12/12 FROM SEED WORKS!

[Guest]

yeah well, ive never done it. but ive gone to 12/12 adter 2 weeks and ended up with plants over a ft and a half .but your right, that would be alot of seedlings...

exactly, id say if you must go this route then you prolly dont got much vertical space.

If you used clones though......differant story. 15 females easy. but this is for seed.....so yeah I dont know. Like I said It all really comes down to what you got planned in your head and what kinda outcome you want.

 

[TNTBudSticker]

12/12 works for me..beats the 3 months deadline

sex in 25-27 days..then 55 days flowering

In the middle of flower,I would ramp up the lights 14 hours on/ 10 off for one week with C02 to relive stress and it's to increase yeild... Buds like alot of light but it grows at night.I did this experience with a clone SourQueen and it was no slouch in the yeild Dept

 

[ganja guido]

some people really need to chill back with micro grow bashing, it kinda fuckin makes me not wana come here sometime, how about u just do ur own fuckin thing, not evernon on here is open to why there doing the grow there doing, so people with big grows are selling it, somepeople have small grows cuz they dont smoke much, or they need to keep it stealth from family or friends, so just shut the fuck up and let people do what they wana do, I can understand that u wana let the newbs know they can produce more bud in diff circumsatances but wow, all you micro bashers piss me off. It's almost as bad as someone bashing you for smoking pot. So stop questioning why people are doing the grows there doing and give some help instead, im really dedicated to getting this site more micro friendly, cuz alot of the US people are leaving cuz u fucks bash hard on micro grows, and comon now guys, i think we all know why alot of US members are going micro ........... so they can be safe, so let them be, and stop trying to push these guys into setting up a bigger grow that could eveuntally have them knocked

 

[TheEmperor]

well, i got 46g total from that plant!!! drybuds and a few seeds in the lower branches buds!
A little more of what i expected, hehe
I cant tell much about from the smoke unless a bit chlorophyl on it, wich is normal at this stage, because tasty buds is a thing that only a good cure can acomplish.

I prefer to grow stealth and on a budget, using only one room, one lamp, less nutes, less water, less electricity, probably more yields per square feet, less time from seed to smoke, no time wasted on clones that will have less potency in time (cloning can be a lot tricky for a newbie, believe me).

TNTBudSticker that looks very nice buds man, were they straight to 12/12 from seed?

 

[ganja guido]

stoney i wasnt throwing that post in your direction at all bro, just the whole entire fourm, I dont care who did what for what, everone here on this site (well mostly everyone) puts into the comunity, like for instance When i first came in to og fourms i didnt know much about growing, however I could give anyone a quick fix for a ghetto rig for those people who arent that good with using there imagination and are not that creative I.E hanging lights or lightproofing or even building a box, or cool tube, everyone helps each other, or at least we try. And bro please dont put words in my mouth, ive never said clones were les stealthy than seeds, I actully agree with you on the seperate veg/flower chambers, but like i said im just tired of the fact that people dont know the situation behind peoples grows, and i feel that its unessicary to know, dont grill micro growers wit questions to as of why there growin micro, just help them grow bud ! I got a buddy who wanted grow bad but his roomate wasnt comfortable with the big c-13 setup chillin i the living room, so i threw him the idea of 12/12 from seed in a small garbage can, he presented it to his roomate, and he accept because of the size and stealthness, now my buddy gets to watch what he tokes everyday grow rite before his eyes,and isnt that what its about, hell if i never learned about growing id probly stop smoking a long time ago !, and like i said some people do question why people grow micro, to help people out cuz possibly they are not aware of other types of setups, but what pisses me off is that its like a fuckin chain reaction, once someone says "why are u growing in such a small area, your not gona get much yeild" you get about another 10 assholes who ask the same question and who needs that ? also now that i think of it, the words u put in my mouth well keep them there, cmon bro whats more stealthy 10 seeds stuck inside a peice of cardboard thrown in box of scraps, or 10 clones in a bubbler in a rubbermaid, you understand what im saying, for some people that one rubbermaid can be a hazzard, basicly to each his own . btw lets just say were only x it's away in life heres a hint TP.GSP.psp. Im shure you can decode that ! btw how yaa dooin ? ahahah

 

[turtle power]

Hehe Grow styles are different. In the nl, we pregrow a couple days and put "clones into flower". On the other end of the sea, most growers pregrow at least 4 weeks to grow big mommas(maybe choose a mother and take cuttings)

The idea here is that u can grow with seeds just like with clones and yield more? Hehe this seedplant yielded more then commercial clone growers can dream off...

Not all people have the room the keep a mother, and maintain clones. Just because maybe they lack the skill to do it.

Also little seedplants are easier to keep alive ... Less nutes needed.

The fact is if your getting 46g from a seedplant thats pretty damn good, proud man proud Especially since only 400w been used. In my opinion compact plants can yield quite well compared to their size because the light can penetrate everywhere while if you grow bigger plants, the genetic potential for bigger yields is there but then your limited because of the lack of light.

 

[MinceMan]

Short on time

Short on time

Ok I have a couple questions. One, do you just eye the nutes and start the flowering nutes when you first see buds or what. The main thing though is I'm running out of time, I'm moving out on the 1st of Augest and into an apartment with people I don't know so I assume I wont be able to grow, I just want to get a little extra product. If I were to put these 12/12 from seed to harvest in my flowering box, keeping them suspended so there top meet the tops of the other flowering plants(that I just started to flower when I put the seeds in) will that be ok or are the flowering plants too sensitive to males that there is no way they would be caught in time or (since I'm a new grower) is there no way I could pull the males in time. Also I do have some fem seeds so should I just use them instead to be safe?

 

[Nikijad4210]

Good question! When do you start ferts with this method?

 

[ganja guido]

yea emperor sorry for the blog, awseome lil grow ya got goin on there

 

[TNTBudSticker]

TNTBudSticker that looks very nice buds man, were they straight to 12/12 from seed?

Yes they were..been doing 12/12 since I started,Started 12/12 to keep the height under control of some sativas.Lifesavers and SourDiesels..I would read about some strains and then get them if the strain stayed under 5.5 feet and start them 12/12 with varying timing up to 14 hours On during the 4th week flowering.Me starts the Nutes of flowering 2-3 week

 

[ganja guido]

tnt how tall did she get ? and how many weeks did she go for ?

 

[TheEmperor]

I started feeding them on the 4 week with 1ml/l canna flores and 1ml/l canna vega, because the plant started to show signs of n def by the end of the 3 week. I started low and then build up my way up until 2,5ml/l C.flores and 2,5ml/l C.vega.
Don not stop feeding with N until the last 2/3 weeks of the plant´s life because I found that this sucker was furious in devouring N.
After the 5 or 6 week i feed it with pk13/14 twice with half dose

TNT why do you change to 14 hours during the 4 week? To control the stretch? I think you will have greater chances of getting hermies that way?

MinceMan, yes you can put plateaus for the plants to reach the tops of the other plants, but i would only level its tops when the seedlings were at least 3 weeks old in the flowering room. This is because the seedlings need more distance from the lights than the already mature plants you have going on the flowering room.
Dont worry about the males, you will recognize them much earlier than their pods will open with polen.

 

[MinceMan]

Thanx man and btw great grow man I think that if I had a smaller space constriction that I would just do the 12/12. Good Job

 

[TheEmperor]

Turtle said it right.
HID lights are still nothing compared to the power of the sun.
HIDS loose power exponencially and can illuminate well to 1 meter down, so, you want to take the maximum of what that bulb can offer you. Having a plant bigger than 1,50 m will make you have a higher leaf/steam to bud ratio, wasting more time and nuts for the final result that will be the cola and a hundred popcorn buds, though more time in trimming.

PS: hey turtle the sensi seeds indoormix i bought at alien had almost 0% germ! Are they seeling your shop old stock? F. them!

 

[theduder]

these were all grown from bagseed 12 / 12 i keep them small with low stress and smaller pots...fox farm soil/nutes 400 watt hps

grown in a c13 type cab










i got no complaints

 

[TheEmperor]

Nice job TheDuder! I guess after looking to those pics many people would like to grow bagseed right now, hehe.
What size pots did you used?

 

[WAMEN]

great job dude!!

congratulations...
cheers...
roll flag joints please...

 

[TNTBudSticker]

ganja guido.....

Most stay under 5 feet if flowered for 8-9 weeks...Since I have some LifeSavers F2 which the father ( F1) was shorter,I'm getting shorter plants in the 200 grams wet in hydro at 24 inches tall..The Mother F1 was 5 feet tall ( I'm saying F1 for now in this breeding program so you'll know who the mother is,,The Very First mother,Father into F2's)

The SourQueen F2 also had a shorter father and really time is tight these days that I'll give them to friends to ask them how tall they get,Also the F1 Mother was tall at 4.6 feet and the stinky stinky father was 2 feet

I must say that these Seeds were grown with tall Mothers and if kept at it,you can lower its heights to where you're happy..Just a shorter Father all it takes ( at least for me)

The 12/12 is a really good program,I recommend it..I get Most Females ALL the time... I have to tell you a little quick story... I had the last 2 SourQueen seeds cuz I lost 8 of them to drowning,germing with other seeds that are bigger,anyways...The last 2 SQ was Female and Male ! ..All Started at 12/12 ! I knew If I was careful and took care of the light,as in being easy on her,she'll become a lady.. low and behold! Female was showing sex from seed 12/12 at 23 days

TheEmperor.......... At 14 hours per day of light during it's growth phrase at the 4th-5th week with Co2 help builds up fat Mass and leaning the light back down to 13-14 off on the 8-9 week..The Co2 helps the plant turn on,Sort of like a octane booster ..some Budbooster lightly would help too

I sort of think doing something like Co2 4th-5th week is no more harm than a full moon beaming on the budtops..but I'm sure the Buds would be thinking of having LOTS of Co2 at that time and not hiding from a moonlight.. Plus, I use stable genetics.BOG and ReZ...I do have others but these are the 2 So far successful in this experiement

 

[TML16]

Nice work here 12/12 growers.
I have never personally tried this method, but I'm still rather new to growing. I have a seperate veg cab, but I like to keep the # of plants I have going low. 2 flower, 2 veg max. That's exactly what I have going now. I am pre-sexing my 2 vegging plants now and my harvest is in a few days. If both are female, they will be cloned and flowered. If both are male, I think I'm going to try this 12/12 from seed method. I'm a 250W personal grower so I like to keep them low for light penetration even though I have the vertical space. I also like to save power. Low wattage grow with maximum potential. My current Hempstar plant is 60cm(2ft) and it was vegged for 6 weeks. Looks like a 30-50 gram harvest so far. I'm growing 60cm plants anyways, this may be the method I need to use.

 

[TheEmperor]

another NLX bitch on 12/12, only ferted once 3 weeks ago, 10 liters container, 1 part perlit, 1 part verm, 1 part comercial soil.
Hope for 35/40g from this girl