Why is there so little seed stock?

I hope some breeder or seller can offer some insight as to why so many seed producers rarely have any stock? Its puzzling to me. I know the demand exists.

If you look across the seed banks,, many of the strains are empty and many have been for a long while. For instance, Cali - kush seeds from Seed B havent had seeds for years and others have had strains that went unavailable for years.

I wonder how this happens. I know the skills required to be a good breeder have zero relation to being able to run a business and I suspect that is the real problem because it doesn't seem to happen so much with the higher quality breeders like sensi or Paradise. Is it planning and management?

Perhaps some of you in the know can offer some insight into this phenomenon.

I would like to know aswell. Alot of strains have been out of stock since the summer

Well, the private breeders and the very small companies are in a different situation than the more well-established companies.....sometimes a variety is released in a limited edition format......sometimes your elite male dies or is confiscated by the authorities......sometimes YOU are confiscated by the authorities......

The one example you mentioned is rather ancient, and was probably left up in the Seed Vendor database just to preserve it for historical purposes.......you might not see that company again, so that's how some varieties increase in value......

I am no breeder, but i know this:

Every day I get down on my knees and pray for the brave souls who breed the Cannabis plant......these people risk everything for the preservation of genetic stocks for a medicine upon which many people depend......

Bless you brave souls, one and all!!!

kind regards from guineapig

I have noticed this for quite some time. Tired old genetics are all that are around. People want new stuff, but argue that the breeding process' are not good enough. The game certainly has changed since I first started growing. Clone hoarders are partly to blame. So afraid some one will water down something that never belonged to them in the first place. Imagine if this was the way it was in the beginning of the seed market, we wouldn't have what we have now. Face it Cali you guys/gals need to let these genetics out more.

Such a tired old story, I am growing my old seed stock now. Gonna run them all.

I would like to add that I am not trying to bash the Cali breeders/growers for having the new stock. I am just tired of the delusions that they are gonna be able to operate as a successful seed producer/provider for a global market while residing in the US. It hasn't worked so far and there is no miracle around the corner that is gonna change this. In the meantime the people that want them have to suffer trying to get a clone.

Hi everyone,

Gp, I couldn't agree more about the seed producers and I didn't mean to imply anything negative about them. They are great and I wouldn't have half of the happiness in my life if not for them. However, you would think they would try to adjust to those negative conditions. For example, why would you try to produce 20 strains and market them - doing a poor job of keeping stock or parents as opposed to doing a few that you would know you could maintain an supply. Serious seeds seems to follow this business plan rarely goes out of stock, whereas Reeferman seeds is the extreme example of a strain a minute mentality but never a strain that will stand the test of time and be available. Just my speculation though.

Hillbilly, right now I'm looking to buy some of that"same old genetics. Not much luck.

id be makin thousands of seeds ,every crop if i knew people wanted them
its just a case of finding the "perfect parents"
i think us "small time" growers could quite easily give the seed companys a run for there money if we decided to start releasing our own seeds

Small time growers could cut out the greed and the business from it all, and just share seedstock.

:Shocked: The implications of love and peace.

Gosh M@rg, I don't think I agree. First, I believe there is more skill involved than I have or to just dust the female with pollen, but also i suspect the breeders are able to grow out a larger population to select from. You can have a good result from home breeding but I think it takes some expertise and experience to produce top notch consistent, vigorous, potent strains. It might be you but it aint me.

Highest honors to breeders I say!

silverback- 99% of the strains available are f1's from single parent crosses. I guess that's the problem with the blackmarket though. But, most of these companies are in places where it's legal to sell seeds, so I don't really understand it

There's a few good companies though

I think a lot of the seed producers have gone out on their own.
Selling their seeds from their own websites.
What is lacking is a place for new growers to sell their seeds.

Times are indeed hard,,, Babylon be a prowling about,, and mans be getting dem doors busted down!

If you wanna lend a hand and show these dudes some support, buy up some of their most prized seed stocks now! Or at least spread the word on those making honest plants. Many breeders had a shit year last year and need real support!

This will help spread the genetics about between us growers (and help preserve them for the breeders perhaps),,, and the influx of cash will help the breeders re-invest in making more seed stocks quickly to meet demand!!

Jah bless all those who struggle daily to make a good thing!

Brownpants said:

What is lacking is a place for new growers to sell their seeds.

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Nish (boll**ks). Gypsy Nirvana will always sponsor/support new breeders* that have proven themselves capable of producing quality seeds!! This is one of the things that the chap does best! Jah bless

* growers and breeders aren't always the same thing :wink:

one love
dLeaf

HillBilly Green said:

Face it Cali you guys/gals need to let these genetics out more.

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Why? So many people talk shit on californians, than they beg for our genetics?

Genetics get around here in CA, to the righteous people, and just because we dont take huge risks to make a strain available worldwide does not mean that we are "hoarding genetics". Alot of the people I know that grow herb are of the older generations and have been growing for years as supplemental income. Mom and Pop type grows, who dont have the time nor energy to breed genetics. It is NOT their fault and it is surely not their responsibility.

tenfeetofganja said:

Why? So many people talk shit on californians, than they beg for our genetics?

Genetics get around here in CA, to the righteous people, and just because we dont take huge risks to make a strain available worldwide does not mean that we are "hoarding genetics". Alot of the people I know that grow herb are of the older generations and have been growing for years as supplemental income. Mom and Pop type grows, who dont have the time nor energy to breed genetics. It is NOT their fault and it is surely not their responsibility.

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seed genetics tend to make it further than the clones held by clone clubs do!

i n i nah be hating on the cali. crew blood,, many of the dank genetics we blaze down on this side of the Atlantic came from your side of the pond, sein brethren/sistren. respect

cannabis culture is a global happening

there are more varieties available today than anyone could grow in a lifetime.

As far as Femaleseeds.nl, the problem is political with the changing policies with new administration in Adam. Off their site:

Some Strains Sold out?
Many of you are waiting for new stock to arrive. And so have we..! It has not been easy, but thankfully we have some new arrivals which can
be expected in May this year. First arrivals will be Grapefruit, ICE and NL. Sadly enough Holland is not as liberal as it used to be and changed governements and changing attitudes make things a lot harder. Lets hope on a better future and thanks for the patience of you out there willing to wait. The Female Seeds Team/

Brownpants said:

What is lacking is a place for new growers to sell their seeds.

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Seedbay is a perfect example....there's information about how to become an authorized seller within the help/faq's on www.seedbay.com

Seedbay has had, for quite some time, a category for 'Untested' varieties which independent breeders (not yet known for their breeding results) utilize.

Thanks,
dg

I agree, and I don't think the problem is not a lack of ability for seed producers to sell their wares. Ive seen guys like JOEY seeds come out of know where based soley on the quality of his work. If the work is top notch the seeds will find a way out. Seed Botiques offer stands

To me, again it is the tendency of seed suppliers to try and have too many strains that they have no hope of being able to supply. Perhaps this is the place where banks like SB could be helpful becuase they have the ability to determine whether a company has any hope of supplying the seeds that they propose to supply. Ill bet if the banks had a policy that emphasised availability, you would see and improvement in availability. I'm guessing, (knowing absolutely nothing about it) , that if Gypsy told his suppliers that they could have all of the strains they wanted but only those they could keep supplied and allowing stock to deplet would be a deal breaker, he would get a response.

Just me talkin though. And about a topic I really know little about. I know a great deal about business management and that aspect seems lacking somewhat.

I think just maybe one of the reasons is that if they make everyone think they are selling out of all these seeds that they can drive the market up for seeds and therefore get more money.

Folks, folks... be realistic and think about the numbers for a second...

let's just say that 2,000-3,000 seeds might be had from one full size pollinated mother

seems like alot to many folks

but do the math - it is no more than 20-25 packs of 12 seeds each

20 packs of a strain could go on seedbay in a weekend -- one can only imagine that seedbo sells at a faster rate

(I went to seedbo long before I ordered from seedbay as I suspect most do)

Let's also consider that the breeder grew a plant that would normally have yielded 4 oz for commercial sale at around $300 per oz. - so the seed plant had a potential value (if it were sensi) of around $1,000 - 1,200 USD - most of that value is gone because the plant was used to make seeds - yes it could be run for hash or sold as shake - but even then it's probably not going to return $500 or half the value the plant would have given if sensi.

So let's just say that a loss of $500 of potential cash crop $$ is taken for each seed plant - and that produces 20 packs of seeds... so each pack starts at a base price of $25.

And that doesn't cover labor (you ever picked seeds from a sticky plant? - it is PITA and time consuming), advertising, packaging, and the biggest of all risk (i.e. funds for lawyer).

back to our 20 packs of seeds per plant... so that ain't much - let's say you have a medium size room and are able to run 20 plants - again seems like alot but that's still only 400 packs of seeds

and if Seedbo can sell 20 packs of a popular strain in a weekend... those 400 packs will be gone in a matter of a few months...

If the breeder had only the one strain to breed or multiple rooms they could in theory turn out another 400 packs within a flower cycle (assuming they were vegging clones while growing out the last crop).

but more than likely the breeder has a few strains or a hareem full (we all love cannabis and we all like the varieties of it as well )

so multiply this by a factor for each strain - then remember there are seed brokers other than seedbo/seedbay (although I for one don't know why people would use them...) so multiply this by a factor for each seed broker you have agreed to provide seed to.

Gets pretty overwhelming pretty quickly IMHO