Why is there so little seed stock?

[rebelweed]

you forgot a zero

 

[HillBilly Green]

I take back my cali comments. It would really be nice to see a seed project actually make it to the bay from the many that have tried from Cali.

It just gets kinda frustrating coming to this site only to hear about all the awesome genetics you guys have there in Cali. I mean that is all you see on this site anymore. It really gets old.

 

[Guest]

no worries hillbilly.............it's more hype than reality.........especially with the indoor scene..........

 

[JamesChong]

Well, I can only speak for myself. It's not easy at all. You got to have a place with enough room. Then you got to have the equipment. Then you got to find the genes. Whether it be clones or seeds. Then the growing of them and selection. Back crossing in crossing, whatever the project may be.

Then you got to worry about LEO and rippers. Then once you get the seeds all tested and finally harvested. You got to ship them out to vendor, IE Seedbay. The mail system can go a couple of ways. Your package could make it. It can also got found by postal people or LEO, or it can get lost. I sent in some seeds that went 6 months before they showed up. I resend more seeds and they made it in two weeks. So, there is the mail system.

Seeds count can be a problem also. Some of you members saying there isn't enough to go around. I agree with you, but it depends on the size of the setup. It does suck when there isn't enough, but it happens. I once had 3000 seeds to send out to Dutch back in 2004. Well I got a visit from the boys. Well, they nabbed the drying tray with all the seeds that where going to be mailed in. Shit, like that happens also. 3000 seeds was more then enough to go around for awhile.

Stuff happens, so I just wanted to say what I've seen and been through with my own crosses. It's not easy and your always wondering if something might go wrong. Well, just my view point on the subject.
Take care,
BG

EDIT: Just a few drying out.

 

[Guest]

Why? So many people talk shit on californians, than they beg for our genetics?

Genetics get around here in CA, to the righteous people, and just because we dont take huge risks to make a strain available worldwide does not mean that we are "hoarding genetics". Alot of the people I know that grow herb are of the older generations and have been growing for years as supplemental income. Mom and Pop type grows, who dont have the time nor energy to breed genetics. It is NOT their fault and it is surely not their responsibility.

to the righteous people? aka those who live in cali???
lol...you only make it worse for those who want to bash cali. People talk shit about Californians not because of the strains but that they think their superior to everyone else...they talk shit cause a kick ass strains like the D, are used and abused to corner the market (not hoarding, theres a difference) instead of sharing and helping others/patients out...no ones asking anything of them or telling them its their responsibility...they sit and hype a strain with nothing but $ in their eyes...oh they'll share it alright for the right price.

It sucks we all have to see the dumb greedy shit that surrounds what is now the the 'industry' of cannabis. Its business and I understand, but no where else in the world will you find the greediest 'attitudes' toward cannabis except in Cali. Good information comes from Cali but on the same level there is a lot of misinformation coming from Cali as well. Thats not speaking for everyone though... just the majority, I have gotten many cuts from kind poeple in Cali so I know it isn't everyone... Cali is cocky, and getting lost in a business world forgetting what the plant is, what it MEANS for some people. I mean... I give bud away to poeple who just want to be relaxed and I hear about the prices they charge actual patients...lmfao...do they have a sales rep in the chemo treatment section of the hospital?,,,I mean seriously did they need help rolling through the door and propin their oxygen tank while you guy raped them for 60$+ an eighth...

to break it down, for the most part: Cali + sick patients=$$$$$$$$$$$...and thats why poeple around here, like me at least, talk shit.

 

[Brownpants]

I like seedbay......I really do, don't get me wrong on that one, it is one of my favourite places.

It's just that there isn't any seeds being sold in the "untested category" and there usually isn't very many in the "private breeders" section either. When I made my comment I was thinking of the old site cbay and how many different new breeders and new seed varieties were being sold....it was like a farmers market for strains.

It might have just been the times, before all the conservatives came into power.

I have a question though, not trying to be negative or anything. But Why isn't seedbay attracting the newer breeders? Is it because of competition? Policy? Or is there simply not as many new breeders anymore?

 

[dkmonk]

I dont understand the attitudes of some people from California. We are all in this together, people need to get their head out of their ass and realize that we are all brothers and sisters that are fighting and risking our lives for the same cause, how could you then turn around and sell seeds and herb for ridiculous prices. To me it's all bullshit the cannabis community has been commercialized to hell and it makes me angry. This is what the media and America does to things that start out good.

True breeders that are growing for the cause would want everyone to grow their strain, because the more people who are growing the better. But for people to do this you cant charge hundreds of dollars for these so called elite genetics. I know if i worked hard for years i would want recognition but thats it just put my name on the label and I'm fine, not everything needs to be made into a get rich quick scheme.

 

[Dutchgrown]

There are currently MANY different varieties by MANY different independent sellers, and those still applying for their seller permissions (the ability to list up on the site)...the seeds which belong to independent sellers (on consignment) must be listed up by the seller...not by the SB cats...SB 'only' makes listings for inventory it owns (with the exception of annaC who the SB cats help out from time to time due to health reasons).

It is rather frustrating to see all these seeds at the bay....just sitting....and them not being listed up by the person who sent them in. Does no one any good.

Thanks,
dg

 

[Guest]

DG, you been through alot and with your mom healing you don't need more frustration. So to help you out, send me all those unlisted seeds and then you can deal with more important things. Just consider it my good deed for the day. lol

 

[Bubble Puppy]

I think a lot of the seed producers have gone out on their own.
Selling their seeds from their own websites.
What is lacking is a place for new growers to sell their seeds.

I would gladly pay for small time home growers seeds ,if they crossed strains i am interested in ,even without the years of breeding knowledge .

I'm sure many others would as well ,but the prices would have to be around $15-$30 a pack .

I'm doing seed runs of everything that comes my way ,for my own personal stock .But there are some very special ,hard to find ones ,i would love to do a big run on ,and share the seeds at a really low price .The other problem comes when you ," the small time grower " would like to produce seeds for sbay ,but you you would have to be very general about the genetics your using .Or ask permission not to piss anyone off.

I'd really like to get involved with the sbay seller process.Others should check it out as well.

 

[Guest]

Most of the stuff I have had from Cali is not that impressive. Either in clone or the rare seed. Kush this and Kush that and I doubt much of it has any REAL Kush origins that have not been dilluted. Puprs this and purps that and most of the purps is mediocre on potency. Just my experiences, and yes I know some folks that have set me up with damn near every overhyped Cali strain out there. Carded folks that pick up every new hyped up clone legally and then go on wondering why it was so hyped.

My complaint on the seed vendor end is that anything that has come from or through europe seed banks seems to have too much inbreeding and or too much indica (personal preference is little to no dutch indica lines). Heck, Reeferman used to be great because his stuff was so "different" and fresh out of the bush. Ace seeds and Canna Biogen seem to know the value of "out of the bush" breeding to provide vigour and unique characteristics. Sadly, I think Reef is on the outs because Canada went to hell when G W Bushes little but buddy took over.

Sorry, I feel a rant coming on. I guess I will conclude by saying thanks to all who make unique and non-dutch (boring/all the same) beans available.

 

[Guest]

Bush is almost gone Azeotrope, thank god. Both Hillary and Obama have said they support one's right to medicate.

JamesChong, your post was very enlightening.

DutchGrown has given us the answer to the question. Theres no stock because its all lying behind the counter at seedbay unmarked! Im lookin to buy boys, the green is burning my leg. Get those beans posted.

 

[JamesChong]

JamesChong, your post was very enlightening.

Don't know about enlightening, but just some of the things I've dealt with. Another thing I forgot to add. Getting large amount of seeds to Seedbay. Shipping them isn't easy in large amount and it isn't cheap.

For me, I enjoy seeing people grow out seeds I've made. It's a good feeling and makes me proud. Plus, I love hearing from people. Whether it be good or bad. Helps me with newer projects or to better a project in the works.

Another thing I like about seedbay. People like myself and others. Having seeds that aren't around anymore. Give's me and others. A chance to save the genes and then in turn share them with others. It's not easy, but it sure is fun.
Take care,
BG

 

[REZDOG]

I hope some breeder or seller can offer some insight as to why so many seed producers rarely have any stock?

Simple.
In many cases,demand simply outstrips supply.
Case in point; Reservoir Seeds.
I can never,ever fill the demand for seeds,no matter how many I produce.
If it was legal and sanctioned,there's No Limit to what I could get done. But it's not-where I've been for the past two years,it's tolerated,and I have had to deal with my limited vocabulary in the native language of the area,as well-just to get things Done that I couldn't have before I moved.
I work within the 'Elite/Heirloom' genepool,and there's a never-ending call (or scream) for these genetics. It takes me a long time to make combination/recombination selections,and I generally don't try to produce massive numbers of seeds,I just try to make good seeds.
One issue on my mind is that releases become 'instant classics' uopn becoming unavailable. Killer Apollo sat around,for sale,for a long time,gathering dust,but as soon as it sold out,it 'suddenly' became an 'instant classic'.
Funny,all those pees that lust after KA or SSSDH could have bought them easily,had they not procrastinated.
The William's Wonder IX-I is another one that people fail to appreciate,but when you can't get it any more,I assure you that it'll be one of the hottest clones you can get. Same with Double Strawberry Diesel. A one-shot,simply Killer Release that won't get mad props until ya can't get it no mo'. Imo it's some silliness,a bit of forethought could easily solve the issue.
When I heard,years back,that the Grimms were leaving,the first thing I did was bite the bullet and order up a shitload of their genetics that I didn't want to lose. It co$t me a bundle at the time,but I've reaped the rewards for years afterward.
Anyhow,that being said,I don't limit supply to keep demand high,I work in a small-batch,hi-quality Shop,and unless the EU frees some shit up,that's the way it's gonna' stay.

Cheers!

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

Quite a few serious players in the Breeders market have reported tough times in the Netherlands due to some crackdown, many seem to be moving to Spain and Portugal where the cops are very chilled and the authorities are rightly concerned with more pressing matters. England too is getting very chilled [sentencing wise] as the prisons are so full even murderers are getting bail ! one FoaF got a caution for 6x600W lights....

People jealously holding on to "special" genetics are not uniquely Californian, 2 London clones I love were very hard to get hold of and the Exodus Collective were mindbogglingly tight with the Original Cheese clone. For bloody years..... What made this even more annoying was the stuff was clearly stinking in their pockets and was lovely when you got a quick toke. Karma got them.....

Give it out people, you never know how handy it is when you NEED it back....

 

[HillBilly Green]

Revisiting this thread. I am liking what I am hearing .. somewhat. I honestly just want some diversity. I am so tired of hearing about elite genetics. It has gotten so bad that small breeders are not producing because they can't label them as elite. At least that is the way it appears to me. Don't get me wrong I want the "" elites to. But I want more than just elite now daze. I think another thing that makes it harder is the venues. I'll explain. I started with Seed Boutique then of course SeedBay. I know there are other vendors but I have trust for Gypsy never done me wrong. I just don't feel safe ordering from other vendors. I know we are never truly safe but I feel safer with Gypsy.

Just my

 

[Guest]

Rez, Dutchgrown, jameschong and others, I salute you and I appreciate your input into this conversation . I now have a different unnderstanding of what you might go through in trying to bring your fruits to market. Managing anything would become much more complicated with the law chasing after you.


My world is better because you guys are in it. Thankyou

 

[BlueMonk]

Great insight from some of the guys developing the seeds. It is a lot harder than I realized.

 

[Guest]

I just want to say that I think the genetics available today is simply amazing. 20 years ago if you dident know a grower slash breeder all you had to work with was bag seed.Today with a computer you can get damn near any thing you want. The only gripe I have is the germ rate of some of the seeds we get, exspecily stuff from soma,so let me say a great big thanks to guys like Rez that are intouch with what we want and give it to us at a very fair price. Belive me we got it made.

 

[Highlighter]

Hate to correct you, grizz, but 20 yrs ago I was buying genetics from the SSSC and Seed Bank, when these genetics were new, and not the tired things they've been reworked into today.
The 80's was a great time to be growing up until Operation Green Merchant in '89, a golden age for sure.