150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[DiscoBiscuit]

J23, that's a nice plant. When to flower might be your best estimate, based on stretch. I've seen recommendations of 75% full screen in veg. As the theory suggests, stretch fills the rest of the screen. I've grown a few scrogs and had wide degrees of stretch.

Your plant looks like the nodes are nice and compact. Left to grow as is, stretch would likely be more pronounced. Flattened out beneath the screen, not so much. If your stems are somewhat pliable, they'll work easier. But close nodes are sometimes easier to break, causing more stress.

IME, tight nodes are tougher to scrog than lanky ones. But it can still be done. A full, flat layout might benefit from culling excess fans. With only one plant, shade from fans ain't as bad as two or more shading each other. But excess fans may impede air flow.

In the event your plant is difficult to flatten beneath the screen, you could morph scrog and LST by tying branches to the screen from above.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

FULL BOX run here:

Sk#1 and Rezdog strain (forget which).
Light is on! I am NOT going to pull them out till the end!
note many differences in setup.



expecting more than 1.0 gpw
If I can keep mold loss down, should easily surpass 1.0.

If you can see the light, you are wasting LUMs!

A Rez vert in action. Sounds like top-shelf.

 

[J23]

DB: Thanks. I'm already trying some LST + I'll wait for more screen fill...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

FULL BOX run here:

Sk#1 and Rezdog strain (forget which).
Light is on! I am NOT going to pull them out till the end!
note many differences in setup.



expecting more than 1.0 gpw
If I can keep mold loss down, should easily surpass 1.0.

If you can see the light, you are wasting LUMs!

thinkin, do you trim your plants and if so, where?

 

[thinkin]

-Disco

Trimming is a great idea but, decided against doing alot.
The process of pulling them out and in causes too much damage vs upside of light penatration.

At this point, only a small amount of trimming was performed.
Plants have grown together. No way i can safely pull the rezs out.

Only choice -I could be mean and burn the leaves on the cool tube..
(turn cool tube fan down from 12 volts to 6 volts.)
Eh good idea?

Future:
Lazy susan with DIY reservoirs should solve this mobility problem.
next run..

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Just curious. Good idea about the susan. I've got about the same headroom limitations in a horizontal grow.

 

[asstastic]

shamelessly displaying a little grower's pride.

Here is last day view. It was solid yeild. Last of Perpetual run.
Sk#1

nice grow do u have a journal if not you should start one i would love to see some more pics

 

[thinkin]

grow nerd

grow nerd

Disco-

I had the lazy susan laying around. Pineboy inspired me to actually install it. Until i realized space issues.

Vert light actually limits the height of plants. (plants dont like growing past the light)

Rezdog strain is a BEAST! super aggressive grower! 3X as fast as the SK First time a plant has hit the top of the cabinet.

After stretch is done, i plan on raising light and lowering SK rez.


Assastic-

No journal yet... I am a nerd. I wrote my specs up months ago.. Never posted. Maybe someday soon. I plan to present more of a snap shot view. Of course, some bud porn will be involved.
fyi -Two Yielders on (our) left side of picture yeilded 2.2 z each!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Disco-

I had the lazy susan laying around. Pineboy inspired me to actually install it. Until i realized space issues.

Vert light actually limits the height of plants. (plants dont like growing past the light)

Rezdog strain is a BEAST! super aggressive grower! 3X as fast as the SK First time a plant has hit the top of the cabinet.

After stretch is done, i plan on raising light and lowering SK rez.

I know what you mean, bro. I'll have to scrog these if I decide to grow em again.

 

[thinkin]

DAM YOU MURPHY!

DAM YOU MURPHY!

disco-

Murphy's law is always in effect.
HPS Bulb just died! (I was thinking this could happen!)

extraction is going to be huge pain!
plan on removing 1 girl to extract light.

Guess i can trim now..

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Sorry to hear. Hope it works out for the best.

 

[ketalargold]

aeroponic grow under 150 watts hps

aeroponic grow under 150 watts hps

hi everybody!
I've ordered a GHE aeroponic system (1-5 pots),this is the picture:
I took this one because of the price (I had it for 80 euros instead of 109 plus postal fees) and ecause of the dimensions (43x43x43cm)
I need some suggestions now (I have a 150w hps plus a few CFL)

1)how many plants if from seeds?how many if from cuttings?
2)in case I'd want to change the 150w light and ballast,which should be the best choose?Is 400w with cooltube enough or too much for this setup?


The kit is 43 x 43 x 43 cm,with 45 liters tank capacity.

Thanks in advance for any tips,suggestions,comments...
Am I part of this club now?

Greetngs from Italy.Enjoy growing,enjoy rolling,enjoy smoking!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

hi everybody!
I've ordered a GHE aeroponic system (1-5 pots),this is the picture: View attachment 106472
I took this one because of the price (I had it for 80 euros instead of 109 plus postal fees) and ecause of the dimensions (43x43x43cm)
I need some suggestions now (I have a 150w hps plus a few CFL)

1)how many plants if from seeds?how many if from cuttings?
2)in case I'd want to change the 150w light and ballast,which should be the best choose?Is 400w with cooltube enough or too much for this setup?


The kit is 43 x 43 x 43 cm,with 45 liters tank capacity.

Thanks in advance for any tips,suggestions,comments...
Am I part of this club now?

Greetngs from Italy.Enjoy growing,enjoy rolling,enjoy smoking!

Hey bro. That's a nice rig. It would be hard to estimate plant numbers due to strain variation. Another way to regulate overall size is the duration of veg period. Some sativa dominant varieties might challenge your ceiling and need substantial training. My next run may go 12/12 from seed because they get too big otherwise.

Baba Ku might be the one to lend tips on your 400 plans as well.

Welcome to the 150 club.

 

[Baba Ku]

That does look like a nice little deal there.
So, it is about 17" cube, and has 5 spots. If it were me, I would run that puppy under a screen with 4-5 plants. With multiple plants you fill up the screen pretty fast and still get some good veg time in.
If you run plants with a light overhead sog style, the system is a bit small and they will be very close together. The best bet in the situation I think would be to flower all 5 out real early each run. Like from seed to 1-2 wks.
With plants so close together, you would need to train them and pull them outward and away from each other to get good light penetration. But that is a small step for a stepper.

Do some thinking, and figure out what you want to do, and we can help you.
Not knowing what your box or space is it's hard to give many recommendations.
But, yes you could do all the above with either a 150 or a 400...you just may need to adjust things accordingly.

 

[jpizle]

Whats up 150 crew! Been a while since I've posted so thought I would post a few pics. Been keepin up with the thread, lookin good everybody.

Heres the new cab. Its 18x27x48, like it alot better than the tiny one I had before. Already wishing I had even more space though, think a 400W lumatek and a SJ tent are in my future.

Got the ol 150 in there with 2 2ft T5HO as side lighting.

Sorry bout the shitty camera. All these plants are 12/12 from seed. The tall one is from a female that hermied on my first grow. Is it true that fem hermy seed will all be female? If so,cool I got more. Anyway others in small cups are random bagseed.

How I cured my hermy problems(hopefully)


Thinking of making my 150 cab a veg/clone/auto room when I get the 400 up and running. Dying to get my hands on some auto seeds but it looks like diesel ryder, which I want to try first, is sold out everywhere. Anybody know of any in stock? Regular preferably so I can make seed. Anyway enough rambling, take care everybody.

EDIT-If it is true that hermy seeds are female. Could I just get fem seeds and force one of them to hermy and get more seed that way? Does it hurt the genetics or make the bud less potent?

Thanks
pizle

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Hi jpizzle, good to see ya round. I'll defer to the dude (BK) on your question.

 

[StupidBoy]

The tall one is from a female that hermied on my first grow. Is it true that fem hermy seed will all be female? If so,cool I got more.
EDIT-If it is true that hermy seeds are female. Could I just get fem seeds and force one of them to hermy and get more seed that way? Does it hurt the genetics or make the bud less potent?

Thanks
pizle

Yes, seeds from a herm plant make all female plants. BUT, unless fem seeds come from a breeder and the genetics are stable, there's a huge risk that those plants will be herm and you'll end up with terribly seeded bud. I can tolerate a nanner or 2 late in flower. For the most part they're sterile (no pollen) but herms in my room are culled quickly and w/out mercy LOL.

 

[Baba Ku]

jpizle, it shouldn't matter if the females came from fem seeds or regular seeds. They will both do the same thing.

If a female expresses hermie and gives pollen without any severe stress, then it holds the intersex gene in dominance and will more than likely pass it on to a high number of it's progeny.

If the female plant doesn't show intersex (hermie) through the grow, then you could use a solution to treat a cut of that plant to force it to make pollen. CS and STS are most common. See, it is very likely that a plant that does not show intersex, even with a little bit of stress like light schedule change or nute overlead, then that plant more than likely holds intersex in latency and probably will not pass the trait in dominance to it's progeny.

The best situation is to find a female that doesn't show intersex at all, until you force it with a solution which simply imitates an extreme amount of stress.
It is best if you can find another female sister that also doesn't hermie easily and needs to be stressed. Use the pollen of the first girl to pollinate the second. And you will have some female seeds that should not have the hermie trait in dominance.

 

[jpizle]

Thanks for the input BK, but you kinda went over my head. I'm still a newb LOL. Maybe I worded it wrong...

The big one is from a seed that came from a female(which was bagseed) that hermied about half way through flowering on my first grow. Got about 12 seeds from an ounce harvested, so it wasnt an extreme hermy situation. Liked the bud, hermy 'n all so I kept the seeds. The current one has been flowering about 3 weeks and no sign of nanners/balls.
I'm pretty sure the hermies were caused by stress from my shitty intake at the time(not lightproof) and not the plants genes. Also, when the plant was little I dropped it doing a transplant and like a third of the roots got ripped off. So with all that stress, I doubt it was genetic.

So, I guess to simplify my question, can I simply force a female to hermy with light pollution during the dark cycle, instead of with chemicals? Dont know what CS and STS even are, LOL. Way more advanced than I can handle yet. Just want to know if I can cheat and make seeds(fem seed at that) without having to grow a male out n collect pollen n such. I guess I already know you can, BUT does it degrade the genetics/potency of the next generation when making seeds this way? Want to keep this strain going and make it my own later down the line when I'm more experienced when I can cross breed it with a known strain male.

Thanks and sorry for my ignorance
pizle

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

jpizle, here's another example.

Let's say you have two females in your tent. One is stable and one throws a nanner. Seeds from the nanner plant are likely to produce herms. If the so-called stable plant were indeed stable, so would be it's seeds.

Folks more familiar with the process might intentionally stress the so-called stable plant (with the chemicals Baba Ku mentioned) prior to selection for fem breeding. If the stable plant doesn't herm, it's theoretically a good breeding candidate. It's intersex trait might be buried deep enough to not be triggered from typical, environmental stress.

Here's where the debate lies, that proven stable candidate and it's progeny's propensity to herm . Some breeders recognize the fact that a successful process will give successful results. Others aren't sold on femmed beans for several reasons. Some might not buy x-y chromosomal aspect and others say it's "unnatural". Well, so are veal calves, lol.

My scenario only assumes the so-called "stable" plant is such. I could get herms down the road that had nothing to do with a nanner from another female if the so-called"stable" plant wasn't selected well.

Introducing stress from chemicals is controlled. Environmental stress not so much. If your parent was stressed with light leaks, you might encounter progeny troubles if and when they're accidentally exposed to the same type of stress.