150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[sir.smokealot]

tks for the quick reply vin

i would like to try hydro, i see dr.d has a thread on a bubbler bucket that looks simple enough for a newb like to try,what you think?

thanks for the advice vin & thanks inadvance to everyone else willing to help tihs newb out

 

[Pipedream]

A simple bubble bucket is a great way to try out hydro. A single station can be put together for about 10 bucks U.S. plus the cost of your light. Of course, you'll also need nutes and other assorted tools and items to do the job right. Keep in mind that while hydro is a great way to go, a soil based grow can be a lot more forgiving for a new grower.

One last thing, after safety, always remember the three most important rules of growing.....1) Tell No One 2) Tell No One & 3) Tell No One!

Best of luck, and welcome aboard!

 

[igrowdadankest]

Hey everyone just a tiny update a sativa is showing sex and its female amaizng for how much stress i had it in.At first i thought it was a Hashplant long story short wouldnt you know its bagseed Owell this will give me practice for my HB that will be getting here soon.I plan on posting pics but i have not been able to get batteries(those damn digi's use batteries quick as shit).I have a 150 watt HPS Flurlux system.

 

[sugabear_II]

hey SBII, i think im going to go ahead and go for the "stadium grow" in my dual 150w hps cab that you suggested. I have one question for you.
Should i run the lights right off the roof of the cab, or should i lower them somewhat so that they are more level with the plants? I was thinking just running them off the roof so that they would have something to grow up to, and so that the very tops would have light once fully stretched.

Thanks for any help!

I'd start with them with the arc tube mid way between the top of the planters you will use and the roof of the cabinet with the ability to adjust upwards later in life.

Im Starting up a gow with some hashberry from seed with a 150 watt hps.I will be posting pics on here once i get the grow box up and running.This will be my first indoor grow ive had a few good harvests outdoors but now am switching to indoor growing in a small space thats 2x1.5x5 feet.Does anyone have anyideas on how i should grow them sog scrog and also should i prune for more buds and does that make a flater canopy.On the outdoor grows ive done i just planted the seeds and checked on them i didnt ad nutes hell i didnt evan water them but still got good smoke and yield.Ive never done anything fancy to the plants so that why im asking.

igrowdadankest - welcome aboard

looking forward to seeing some hashberry growing - I started 2 seeds for a friend but they both turned out male

I take it your setup is 5 feet tall?

With that much height and a sqaut strain like hashberry I'd say you can get away with out training too much, especially this first run from seed.

That is unless you're planning on having the top half be a veg/clone area. Then I'd say scrog.

When you've selected out your mom and are ready to start running clones then I'd either go SCROG or SOG, however SOG does increas the number of plants you grow which may increase penalties depending upon where you live.

Much will depend upon how the hashberry comes out for you - I've been watching Levikutz (sp's) hashberry journey thread and he got a really sqaut plant in soil with a little LST - if your's are similar and you grow soil it may just make sense to SOG a bunch of clones in those little 4" square pots.

as for trimming leaves and prunning it really depends upon whether you go SCROG or SOG - both have specific methods of pruning and there is information on doing that in threads if you search.

Ok here is a list of the supplies that im using.
Cabinet=50$
150 watt hps=61$
Mylar(Don't have it yet)
Intake fan(Don't have it yet)
outake fan(Don't have it yet)
oscilating fan=10$
Fox Farm's Ocean Forest=20$
ph pen=20$
Hashberry seeds=28$

I still havent decided how to grow them i was thinking sog and leaving a male in there so i can get some seeds but i dont know.Any help with on how to grow them and the easiest way for a first time indoor grow would be helpful.I might make a thread or i just may post the pics here.I'll get some pics when i get more batteries for my camera.

Igdadank,

you can always go white paint for the walls instead of the mylar.

you don't need an intake fan - we all do passive intakes with an active exhaust


don't skimp on the exhaust fan. this may be the most expensive element of your setup. As some have suggested a larger inline fan (centrifugal - like a fantech or vortex not the $20 duct boosters at homedepot) with a speed controller will be the quietist and most powerful. A squirel cage blower can also be used but will be louder. Folks also have good luck with computer fans - but me I always recommend going with a strong fan cause I like surefire solutions.

Don't forget about carbon filtration on your exhaust - I like the CF Can 2600 filter and have run one of these for almost 2 years without an issue

http://www.wormsway.com/detail.asp?sku=CF0062

Otherwise you can make one yourself - just check out the DIY link o-rama (link in my signature) for ideas

Either way plan out exhaust and odor control now or you will go through some pain later.

You can skip the PH pen and go with a simple dropper kit (get the general hydro one that comes with ph up and down - not the fish tank type). Especially if you're growing soil I would recommend saving the money on the PH pen. I personally bought the TDS meter (PPM) first and used the dropper kit for a while in hydro very successfully.

I would not do an uncontrolled pollination (i.e. leave a male in there) in your cabinet as there will be pollen for years to come turning your sensi into seeded. If you decide to make some seeds then just take the male once identified and before he has shed any pollen and put him in a closet or box in another room or something - in a few days when the pods have opened you'll see little yellow stamen with pollen on them. Take the selected female out of your cabinet into the room - then go to the closet where the male is take a que tip or small artist paint brush or even your finger and collect some pollen on it (you can see it) then take the pollen and brush it on the white pistals of your female. It doesn't take much to make a lot of seeds. I'd say one brushing like this will easily give you 50 or more seeds. and you will have avoided future on wanted pollinations.

Helllo all, quick question.

I was wondering if any of you that use a carbon filter and a blower type fan could comment on increased fan noise due to higher back pressure and the scrubber its self. Is it significant? minimal existant? My particular blower becomes significantly louder when it faces back pressure due to the nature of its design.

Thanks!

Lemon - mine got quieter because I was pushing into the filter - but my filter was very free flowing.

Greenhead that is a nice looking canopy you got going !

hello everyone

i've been looking around ic for a few days now and yall have your shit together here some more than others. i like to smoke,but the prices are killing me. so with that said, i have a few question.
1) would anyone be willing to help me along & help my tweak my ideals?

Yes I think we're all willing to help here

2) how do i join the 150 club?

you just joined - welcome aboard! now you just need to get the 150 and you'll be a full fledged member

ps: i'm not dumb, i just never Grown before & i would to start

well there's ton's of info here and people willing to help
IF i can suggest my own thread on cabinet growing for a read
SugaBear's Den(click here)

or pipedream's setup is a good one to check out as well.

-suga

 

[sir.smokealot]

thanks for the cab link sugabear II, i will be reading it the whole thead.

ok i understand the bucket system now & plan to start with just 1 bucket with 1 plant to start with.
question, 5gal. or smaller? & will any kind of hydro nutrients work, if not what brand or kind should i be useing when i get started?


thanks again guys

 

[Pipedream]

Bucket size is a personal choice. 5 Gallons is a very common size and tends to have enough room and liquid to be fairly stable (PH and Nutrition wise) and have plenty of room for root growth. On the other hand, you can go small if your space dictates it, but it does take a bit more work to stay on top of things. My buckets are only 5 quarts/liters in size and never have moe than a gallon of liquid in them at most. There are lots of good nutes out there and almost any of them can give you good results once you get them dialed-in. I'd start with a one-part powder till you have a bit more expreience with them. It helps to keep things fairly simple.

 

[sugabear_II]

sir.smokealot,

I found 2 gallon buckets were an nice size for the 150 growing

I have tried a few nutrients and personally really like General Hydro Floranova as it is very concentrated, organic based, and complete.

-suga

 

[Siddartha]

I'm gonna try my first time with 1 150w HPS in a 3ft x 1.25ft x 4ft (tall) space (for flower, veg space is in top of cab), but restricted to half, so 1.5ft x 1.25ft. I wanna try a 2-plant soil scrog in 3 gal. grow bags first, then on the second grow, if the first one goes well, double it, so the same setup twice, in the same cab. I'm going to look at stuff at local hardware stores this week, probably should be building/built in the next 2 wks. Sorry, no digicam or else I'd take some pics so ya'll can correct my n00b ass. I'll see about borrowing one or something. Thanks for all the knowledge I've absorbed so far, and thanks again in advance!

 

[greengnome]

??? lol

Anyhow, no need to guess how much it will cost you.

1. Go find an old electric bill and find the price you're paing for electricity in $__ per kWh

2. Take the number of hours you plan to use the light per month and multiply it by 0.15

3. Take the result of step 2 and multiply it by the result of step 1. That is exactly how much it will cost.

2.90 a month 12/12 ! Rock and roll thanks for this excelent post

 

[soxx16]

i just got one. a 150w hps that is.

 

[Guest]

soxx, glad to hear it, can we expect a thread in the near future

 

[sugabear_II]

i just got one. a 150w hps that is.

schweet

 

[King Hippo]

i just got one. a 150w hps that is.

GREAT investment. Have fun!

 

[Pipedream]

I can feel the warmth of the light and love already.

And let there be seeds................

 

[Ganico]

Anyone tried one of those tiny CAN-705 scrubbers? They require a 39cfm fan, but I can't find a blower fan that small, and a computer fan wouldn't work on a scrubber I don't think

They look good though, and only $35. I've been interested for a while, but can't find a suitable fan. Kinda makes me wonder why they made them with such an odd CFM rating like that

 

[igrowdadankest]

Ok i got me seeds from Mandala and planted one in some mg organic but i flushed it before i planted it so it doesnt burn it.I am getting some FFOF I think next week and will transplant them in that after awhile.I have some questions though i started the seed in a party cup cut 1/4 of it off.I want to know when i need to transplant it i will be putting it in 3 quart pots till 8" Then i will transplant it to a 3 gallon pot till harvest.I'll get some more pics up tomarrow.I still am going too buy two fans and an osclating fan.The fans im getting are 500 cfm my ballast is attched to my light so it gets 100 easy in there without any air and Mike from Mandala also suggested that becouse of heat issues he said i could of used the littlest fan i could of found but since my ballast is attched i should get good strong fans.I am just going to get flat white paint instead of mylar I only have too spend 180$ to get everything else i need si by the end of the month it'll be set-up and complete.I had some of those capsule ph testers and they are very unreliable for me so im going to get a 20$ ph pen.Mike also said not to prune Hashberry why wait extra veg time just to not have the main cola?I'll be fine with the room i have they shouldnt get more than 30" if i flower them at 8" he said and if one happens to do it just tie down the main cola slightly.I hope i can get some pics up but my Digi uses batteries like i smoke weed.

 

[Shove_it]

general view of the 150 hps whit 20 of flowering


all plants fert whit organics products...some of them`ll cut at 60 days other 70 days an then wait for Destroyer x jamaican*destroyer and Jamaican Blue Mountain like 80 -90...of course some other clones are waiting the same way..some black jack, mazar x g13/hp, super haze, colombian black ,thai x afgankush, Bigsiego, cascadia, herijuana
hope enjoy pic

Saludos desde Chile
libertad para maria

 

[sugabear_II]

shove it - nice frigging canopy man that is a very healthy looking bunch of flowering ladies - how many plants in total? I counted 10 strains you list - dang - can't wait to hear what kinda yield you get running that many clones

igrowdadankest - wow looks like you've been busy - 500cfm exhaust is quite strong - I expect you'll be employing a speed controller of some sort? 134cfm was more than adequate for my 150 pushing through a scrubber.

Ganico - I originally looked at that smaller filter for my cabinet - I probably would have gotten it except that they didn't have it in stock and only had the 2600 in stock. I wouldn't get too caught up in matching the cfm ratings for the fan and the filter. As I remember the 2600 was rated at 94 cfm and I pushed through it with a 134 cfm fan. I also pushed through it with a 265 cfm fan but found that to be too much for it to handle (also the 400 watter and 6 plants versus 150 watts and 2 plants was too much for the 2600). Then I got the next size up which is the 9000 which is rated at 118 cfm - but I was pushing with the 265 cfm dayton blower - worked just fine and controlled odors well. In retrospect I might have upgraded to the can33 filter since it would have provided more airflow and helped a bit with temps.

So I guess what I'm saying is don't be afraid to mate that CAN-705 with a larger cfm fan than the specified 39 cfm - based upon my experience I would think you could use a fan up 80 cfm or maybe even more. I think if you got the right computer fan you might be able to make it work with that fan - or you could use two computer fans side by side drawing air through the filter - i.e. go from the filter to a square duct with two fans pushing out.

Give it a shot - I'm sure you'll get it right with some tweaking.



-suga

 

[ReeferDan]

An option for you to think about if you want to go SOG would be the stadium type setup with your lamps hanging vertically down the middle (like pendant lamps) and a row or two of plants on either side. Do a search on HP Stadium by NortherFarmer and you'll see a large version. see if you could do something like this. I bet with eight 1 gallon plants in two rows of 4 down the 29" side and then your 2 lamps down the middle would yield very well. Here's a diagram of what I mean. You'd have plenty of room down the middle for your ducting if you decided to stay cool tubed or you can just put a strong fan on the lamps and probably be alright




Just check out NorthernFarmers setup and see how the lights hang in the middle - same level as plants so all the lumens go directly to the buds - he rotatates the plants weekly or something and gets very close to 1 gram/watt with soilless mix and hand watering. Just think that could be close to 10 oz per harvest off of your 300 watts every two months.

just my .02 as that is what I'd do.



-suga

Sugabear, i quoted your post because i really like the picture you drew. Ive pretty much almost completed this design. THe only thing to add to this drawing (or your mental image) would be a 4" circle hole in the middle of the two lights where ive placed a 4" vortex inline fan to pull the exhaust out.

Ive got my 2 150w hps lights wired up right and working! My cab is still in two pieces and im waiting for the "liquid nails" to dry so i can paint the inside and then fix the two cabinets together. I should be painting 1 coat saturday and one sunday, then i'll put the cabs together monday and try to attach everything. After that all I'll have to do is figure out my intake. Anybody have reccommendations? I was going to do PVC pipes, but i think that will be too restrictive for my 4" vortex fan. Maybe just 1 big 4"x8" hole in the bottom of the cab? What's the best way to light proof something like this? Use baffling? Any help with the intake idea is very much appreciated this is the only thing where i remain stumped!

The last, most exciting thing left for my cab is for me to find out which strain im growing. I dont know which cuts will be at the club when i go to get some, so im very anxious and excited for when the day comes that i go pick up some plants to put in this cab! Im going to be running the "moonshine man soil mix" in this cab so that it'll be easy to feed and water the plants. Just give em 6.5ph'd water.

I'll post up pics sometime next week of the finished cab so that you guys can see what ive been working with.

Thanks sugabearII for the inspiration on the cab design! I think its going to work out nicely!

 

[sugabear_II]

Sugabear, i quoted your post because i really like the picture you drew. Ive pretty much almost completed this design. THe only thing to add to this drawing (or your mental image) would be a 4" circle hole in the middle of the two lights where ive placed a 4" vortex inline fan to pull the exhaust out.

Ive got my 2 150w hps lights wired up right and working! My cab is still in two pieces and im waiting for the "liquid nails" to dry so i can paint the inside and then fix the two cabinets together. I should be painting 1 coat saturday and one sunday, then i'll put the cabs together monday and try to attach everything. After that all I'll have to do is figure out my intake. Anybody have reccommendations? I was going to do PVC pipes, but i think that will be too restrictive for my 4" vortex fan. Maybe just 1 big 4"x8" hole in the bottom of the cab? What's the best way to light proof something like this? Use baffling? Any help with the intake idea is very much appreciated this is the only thing where i remain stumped!

The last, most exciting thing left for my cab is for me to find out which strain im growing. I dont know which cuts will be at the club when i go to get some, so im very anxious and excited for when the day comes that i go pick up some plants to put in this cab! Im going to be running the "moonshine man soil mix" in this cab so that it'll be easy to feed and water the plants. Just give em 6.5ph'd water.

I'll post up pics sometime next week of the finished cab so that you guys can see what ive been working with.

Thanks sugabearII for the inspiration on the cab design! I think its going to work out nicely!

sounds like you've made some good progress and I can't wait to see the idea come to fruition.

On the intake you can consider the pvc elbow light traps which are described in my sugabear's den thread. or another option is darkroom louvers - these are air intakes designed for darkrooms here's an older thread here at ICMAG about them

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=50711


and one of the links in that thread worth checking.

http://www.adorama.com/DKL82.html?sid=11700794674128228