TeaHateSea
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Interesting thread.
Great grows by all but the hostility per watt ratio is whats most curious.
Great grows by all but the hostility per watt ratio is whats most curious.
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justDoinme
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Has anyone used this fixture from HTG supply I want to know if its worth the money. http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=53025
TeaHateSea
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I had one for about 3 years and it worked without fault. I went digi and gave it to a friend and he has been using it for another 3 years. My digi fried itself and I have since gone back to magnetic ballasts.
justDoinme
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Picked up a prefab cabinet from lowes Let me know what u guys think, The back panel it came with was worthless so i put together a new one thinking i may paint it flat white or just go with Mylar all around. Got it all caulked and sealed, and made all edges light proof with weather striping. Ordered this http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct...roductID=53025 light set up and trying to find a good exhaust and carbon scrubber to pair with it. The dimensions are 11 1/2inL X 22inW X 27inH Figure ill loose about 4in with the light and about 8 with the 2liter pots leaving roughly a 1ft and some of growing space. Planning on going passive intake through the bottom,And gonna start with Lowlifes auto AK any insight will be appreciated i got a couple pics of current progress and will update as I progress.
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AcroPhobic
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Exactly. I'd use a razor blade to cut roots, then lightly tap soil away, then repot in homemade compost/peat/perlite mix in a 3 gallon pot. Everytime I did that I'd give Superthrive and high P fert to reduce shock and grow roots quick. A matter of days before it was back to normal. And about the lowwer wattage, I was using around 30 watts of CFL psf in 2x2 space to "get by" without growing too fast and outta control, as I only wanted constant clones from that plant. 4 sq ft = 120watts total .. plant was a bush from constant cutting of clones, if needed be, Id simply hack off branch after branch to trim it up again. Light cycle was 16 on - 8 off for that plant.
Well I was originally planning to just use a veg and a bloom fert with no other additives. Are they(micro nute additives) absolutely necessary for cab growing(short plants)?
I will cough up the dough if they are, just dont want to get too complicated with mixing this and that together, spending alot of time f'n around with PH, etc.
So what would you guys suggest as a cheap additive to mix with to your regular bloom ferts?
Thanks
Jpizle
justDoinme- Definately get a good fan dude, trust me....
I will cough up the dough if they are, just dont want to get too complicated with mixing this and that together, spending alot of time f'n around with PH, etc.
So what would you guys suggest as a cheap additive to mix with to your regular bloom ferts?
Thanks
Jpizle
justDoinme- Definately get a good fan dude, trust me....
1 tsp blackstrap molasses per gal of feed water will help to feed essential nutrients and usable sugars to the plant, and will also help to feed the medium.
30ml H2o2 per gal of feed water will provide a heavy dose of oxygen to the roots and will help to rid any bad bacteria or pests in the medium. It also can be used as a foliage spray to enrich the leaves with oxygen.
Both of the above items can be found in the grocery. (BS molasses $3, Hydrogen peroxide $1)
My advise is to leave the hydro shop additives in the bottles.
I'll be sure to pick some up next time I'm at the grocery store HD, thanks.
Can either molasses or peroxide be used during veg? Or are they just for flowering? Seems like it might be a good idea to use the peroxide during veg atleast.....?
Anyone got any DIY reflector schematics? Thinking of building like a bat wing style reflector or maybe even a cool tube setup for the next round, kind of makes me nervous just having a bare hps hanging.
Seedlings are about 3" tall now, just starting to see the first set of real leaves comin out. Is there any kind of minimum number of nodes to flower? I am wanting to flower at about 6-7" to keep them managable, is that too little? Will try to get ahold of a digital cam for flowering and (hopefully) harvest.
Jpizle
Can either molasses or peroxide be used during veg? Or are they just for flowering? Seems like it might be a good idea to use the peroxide during veg atleast.....?
Anyone got any DIY reflector schematics? Thinking of building like a bat wing style reflector or maybe even a cool tube setup for the next round, kind of makes me nervous just having a bare hps hanging.
Seedlings are about 3" tall now, just starting to see the first set of real leaves comin out. Is there any kind of minimum number of nodes to flower? I am wanting to flower at about 6-7" to keep them managable, is that too little? Will try to get ahold of a digital cam for flowering and (hopefully) harvest.
Jpizle
Both are fine for use during veg. Don't over do anything.
Well dudes, plants have pretty much stalled, little seedling leaves on both are yellow and the single blade leaves on the smaller seedling are turning like a rust looking color with a lil purple tint(?) and getting kinda crunchy like they're dead. Bigger seedling looks OKish. Neither have grown at all in the past 4-5 days or so. Should get my EJ grow/bloom in tomorrow so I'll give them a lil shot of the grow and see if they perk up. Also was thinking it coiuld be a PH problem but dont know since I'm dead broke and cant get a tester right now. Guess thats what I get for using cheap dollar store soil and MG Perlite(added ferts).
Any thoughts? Gonna try to get atleast one of these to survive, if not I'll wait till the winter when I work a seasonal night job and can put enough money into it to do it right...
Any thoughts? Gonna try to get atleast one of these to survive, if not I'll wait till the winter when I work a seasonal night job and can put enough money into it to do it right...
Seedlings need to have a pretty benign growing medium. The soil you used is probably way too hot for germinating seeds and burnt them up.
Feeding them grow and bloom will seal the deal and finish them off.
Don't feed your seedlings anything at all until the cotyledons are yellowed and withered.
Folks have great luck using Jiffy peat pucks, as they have zero in them but peat. The soil you put the pucks with the sprouts in should also be very neutral.
Feeding them grow and bloom will seal the deal and finish them off.
Don't feed your seedlings anything at all until the cotyledons are yellowed and withered.
Folks have great luck using Jiffy peat pucks, as they have zero in them but peat. The soil you put the pucks with the sprouts in should also be very neutral.
So I guess all I can do for now is just wait and see if they make it?
While we're talking about it, you know of any soils that can be used pretty much as is? Like maybe Pro-Mix or something? Just straight out of the bag, and then add nutes as they get bigger or should I mix something up with perlite(no added ferts kind), soil, and maybe bone meal? Or would bone meal in the soil mix still be too hot for seedlings?
Thanks for all your help HD, appreciate it.
pizle
While we're talking about it, you know of any soils that can be used pretty much as is? Like maybe Pro-Mix or something? Just straight out of the bag, and then add nutes as they get bigger or should I mix something up with perlite(no added ferts kind), soil, and maybe bone meal? Or would bone meal in the soil mix still be too hot for seedlings?
Thanks for all your help HD, appreciate it.
pizle
Fox farm has a seedling mix.
Any garden center should have a seedling mixture.
I would estimate the the number one new grower mistake is overwatering, and a close second is overfeeding.
If you have a decent medium, many strains and hybrids will grow just fine without adding anything at all. Fox Farms ocean forest is a great mix that has goodies in it. Most anything will veg and flower in it without adding a thing.
But always let seedlings get established and start some leaves before you feed them anything, and then start out with 1/4 strength nutes only...if at all.
Many will claim different, but for me...many of the bloom boosting super soaks and other assorted adds are nothing but a waste of big money and a risk to healthy plants.
A good balanced healthy medium is all that is really needed.
Any garden center should have a seedling mixture.
I would estimate the the number one new grower mistake is overwatering, and a close second is overfeeding.
If you have a decent medium, many strains and hybrids will grow just fine without adding anything at all. Fox Farms ocean forest is a great mix that has goodies in it. Most anything will veg and flower in it without adding a thing.
But always let seedlings get established and start some leaves before you feed them anything, and then start out with 1/4 strength nutes only...if at all.
Many will claim different, but for me...many of the bloom boosting super soaks and other assorted adds are nothing but a waste of big money and a risk to healthy plants.
A good balanced healthy medium is all that is really needed.
Think I might give the jiffy pellets a try, seems like I should be able to get them locally and cheap. Think I will give FF a try later in the year as well, gonna mess around wtih a few different soils and see what I like best. Let yall know how it turns out with the two seedlings.
Anyone else got any 150W stuff goin on? Pics? Anyone?
Jpizle
Anyone else got any 150W stuff goin on? Pics? Anyone?
Jpizle
TeaHateSea
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I have no idea what motivates you towards FF but if its the organic approach then I would reconsider the Jiffy's. The Jiffy pellets always have a plastic mesh that holds the peat together. I try to reuse my soils or at least compost them for landscape projects and the little plastic shits were always a nuisance, hence my switch to coco.
I've used Jiffy pellets for numerous years with great results but I have recently been amazed with my results in coco and it really does seem to be quite easier in comparison.
Best of luck to no matter what you choose though......
I've used Jiffy pellets for numerous years with great results but I have recently been amazed with my results in coco and it really does seem to be quite easier in comparison.
Best of luck to no matter what you choose though......
Not really dead set on FFOF, especially since its $20 a f'n bag but I have heard of alot of people using it with good results. But wouldnt it be a bad idea to start seedlings in it? With the already added ferts and all?
Think I will give the pellets a shot though, called around and can get them locally for cheap so I'll grab some on pay day. Why couldnt I just cut off the nets before I put put them in bigger pots? Thought I read that the Jiffy 7 brand pellets DO have some ferts already in them, have to check into that..will also try pro-mix with a little bone meal mixed in at some point too.
Both seedling actually seem to have perked up a little bit today, guess I'll know in a few days if they'll make it..
jpizle
Think I will give the pellets a shot though, called around and can get them locally for cheap so I'll grab some on pay day. Why couldnt I just cut off the nets before I put put them in bigger pots? Thought I read that the Jiffy 7 brand pellets DO have some ferts already in them, have to check into that..will also try pro-mix with a little bone meal mixed in at some point too.
Both seedling actually seem to have perked up a little bit today, guess I'll know in a few days if they'll make it..
jpizle
Im using FFOF right now for my first grow and it worked PERFECT for a soil. I really couldnt have asked for more. comes with enough ferts in it to last about 2 weeks, which is great since im always worried about burning the lil babies when they're young. Then I use FF nutes(growbig/tigerbloom) and they have worked great this whole grow as well. I wish I could have gotten the bigbloom from the get go, but ill hopefully have it for my next grow, which im going to try with hempybuckets.
I have 2 plants going right now in a flower tent, under 2 150w hps lights. plan on getting a 400w then using the 150s for vegging. they worked way better than I was expecting, and would suggest anyone to grow with 150's. hopefully ill have some pictures to contribute with in a few days. they're at day 25 of flower today.
I have 2 plants going right now in a flower tent, under 2 150w hps lights. plan on getting a 400w then using the 150s for vegging. they worked way better than I was expecting, and would suggest anyone to grow with 150's. hopefully ill have some pictures to contribute with in a few days. they're at day 25 of flower today.
TeaHateSea
Member
Correct.
Because you don't want to potentially damage your newly established feeder roots.
FFOF is good but I agree, the price is absurd. There are plenty options out there that can yield equally as good if not better results. Spend some time on the "Organic Fanatics" and you can find some great ideas also. Promix isn't a bad option either, I used it for years before experimenting with other medias. I have never found anything as simple and cost effective as coco though. I wish I had switched years ago......
peace.
Didnt have any problems whatsoever starting seedlings in Ocean Forest. Seedlings need small amounts of nutes and thats what the OF is good for. The only complaint i have about FF, seems to be the lack of calcium and magnesium in its products, meaning its a good idea to get calmg+ if you plan on using the FF line.
looks like i need to get a new 150w bulb too today, mine has been cutting out like every 10 minutes or so and it appears to have blackening at the ends of the filament.
looks like i need to get a new 150w bulb too today, mine has been cutting out like every 10 minutes or so and it appears to have blackening at the ends of the filament.
TeaHateSea
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That's great that on your first grow you didn't burn your seedlings but the general consensus from much more experienced growers than you and I combined is that it's high levels of N can burn seedlings. I have burned seedling and cuttings both in FFOF and I have had a few lucky ones make it but i wouldn't recommend for anyone starting out to take that gamble when there are easily obtainable and much more reliable alternatives.
As Hoosierdaddy previously mentioned Fox Farms has a seedling specific mix, I believe it's Light Warrior but most garden centers have similar low nutrient options that will work also.
