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150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......
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One Gypsy Gum. Give a few shots before I chopped her. 
COCOPUFF said:
You might have trouble with your 150 HPS then, because 2 oz a month is quite a bit. If you figure that on average, you'll veg for 1 month and flower for 2 months, then you'd need to pull 6 OZ from your harvest.
6 OZ is about 170 grams, which is more than 1 gram per watt. Sorry, but your 150 is just not gonna cut it, if that's the amount you're looking for.
BoB91 - nice work and congrads on your first full grow 
the bud will be soo much nicer than anything you've smoked, I know you're hooked now 
Well I'm going to disagree with greenhead slightly and say that 3-4oz (or even more) every two months is actually very achievable with the 150 as long as you have an optimized setup and most importantly a separate veg area.
It doesn't take long growing with the 150 to see the need for a separate veg cabinet. I built a nice little veg cabinet out of a $12 closet maid cabinet available at most walmarts plus a few CFLs and a couple of computer fans. Having this little 11.5" x 11.5" square footprint provided me with enough space to keep a mom or two and provide enough clones to keep the 150 cap on continual flower cycle.
When I was running all out I routinely pulled 3oz harvests every 9 weeks off of 2 plants scrogged under a 150. And my cabinet is more rectangular than square. I think when properly done a square footprint (20" x 20") with 4 plants scrogged on a perpetual cycle will hit the 2oz every month mark.
If you want the added challenge of a vertical grow check out the prenda setup where four plants are scrogged around a 20" diameter cylinder of chicken wire with the 150 hanging in the middle. He routinely pulled 140-150 grams (5oz) per harvest every 10 weeks.
Oh and on your strain selection... many come to mind, I would think you need an indica for sure given your need for sleep and chemo nasua relief, both of which I have found indicas best suited for (not chemo specifically but nasua for sure). From there it depends upon price. At the low end mandalas hashberry seems to be pretty nice. Anything with NL will probably be a great strain to have, I know Dr. Atomic is supposed to have the best NL.
Also with an indica strain like I'm thinking is best for you an extended veg time is called for as they won't stretch as much as a sativa or indica/sativa mix.
good luck
vintner I'm digging that 150 at $20 bucks how could you go wrong?
-suga
the bud will be soo much nicer than anything you've smoked, I know you're hooked now COCOPUFF said:
Well I'm going to disagree with greenhead slightly and say that 3-4oz (or even more) every two months is actually very achievable with the 150 as long as you have an optimized setup and most importantly a separate veg area.
It doesn't take long growing with the 150 to see the need for a separate veg cabinet. I built a nice little veg cabinet out of a $12 closet maid cabinet available at most walmarts plus a few CFLs and a couple of computer fans. Having this little 11.5" x 11.5" square footprint provided me with enough space to keep a mom or two and provide enough clones to keep the 150 cap on continual flower cycle.
When I was running all out I routinely pulled 3oz harvests every 9 weeks off of 2 plants scrogged under a 150. And my cabinet is more rectangular than square. I think when properly done a square footprint (20" x 20") with 4 plants scrogged on a perpetual cycle will hit the 2oz every month mark.
If you want the added challenge of a vertical grow check out the prenda setup where four plants are scrogged around a 20" diameter cylinder of chicken wire with the 150 hanging in the middle. He routinely pulled 140-150 grams (5oz) per harvest every 10 weeks.
Oh and on your strain selection... many come to mind, I would think you need an indica for sure given your need for sleep and chemo nasua relief, both of which I have found indicas best suited for (not chemo specifically but nasua for sure). From there it depends upon price. At the low end mandalas hashberry seems to be pretty nice. Anything with NL will probably be a great strain to have, I know Dr. Atomic is supposed to have the best NL.
Also with an indica strain like I'm thinking is best for you an extended veg time is called for as they won't stretch as much as a sativa or indica/sativa mix.
good luck
vintner I'm digging that 150 at $20 bucks how could you go wrong?
-suga
sugabear_II said:
Oh, I agree with what you're saying. My answer was based upon just growing in one cabinet, including veg & flowering time. If a seperate veg cabinet and a mother is kept and clones are used to flower, then I'll fully agree that it is doable.
Space is tight for me, but I'm looking into getting some kind of small cabinet myself, it would be great to keep a mother around, and just pull clones off of that, and keep the 150 HPS flowering all of the time.
What kind of ventilation do you have in your veg cabinet ? And what wattage CFL do you have on that mother ?
BoB91
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Thanks greenhead and yeah it does feel good but I just hate the wait for dry. I have a concert tonight dave matthews and the Wailers and I have no goods. I wish there was a quick dry that could preserve the taste, smell, and high of a nicely cured bud. oh well.
Once again thanks sugabear. You have been the most respondent to my posts and it is greatly appreciated now I just have to ask more question. Now i really am looking forward to my mmm#2 plants. The smell they are giving off is rancid but sweet at the same time esp when the stems are rubbed. Hsving some trouble with ph I beleive and the right amount of feeding..
Also there is the fact I left two plant in one pot with only the pot half full of soil because I ran out. Oh well they will be small but probably better smelling and tasting than the gum.
these are also growing about twice as fast as the gum! And more trics I beleive.
Once again thanks sugabear. You have been the most respondent to my posts and it is greatly appreciated now I just have to ask more question. Now i really am looking forward to my mmm#2 plants. The smell they are giving off is rancid but sweet at the same time esp when the stems are rubbed. Hsving some trouble with ph I beleive and the right amount of feeding..
Also there is the fact I left two plant in one pot with only the pot half full of soil because I ran out. Oh well they will be small but probably better smelling and tasting than the gum.
these are also growing about twice as fast as the gum! And more trics I beleive.
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bob : it's not too late to transplant, but be gentle . i might be tempted just to leave it though. either way, with all the flowering tops you have showing there you should have an excellent crop !
greenhead : you will love having a seperate veg. cab. i read a thread last night where the grower had only 1 x 19w cfl for his mother plant. i use 3 x 23w for mother/cuttings/vegging plant and if it's not too busy in there i only have 2 of them switched on. due to the lower wattage veg. cabs are quite easy to cool.
greenhead : you will love having a seperate veg. cab. i read a thread last night where the grower had only 1 x 19w cfl for his mother plant. i use 3 x 23w for mother/cuttings/vegging plant and if it's not too busy in there i only have 2 of them switched on. due to the lower wattage veg. cabs are quite easy to cool.
greenhead said:....
What kind of ventilation do you have in your veg cabinet ? And what wattage CFL do you have on that mother ?
I use two of these pci expansion slot fans powered off of a single universal replacement type AC/DC transformer.
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=cat3&product_code=50063202
One fan was mounted in a rectangular hole at the top right in the picture so that it blew out the back as an exhaust, the other was for air movement. Using a replacement universal type AC/DC transformer allowed me to adjust the voltage and in turn the temps in the cab. This was great for clones and seedlings where I'd turn down the voltage and get warmer temps.
For lighting I put in one of those single ceramic sockets on the upper left hand side. I used one 20 watt daylight cfl some times and most times I would add a Y connector and run 2 x 20 watt daylight cfls. I also ran it with a 30 watt daylight cfl as well as one 20 watt and a 30 watter. I even ran it with a single 45 watt warm white as a mini flower cab one time.
keeping it cool was a snap most of the time. I had a single 1.5" inside diameter PVC elbow light trap as an intake in the bottom. I also cut out a section of the shelf to let air flow.
-suga
sugabear_II said:
Thanks for the reply. Great info ! I have my exhaust fan in my current cab under a speed control, and I agree that it's great to be able to adjust the fan speed when needed. I usually turn it down at nighttime when lights are out, but that's mostly for noise reduction rather than any temperature reasons. I already have plenty of CFLS lying around, so the only thing I'd need for a veg cabinet is a couple of fans and the cabinet itself.
And thanks to greengrow also for your reply.
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tiny_rabid_bird
Member
well, it's finally happened. after coming here, reading, and daydreaming for the past two years, i think i've finally taken a definitive step towards starting my own grow. I bought a cabinet/dresser off of craigslist for 20 bucks today. I think i'm going to turn it into a stealth grow cab. It seems like it should be real easy to take off the dresser drawer faces and fasten a door behind them. I also have a small speaker that i've converted into a cab that i was going to do a micro grow in, but after having gotten this cab for such a good deal, i think it'll make the perfect stealth mother chamber.
so here's the scoop. the inside dimensions are 44"h x 42"w x 15.5"d. that's 16.6 cubic ft, and 4.5 square feet. what i had in mind was two 150w HPS + several supplemental CFL bulbs. I was thinking two 150w instead of one 400w because it's so long that i don't feel 1 bulb would cover the length like 2. i've already got five 105 cfm 4" AC axial fans on the way, 3 of which are for sure going in the cab, possibly 4 (i need to keep on for the mother chamber). I'm not sure if i want to do air-cooled hoods, cool tubes, or a box design like red_greenery's yet. However, i am pretty sure i'm just going to do soil (foxfarm ocean forest, perlite, and coir), fed with PBP grow and bloom, maybe supplemented with some molasses or something during flowering.
obviously this needs to be stealth, so i want to know your thoughts on sound, heat, and light. The fans are rated at 48 dbs. I'll either mount them with rubber grommets or suspend them with bungies and attach them with flexible ducting to cut down on sound and vibration. I'll also probably put a fishtank on top of the cabinet.
thoughts? comments? do you think dual 150w hps is a wise choice over a single 400w? I'm also trying to think inexpensively. I was going to go through e-conolight. Do they have discrete shipping? i've heard of someone getting a box with HPS light advertisements on the outside, that would not be good.
so here's the scoop. the inside dimensions are 44"h x 42"w x 15.5"d. that's 16.6 cubic ft, and 4.5 square feet. what i had in mind was two 150w HPS + several supplemental CFL bulbs. I was thinking two 150w instead of one 400w because it's so long that i don't feel 1 bulb would cover the length like 2. i've already got five 105 cfm 4" AC axial fans on the way, 3 of which are for sure going in the cab, possibly 4 (i need to keep on for the mother chamber). I'm not sure if i want to do air-cooled hoods, cool tubes, or a box design like red_greenery's yet. However, i am pretty sure i'm just going to do soil (foxfarm ocean forest, perlite, and coir), fed with PBP grow and bloom, maybe supplemented with some molasses or something during flowering.
obviously this needs to be stealth, so i want to know your thoughts on sound, heat, and light. The fans are rated at 48 dbs. I'll either mount them with rubber grommets or suspend them with bungies and attach them with flexible ducting to cut down on sound and vibration. I'll also probably put a fishtank on top of the cabinet.
thoughts? comments? do you think dual 150w hps is a wise choice over a single 400w? I'm also trying to think inexpensively. I was going to go through e-conolight. Do they have discrete shipping? i've heard of someone getting a box with HPS light advertisements on the outside, that would not be good.
I was thinking about this, for a vertical grow. The problem I ran into was diameter. You figure with those drums you have at most 23" across. Take out about 3-4" for the space the light occupies immediately, then 4-5" more for air gap. That leaves 16-13" for buds and for a gap to train buds. I think it may be feasible, but it seems like it would be easier to grow flat in one of those rain barrels or drums or whatever. I dunno I'm at the place where I need to choose what light and get it soon. I have money saved and whatnot. It's down to either the "150-in-a-barrel-vertically" grow or a "250-in-a-cab-horizontally" grow. The first is very appealing based on initial investment.COCOPUFF said:
What does the rest of the 150w Club think? I'm trying to yield enough high-quality meds for me and occasionally some friends, so like at least 1.5oz per mo. would be sufficient. I will have a veg cab and hope to set up something perpetual or at least alternating. I'll be in soil using msm and RO water. I will start from seed this time, likely, but have no aversion to clones. Being able to hide the smell and sound is quite important, but it's likely that no one hostile will ever be in the same room, AND it should be really quiet anyway.
Help me, 150w HPS Club, you're my only hope!
tiny_rabid_bird said:
First congrads on taking the first big step!
well your foot print does sound like it would work well with two side by side 150's - at less than 5' tall a 400 would probably be a bad idea - also when I did a 400 cabinet I found it hard to fit in the correct orientation (bulb perpindicular to long side of cabinet) with 20" depth I had to hax saw the reflector. So yes two 150's would be good.
I don't have any experience with the fans you're using - are the computer type ones? I tend towards using more expensive fans of either blower style (like my 134 cfm dayton which was also used by ngb) or people love inline fans like the fantech on a controller as that is queit as all get out.
To keep smell under control you really need a good DIY carbon filter or a professional can one and either way you'll need a strong fan to push or pull air through.
Using a cool tube or box like red-greenery is a way around this as you don't need carbon on your lighting exhaust - but I think you already knew that
I guess the deal with econolight is that you get the box and it says "150 watt HPS flood light or industrial light or whatever" - basically it says what it is. If you live in an apartment and your landlord might see it - he might think it strange that you were buying a flood lamp or security lamp of that kind. Otherwise you're golden - or maybe you can say it's for work or to go install at your parents place. Either way you'd have to understand that a flood light could be used to grow weed, and most people just don't think that way (except us).
Places like HTG supply and other "hydro stores" are pretty stealthy and have no indication of what's inside on the box.
Lowes and some other home improvement stores (rona in Canada for example) have 150 watt hps flood lights but at a bit more than econolight.
Given you will be running two of them I would suggest checking into the venture ballasts which come with capacitors and greatly reduce the current drawn as opposed to an uncapacitated ballast. There is a link to them on the first page, they're about $10 more.
-suga
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cab
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goodwill or st vinnies sometime have free standing closets 4' x 1 1/2' x 5' if you find a crappy one there cheap or go to Bring in Springfield and get a fiberglass shower don't know the price but bath tubs are like $10,they also have pots in all
sizes for pennies,pm me and I'll give you directions
By the way Im going to votepower clinic on Friday so I should be legal then
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goodwill or st vinnies sometime have free standing closets 4' x 1 1/2' x 5' if you find a crappy one there cheap or go to Bring in Springfield and get a fiberglass shower don't know the price but bath tubs are like $10,they also have pots in all
sizes for pennies,pm me and I'll give you directions
By the way Im going to votepower clinic on Friday so I should be legal then
tiny_rabid_bird
Member
For odor i planned on making that DIY can carbon scrubber that seems to be the standard.
the fans i've got are these http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/4WT33 . I got a deal, 5 for $40. hard to beat that price. Plus, each fan is rated 105 cfm, so if i have like 3 of them in the cab, it seems like it should be able to keep the heat under control.
I really do think that red_greenery's box would be the simplest solution to the light encasement, instead of making 2 individually sealed off reflectors and running ducting. also, i wanted to see if i could supplement my lighting with some of these http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=54905 (if they have them at the big lots near me) because i trust pipedream's judgment in this matter. the thing with the coolbox design though, is that i can't adjust the lighting height. so i'd have to install some kind of shelving, but i wonder if that'd become too difficult to adjust when the plants get big.
i looked at the businesslighting place to take a look at venture ballasts. is venture just a brand name or what? and approximately how much power would it save me going that route. also, the quad tap http://www.businesslights.com/150w-venture-quad-tap-hps-hxhpf-ballast-kit-p-36.html , i'm under the assumption that quad tap means i could feasibly hook 4 sockets up to it if i wanted, right? Of course I'd only hook up 2, but i want to make sure that's what that means. And assuming that i can hook 2 sockets up to that one ballast, i'd need that ballast, 2 sockets, 2 lamps, and some extension cord to remote ballast, correct? Is there any benefit of mogul base to medium base or vice versa?
sorry for all the questions, just trying to make sure i've got my stuff down. thanks for taking the time to help out.
the fans i've got are these http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/4WT33 . I got a deal, 5 for $40. hard to beat that price. Plus, each fan is rated 105 cfm, so if i have like 3 of them in the cab, it seems like it should be able to keep the heat under control.
I really do think that red_greenery's box would be the simplest solution to the light encasement, instead of making 2 individually sealed off reflectors and running ducting. also, i wanted to see if i could supplement my lighting with some of these http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=54905 (if they have them at the big lots near me) because i trust pipedream's judgment in this matter. the thing with the coolbox design though, is that i can't adjust the lighting height. so i'd have to install some kind of shelving, but i wonder if that'd become too difficult to adjust when the plants get big.
i looked at the businesslighting place to take a look at venture ballasts. is venture just a brand name or what? and approximately how much power would it save me going that route. also, the quad tap http://www.businesslights.com/150w-venture-quad-tap-hps-hxhpf-ballast-kit-p-36.html , i'm under the assumption that quad tap means i could feasibly hook 4 sockets up to it if i wanted, right? Of course I'd only hook up 2, but i want to make sure that's what that means. And assuming that i can hook 2 sockets up to that one ballast, i'd need that ballast, 2 sockets, 2 lamps, and some extension cord to remote ballast, correct? Is there any benefit of mogul base to medium base or vice versa?
sorry for all the questions, just trying to make sure i've got my stuff down. thanks for taking the time to help out.
