support themselves as they pack some weight on.

The Arma`s continue to swell, tho I`m still doubtful they will amount to much.

Unruly Grapefruit.

One of the rows of Armageddon.

First signs of a few pistils starting to turn brown.

There we are, day 37. I haven`t had chance to go in the cloning cupboard today, I`ll check if any more have rooted tmro.

Cheers, Toke

 

[dramamine]

Colas are looking nice, Toke! Thanks for the PM. Peace!

 

[Tokesome]

Cheers DramaM.

Ok guys, I`m finally getting around to giving the girls some molasses for some extra carbs. Its late at day 39 12/12, but I think they`ll benefit all the same. Its just something I haven`t been able to get around to, doh! I`ve mixed 2 desert spoons of pure blackstrap to 12ltrs of RO water, ph6.3 so I`ll drop that with a lil ph down to 6.0. I`ll divide this between the plants half an hour before the second feed of the day.

I spent hours in the room yesterday tying up the Grapefruit and putting extra lines up for tying off to, fookin hours. They`re looking so much better for it, there were a few leaning on each other.

I can see the Grapefruit are fast overtaking the Arma`s in the amount of bud they`re producing, all swelling up nicely. The Arma`s again are looking like they`ve slowed up and don`t look like they`ll be doing a great deal more, its around this time they stunted out last time, and when I see what the Grapefruit are doing it makes me realise that the Arma`s are not doing their thing, some of the most potent weed I ever grown though but it should be 3-4 times heavier in bud I`m sure.

My 11th GF cut was showing good roots yesterday so I potted her up along with two others that just had one root showing on each, thought they`d be better in less humid conditions, bearing in mind the lil buds on them. I thought I`d taken 18 cuts, but it was 17, a further 4 have yet to show any roots. 2 more would give me a full compliment of 15 for the next run.

I expect these clones with buds on are going to take a while to start showing new growth, being 3 weeks into 12/12 cycle when I took them, but has anyone any idea how much longer they`ll take compared to clones taken from a plant in veg?

Also can taking a clone 3 weeks into flower fuck with the quality of the clone, thinking about a mother plant here, as well as my next run.

My current grow has 24 days to go and then probably a week harvesting, so the flowering GF clones have a month under a 200w envirolight to get vegging.

I`ve been giving some thought to my next run, ideally I`d like to run 15 GF`s, knowing them now as I do. But I only have 13 through so far, and two of those only have one root showing a piece so I`m not sure I`ll get 15 from them. Now I`d like to get a good healthy mother plant going from the GF`s too, though this could be taken from the next run whilst in veg.

The other thing that`s been interesting me too, the Air-pots. I was originally thinking of running 15 GF`s conventionally and one Hog in a side test in an Air-Pot, but for the sake of comparison with the conventionally grown plants, I`m thinking it would be best to run a GF there too. I probably wont be able to get that many goers from this one lot of cuts, I`d need all of them to come through strong, so I`m thinking of running one row of the 5 Hog`s and 2 rows of 5 GF`s and one GF in the Air-pot test run. Bit of a pain in the arse two strains, but I could manage it, I have the two 90ltr rez`s split that way for the current grow. Mmm. . . not quite sure tho yet, I`ll have to wait and see how many of the new lil GF`s come on well.

One thing for sure tho is the Arma is now history.

I`ve got high hopes for the Air-pots I can see a lot of sense in them, more feeds etc., but I`m aware there may be some unseen pitfalls getting them dialed in.

Here are some pics taken after tying up the GF`s.

This was the 11th well rooted GF cutting.

Cheers, Toke

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

What up Tokesome airpots are the next big thing i do believe... People are slow to catch on because they are expensive and they are kinda wierd and ackward but i love them... They do dry out faster then shit i really believe the best possible way to run air pots are with Tropf Blumats automatic drippers... I would be scared to do a recirculating drip as salts might build up but a simple test would determine if it does or not...

However i think a drip irrigation is honostly the best way to water coco and blu mats are the best drip irrigation ever invented... and i also think its the best way to use air pots as well... If you have not used airpots yet just wait its amazing what they do you will be hooked for life... blut mats and airpots should be incorporated in any grow in my personal opinion -=]

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey Toke, Lookin Great Matey,
Im trying to see where you have been defoliating mate, but cant really see it anymore? Still must have worked good then if i cant really tell, i'll eagerly await your final analysis on that one!
Airpots look the Biz mate for sure & ive always fancied the Trompf Blumats or however you spell it! Could most definately be the way forward for me, i like the fact they are gravity fed, no elecy etc, Im gonna have to see what Poopy there has been up to with them, i remember seeing those things years ago & thinking i bet they'll be good, I'd run with H&G Drip Clean, looks to be good stuff run with Coco, Salt-Build up preventative & less flushing required etc. Do you use anything like that yourself?
Oh yeah you mentioned is it cool to take Cuts whilst in Bloom, well, i remember reading that it aint good & if my memory serves me well it does have a negative effect & weakens genetics(or plant vigour anyway), cant quite remember what i read, but it stuck in my head as a 'Dont Bother', Id say it would depend on the strain though myself. I see plenty of people getting great results from Re-Veged plants, so i aint sure it makes that much of a difference. Ill have to see what i can dig-up on it bro.
Anyway looks like a Bumper coming your way bro. Just finished my ScrOG', At Long long Last, this one has taken me ages for some reason. Happy dayyz Bro!

 

[Tokesome]

What up Tokesome airpots are the next big thing i do believe... People are slow to catch on because they are expensive and they are kinda wierd and ackward but i love them... They do dry out faster then shit i really believe the best possible way to run air pots are with Tropf Blumats automatic drippers... I would be scared to do a recirculating drip as salts might build up but a simple test would determine if it does or not...

However i think a drip irrigation is honostly the best way to water coco and blu mats are the best drip irrigation ever invented... and i also think its the best way to use air pots as well... If you have not used airpots yet just wait its amazing what they do you will be hooked for life... blut mats and airpots should be incorporated in any grow in my personal opinion -=]

Thanks man, I`ve been looking into Blumat drippers lately, but I got the impression that the Bumat drippers were not suitable for coco, I think I deduced this because they cant be set to give run off, 20% minimum, in my case.

I wonder if you`d explain further if you can in the thread I`ve started on "AIR-POTS FEEDING REGIMES", there`s a link in my signature mate.

For sure I`d flush regularly and change the rez twice a week if in recirculating set up. Normal drain to waste would be to wasteful running off to 20% several times a day.

Oops gotta rush, I`m late, I`ll catch ya in a bit Scrogger

Cheers, Toke

 

[dramamine]

Funny, Toke
That's just what I've been wondering about the blumats, as well. How does drain to waste work with them? If ya gotta do constant hand flushes or something, it's robbin' from Peter to pay Paul: same amount of work/handwatering. Obviously some people are figuring it out, though. The simplicity of the blumats is definitely appealing.

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Toke, Lookin Great Matey,
Im trying to see where you have been defoliating mate, but cant really see it anymore? Still must have worked good then if i cant really tell, i'll eagerly await your final analysis on that one!
Airpots look the Biz mate for sure & ive always fancied the Trompf Blumats or however you spell it! Could most definately be the way forward for me, i like the fact they are gravity fed, no elecy etc, Im gonna have to see what Poopy there has been up to with them, i remember seeing those things years ago & thinking i bet they'll be good, I'd run with H&G Drip Clean, looks to be good stuff run with Coco, Salt-Build up preventative & less flushing required etc. Do you use anything like that yourself?
Oh yeah you mentioned is it cool to take Cuts whilst in Bloom, well, i remember reading that it aint good & if my memory serves me well it does have a negative effect & weakens genetics(or plant vigour anyway), cant quite remember what i read, but it stuck in my head as a 'Dont Bother', Id say it would depend on the strain though myself. I see plenty of people getting great results from Re-Veged plants, so i aint sure it makes that much of a difference. Ill have to see what i can dig-up on it bro.
Anyway looks like a Bumper coming your way bro. Just finished my ScrOG', At Long long Last, this one has taken me ages for some reason. Happy dayyz Bro!

Well as I`ve been saying the Armageddon the Armageddon will be disappointing in yeild, they look fine on the photo`s, but they`re all minuturised and not bulking up well, increasing number of hairs going brown and receding. This was to be expected tho.

Wow that`s bad news on the cutting in flower possibly damaging the genetics, I thought I`d cracked it getting the next grow sorted and a mother to keep, you`ve made me very wary tho now mate, can you remember where you got that info bro, I`ve not come up with much on a search, well lots to wade through but nothing relevant so far.

Yeah I`m liking the idea of Airpots, cant wait to do the test next run.

I use Ataclean to avoid the drippers clogging up, 1ml per 10ltrs, I guess if it stops salt build up in the nozzles it may have some effect in the medium, but it doesn`t claim this on the bottle so not sure if it has the same affect as the drip clean you mention, does that actually break down the salts in the medium?? I`ve wondered what effect, if any, that it has on things like Trichoderma and Cannazym?

Great news you got yer xcrog going again bro, any thing going on outdoors, apart from the start of the mushy season?

Hey DramaM, yeah, looks like the Blumats might be worth investigating, if the idea of getting the right moisture content and say a weekly or twice weekly flush along with the drip clean that`s been mentioned.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Hey Scroggr, I put a question up in the Growers forum asking about the possibility of genetic inteference and the general opinion (1oo% so far) say that its fine and many take cuts into flower with no problems whatsoever, other than a longer period for them to change back to vegging, and the fact that they may not look too pretty to start with.

My confidence that I`ve saved the Grapefruit is up there again.

I think I will go with the plan of 2trays of 5 Grapefruit, and 1 tray with the 5 new Hog clones I`ve acquired. Along with the single Grapefruit in the Air-Pot comparison test run. The reason for this becoming a firmer decision is that no more of the remaining 4 cuttings are showing any roots so I cant raise enough for the full grow. The bonus is I`ll get to see how the Hog perform, I`ve heard great things about it.

Cheers, Toke

I dont understand how Blumat gravity drippers can keep well drained coco wet enough, must be something to do with no run off and using flushes and drip clean to keep salt contents in the coco down. Hopefulluy Poopy teabags will elaborate. Its definitely something I would like to consider. Raising a res for gravity feed would be no real problem and seems too good to be true, no pumps or timers and the plants get exactly the amount of moisture they require all the time.

 

[Tokesome]

Hey guys, just to give an idea of scale to my pics, this is one of three, significantly bigger colas, as you can see against the clipper lighter, its not that impressive. They should really be getting towards big baseball bats by now. They wont grow much more now either, its getting a bit late for this strain.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

They Look Nice though mate, Real Trichy. If there were loads of them that size then id be happy with buds like that, pretty much what i expect in my Scrog, Just lots of em. Shame that mate cause it looks Top-Notch. Theres a bit of swell to come in those as they finish up yet bro. Looks Shoeweeet.
It was some time ago when i got that info on taking cuts whilst the plants are in bloom, think it was Ed Rosenthal, why i took notice. I always take cuts in Veg anyway, I dont see any problems with doing it in early bloom, i see people re-vegin etc with fine results, so not sure the extent of visible loss's if any. I'll get on that one now, see what i can find. Or maybe i did eat too many Srooms that day lol, it makes sense to give the plants a smooth run, so i can understand why its better.
Yeah the Blumats are lookin Good man, ive always wanted to give them a go, never heard a bad thing about them tbh. Im sizing up the Coco for the Next run, so if these things are the nuts then i'll have to invest in a little Rig. Sure i'll be asking Poopy a few Q's here n there, Sounds the way forward, minimal maintanance etc, set the flow n go, i like the idea of that.
I think your GF's look mustard bro, looks can be decieving so i hope she weighs in for you, how long are you leaving these go now man?

 

[Tokesome]

Yeay dude, its seriously good smoke the Arma for sure, the heaviest stone and aferlag I`ve ever grown. They produced poorly last time in the sgrog too mate, remember, I think it was something like 13 or 15oz, and I cant expect any better this time mate, either I have something here that nobles my plants or bad/unstable genetics. I prefer the slightly (slightly being pretty accurate) less heavy Grapefruit with its warm mellow feeling similar to what you`d expect from a fine hash along with the bang of the green. I expect the GF`s to produce fairly well 4-5oz per plant, good buds start a good 2 and a1/2 feet into the canopy.

It should be a good comparison with the scrog method here buddy as I had the same set up last time, 2 rows of Arma`s with a row of GF`s in the middle. I reckon at a guess that the conventionally grown plants will be doing that little bit better, but its always difficult to estimate to that degree.

Chop date is three weeks today mate, though the Arma`s will be well ripe by then, that`s cool, I like the heavies narcotic stone of well matured weed, unlike the early chopped shit ya`d by on the street.

Yeah the Blumats are looking good going on what poopy is saying re the lack of salt build up in the coco, and I dont doubt him, it makes sense and of course he`s got the experience, but it still takes a little time for the brain to even start to think about no run off and no flush, but I`m gradually feeling braver about it, I`d like to know what a plant uses literage wise in comparison with feeding say once or twice a day to 20+% run off as is the norm, or a comparison with a recirculating system.

I`m going to give the plants the higher dose of PK13/14 this coming week, probably about 12mls per 10lts, with total nutrient strength of ec1.4 for the GF`s and ec1.2 for the Armageddon. After that I`ll drop the feed strength over 4-5 days and flush RO water for the last 7-10 days.

I`m currently giving a dose of molasses every other day, two good desert spoons to 12ltrs water, split between the 15 plants half an hour before a feed. What do you think to that guys, not sure if its the best way of applying it, but I`m assuming once the feed goes into the pot half an hour later that it`ll weaken down the strength of the molasses but wont flush it all out of the pot. Does that sound about right to you guys? I mean its fookin sticky stuff and just cant see it being washed out of the medium without a very hefty flush, and then I`d still think there was some in the root zone.

Cheers for now, Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Well well, 3 more of the remaining 4 cuttings are showing decent roots. Woot woot! That give`s me 16 and a free choice whether to go for a full Grapefruit grow next time around, including the air pot test, or a mixed grow with the 5 Hog clones I have.

Taken 3wk into flower on the 12th sept, 5 came through after just 9 days followed quickly by another 5, then a few days later another 3 and now another 3 on the 1st of oct, 19 days after taking them.

I`ll keep an eye on them all and make the call a little nearer the time once I`ve established how they`re doing roots and growth wise.

The Grapefruit that are 19 days from the chop are continuing to swell up and are looking very impressive.

I still cant understand why the Arma`s are doing better in the grow tent under a 400w than they are here in my grow, a bit different in bud spacing and structure too, although they were more mature plants that had been scrogged. I still have suspicions that I may have some off gassing issue that is now being masked to a certain extent by the upgrades I made to ventilation a couple of grows back.

The GF`s are handling the room well though, but I think some GF`s will go in the growtent next time around just to see if they fair any better. Its difficult to get to the bottom of an off gassing issue as there are so many plastics, mainly soft ones I think, that have the evil shit (to plants at least), certain phthalates that are platicisers, and of which at least one was giving the off gassing problem with grow tents and more recently with some black plastic feed piping made by "N-G-W.com", which is printed all along the pipe for easy identification! There`s a thread running here at ICmag forums about it. The company are resisting complaints and refusing to do anything about it, in fact , dont quote me, but I think the company are threatening some legal action. . . . ****s! Forum member U-G-U has a thing running with them, do a search and check it out guys, and rep the dude up!

My friend`s shutting down the 2 grow tents for a month or so, work needed on the property, but yeah GF`s will be in there next if these clones from flowering mothers do ok.

Cheers for now, a stoned Toke

 

[dramamine]

So you come by your name honestly, then? hehehe

Toke, do you think the Arma's just do that much better if they're vegged longer? It'd be very interesting to see what happens with the air-pots. Big ups again on saving your Grapefruit. Awesome!

 

[Tokesome]

Aye, maybe mate, and on both grows they should`ve done a good bit better. You`ll be able to see what I mean when I photograph them individually on their chop days. The GF`s will have roughly 60-70% more bud. The Grapefruit last time yielded as I`d expect a good plant to do in an average good grow (my old standard) and was very happy with it, but it is only what they should all be doing in this set-up, and the Arma`s aint cutting it. I`m not stressing about it though mate, it was expected from this run going on the run before and I`d been stupid enough to give a load of GF cuts to a friend, thinking the Arma`s were going to do well, leaving myself with just the 5 GF`s, otherwise I`d never have given the Arma`s another go. Consolation is as I said ultra heavy smoke.

The mother`s been taken out of the veg cupboard, its in a very sorry state and is fucked, in fact I`ve never had such a fucked up mother. I`ll post a pic later or tmro if I can get over the embarrassment of even letting it survive til now.

I`m sure there is a little more than meets the eye, despite the GF`s doing well, so it`ll be interesting to see how the GF`s do in the grow tent in a month or two`s time.

Cheers, Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey Buddy,
Yeah that mollasses is bound to leave something behind, the drip clean might be useful there too ah,thatd be handy. Talking of Off-Gassing, im having a few suspect issues showing there face in the early stages myself bro, just come off the CFL's to the Growlux & having a hard time of it, or so it seems, they should take off fine but im seeing pre-lim Nute def's(Mg possibly)i dont normally see. ive adjusted the EC to compensate the extra light output etc, so fingers crossed they'll stop that & start behaving themselves. they havnt been treated how id of liked & if it wouldnt of been soo close to crimbo ive of started again & lost 4 wks. With a bit of luck these things will take off: time will tell!

I really wanna give Coco a go on my next run, Im really impressed what ive seen with it!
lol,hooray, someone got there arse in gear.